California museum brings gay, lesbian history out of archives

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Photo: Placards carried in the annual gay pride parade in West Hollywood, Calif., and a poster are on exhibit.
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“Liberal Patriot”

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Oct 18, 2008
 
Comments here ought to be interesting.

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Oct 18, 2008
 
This is wonderful, it may soon be as popular and famous as the Page Museum at the Tar Pits.

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Oct 18, 2008
 
It's amazing the people throughout history that have been closet-gay and lived famous, high profile lives. In ancient times, being married and taking a homosexual lover was expected. It's odd that in these "modern" times, being gay has been such a sin and aberration. Hopefully, we'll get through this religious hang-up and just be who we are, again. Organized religion really is the root of all evil, as evident with the fundamentalists especially, within ANY religion.

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Oct 18, 2008
 
ComeOn wrote:
I agree "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California." FOR GAYS, DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP DEVOID OF RELIGION IS THE ONLY WAY.
DON'T LET THEM TAKE YOUR RIGHTS AWAY, VOTE YES ON PROPOSITION 8!!
Wasting your time and money just like those that wanted slavery and women not to vote. This, too, will eventually be decided the same way. Right now, California has got is right with EQUAL RIGHTS!

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Oct 18, 2008
 
bill wrote:
Okama David from Lake Havashit City
I don't know what the intended message was from Bill or David, but Okama is a Japanese word for a homosexual man?

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Oct 18, 2008
 
PC Chavez

Like you say it is most likely a waist of time to fight this since it seems the majority of which you are a part disregard right and wrong.

And your contention of equating this to the same fight faced by Women and Black’s is a slap in their faces.

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Oct 18, 2008
 
TruettCollins wrote:
And your contention of equating this to the same fight faced by Women and Black’s is a slap in their faces.
Truett, all it takes is one loving relationship with a gay person, perhaps a member of your family, or a very good friend, to know that PC's comment was most definitely not a slap in anyone's face.

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Oct 18, 2008
 
TruettCollins wrote:
PC Chavez
Like you say it is most likely a waist of time to fight this since it seems the majority of which you are a part disregard right and wrong.
And your contention of equating this to the same fight faced by Women and Black’s is a slap in their faces.
No Truett, slavery and women's rights had to do with the exact same thing - EQUAL RIGHTS for every U.S. citizen, whether they were male, female, black or purple. It is also known as EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL. It is a U.S. constitutional matter just like slavery and women getting the vote were. And it will eventually be settled in the same manner.

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Oct 18, 2008
 
TruettCollins wrote:
PC Chavez
it seems the majority of which you are a part disregard right and wrong.
Oh, and those people were not in the majority when it came to giving women the vote or to free slaves. I don't believe the majority would vote for same sex marriage either.

But just like then, the U.S. Constitution trumps what the majority wants. That is why it is a waste of time and money for Proposition 8. It will be decided by the high courts, not by votes.

But if it takes California (once again) taking it all the way, so be it. At least it will be done with once and for all.

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Oct 18, 2008
 
PC Chavez wrote:
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Oh, and those people were not in the majority when it came to giving women the vote or to free slaves. I don't believe the majority would vote for same sex marriage either.
But just like then, the U.S. Constitution trumps what the majority wants. That is why it is a waste of time and money for Proposition 8. It will be decided by the high courts, not by votes.
But if it takes California (once again) taking it all the way, so be it. At least it will be done with once and for all.
I wouldn't say that the U.S. constitution "trumps" majority rule. The U.S. constitution, and in particular, the Bill of Rights, protects the minority from disenfranchisement by the majority. Minorities have rights no matter how big the lynch mob.

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PeterW Santa Fe wrote:
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Truett, all it takes is one loving relationship with a gay person, perhaps a member of your family, or a very good friend, to know that PC's comment was most definitely not a slap in anyone's face.
My best man at our wedding was gay, I have a gay nephew who I love very much, but to equate a choice with race or gender is wrong.......

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PC Chavez
You are equating something that one can not change, their race or their gender with a choice.

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TruettCollins wrote:
PC Chavez
You are equating something that one can not change, their race or their gender with a choice.
Maybe, maybe not. There are clearly two schools of thought on whether homosexuality is a matter of choice or a matter of genetics. Those that tend to believe in science, Darwinism, and genetics itself, tend to believe it is genetic. Those that believe in creationism, intelligent design, or fundamentalism, tend to think of homosexuality as a choice. There is no way to reach agreement on this issue any more than it is possible to convince some people that there was no world 7,000 years ago.

