'Double dippers' defend state jobs

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The dozens of retired government employees who have returned to work for six-figure incomes have become a symbol of resentment around the capital.

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Liz Lemon

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Mar 10, 2009
 

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DFA provides the following potential impact of changing the PERA RTW program on state
government:
Dissuading retired employees from returning to work would have a negative effect on the
efficiency of state government. By keeping these retirees from being rehired to do
certain work, the experience and knowledge these persons have gained in their careers
and making it unavailable to the state would be lost.
Further, some positions become difficult to hire for and retirees who wish to return to
work are often the only available candidates for these. The bill recognizes this in its
exceptions for certain police officers, but there are others as well. A good example
would be accountant positions. It is often difficult to find good, experienced accountants
who wish to work for government when the salaries are not commensurate with what
they might obtain in the private sector. Retirees are the perfect fit to fill such voids.
John Sanchez

Santa Fe, NM

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Mar 10, 2009
 
Liz Lemon wrote:
DFA provides the following potential impact of changing the PERA RTW program on state
government:
Dissuading retired employees from returning to work would have a negative effect on the
efficiency of state government. By keeping these retirees from being rehired to do
certain work, the experience and knowledge these persons have gained in their careers
and making it unavailable to the state would be lost.
Further, some positions become difficult to hire for and retirees who wish to return to
work are often the only available candidates for these. The bill recognizes this in its
exceptions for certain police officers, but there are others as well. A good example
would be accountant positions. It is often difficult to find good, experienced accountants
who wish to work for government when the salaries are not commensurate with what
they might obtain in the private sector. Retirees are the perfect fit to fill such voids.
Keep in mind that the DFA impact reports are generated from the perspective of the office of the executive (Gov Bill). Since the double dipper situation is something that has over-whelmed our current system, I am thinking that this perspective is biased and supports only one point of view. While many smaller local entities may have issues providing salaries to personnel such as accountants, they certianly do not have an issue giving city or county managers enormous salaries.

Double dippers in state government have only bottle-necked the career ladders of many state agencies. They are over paid and are making no contribution to the retirement fund while collecting pensions. The organizational and structural health of state government is suffering while these double dippers fill their bank accounts at the expense of the state and fellow state employees.
John Sanchez

Santa Fe, NM

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Mar 10, 2009
 
Keep in mind that many of the positions the double dippers fill are never advertised for, therefore, the admininstration cannot say they have made an effort to find qualified and educated individuals. Therefore, the statement that double dippers are the only available candidates is false and is a "policy statement" generated from the executive. I hope cities and counties do not emulate this type of behavior.
Michael Coluzzi

Santa Fe, NM

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Mar 10, 2009
 
Double dippers and administrations who believe these folks are invaluable are looking through rose colored eye glasses and the same time destroying the system. State and local governments are being prostituted and no one seems to be accountable.

“Shwing batta!”

Since: Dec 08

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#87
Mar 11, 2009
 
You sound a fool.Have you ever seen Austin Powers - Goldmember?

Please stop looking in the mirror when you discuss small wee-wees because it has made lots of us laugh at you.

If you think I kick dogs, please turn me in, cuz I don't have a dog, creep.

Concerned Citizen wrote:
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don't worry about it "present state employee".
you wrote just enough to understand how the state employment system works.
i think that 'chewy b' guy (at least i THINK it's a guy.. from the pic i can't really tell for sure) that was rude to you just has a small wee-wee..
he probably vents his frustration on everyone.
not only that, but he probably kicks his dog too.
so, don't worry about it!