So the question remains, should your beliefs determine whether a person has fundamental constitutional rights? I think not. And, unless you believe that only your beliefs have validity, you should agree with me.

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My best man at our wedding was gay, I have a gay nephew who I love very much, but to equate a choice with race or gender is wrong.......
All of the scientific evidence that exists on this subject points to it being determined by genetics and by levels of certain hormones at certain times during fetal development in the womb. So, on what do you base your opinion that it is a choice?

And when did you choose to be straight?

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Steve van Dresser
"Maybe, maybe not. There are clearly two schools of thought on whether homosexuality is a matter of choice or a matter of genetics."
You leave out the third school. Those who follow the evidence that thousands of self proclaimed gays have latter in life turned around and choose not to be gay.
The Constitution should not be used in anyway to legislate morality. There are many "laws" on the books trying to legislate morality and these "laws" are ignored everyday. The Constitution should not be used to legislate what people believe and how they worship, but there are now countries where if a Minister reads certain passages of Scripture he can be jailed. That is where these so called laws are leading to.

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PeterW
Do a little study and you will find no scientific evidence that exists on this subject pointing to it being determined by genetics and by levels of certain hormones at certain times during fetal development in the womb.
I base my facts on the evidence of thousands of self proclaimed gays have latter in life turned around and choose not to be gay.
So, on what do you base your opinion that it is a choice?
And one does not have to choose to be normal.

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I have done a lot of study on this subject. Did you know that women who are under stress during pregnancy have children who turn out to be homosexual at a higher rate than normal? In fact, English women who lived in London during all the bombing of the Battle of Britain had homosexual children at TWICE the rate of normal. How would you explain that?

And what do you say about people who are born with male chromosomes but who have female genetalia, and those with female chromosomes but with male genetalia?

And lets pretend for a moment that it is a choice. What if the majority decided to be homosexual? Do you think that they should then have the right to prevent you from having the same rights that they enjoyed? Should they be allowed to prevent heterosexuals from having the right to marry?
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ComeOn wrote:
I agree "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California." FOR GAYS, DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP DEVOID OF RELIGION IS THE ONLY WAY.
DON'T LET THEM TAKE YOUR RIGHTS AWAY, VOTE YES ON PROPOSITION 8!!
I hate to break this to you but a religious ceremony is just that, a ceremony. It has no binding legal ramifications. When a heterosexual couple is married in the church they are only married LEGALLY if the person performing the marriage (priest, rabbi, whatever) is vested by the state to perform state sanctioned civil unions. Therefore, when marrying in a church, you receive a religious and a civil marriage simultaneously.

This is not true of Domestic Partnerships. They are separate but definately NOT EQUAL!

You said,
"Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California."

That is not true. The CA Supreme Court ruled in May of this year that EVERYONE has the same rights guaranteed by the Constitution! But it is the proponents of Proposition 8 that want to take those rights away from gay people. To write discrimination into their Constitution. Why? Why? Why? I have asked this a thousand times and I only hear, "Because it's wrong." I'm sorry, but I am just way too old for "because I said so!"

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Oct 18, 2008
 
TruettCollins wrote:
PC Chavez
You are equating something that one can not change, their race or their gender with a choice.
Truett, it does not matter what you or I equate this too. It does not matter if you or I even like the idea of same sex marriage.

This will be decided by the high courts just like slavery was, women getting the vote, etc., because it deals with equal rights for all U.S. citizens, whether you or I like it or not.

So, in my opinion, all these groups and churches (including my church) are wasting time and money on an issue that they can't keep from eventually happening. Instead, they should just use their money and time in helping the elderly and sick during these hard economic times we are going through. They are just throwing good money after bad.

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Oct 18, 2008
 
TruettCollins wrote:
PeterW
Do a little study and you will find no scientific evidence that exists on this subject pointing to it being determined by genetics and by levels of certain hormones at certain times during fetal development in the womb.
I base my facts on the evidence of thousands of self proclaimed gays have latter in life turned around and choose not to be gay.
So, on what do you base your opinion that it is a choice?
And one does not have to choose to be normal.
If you believe that there is no evidence on the genetic side of this issue, you are blind as well as ignorant.

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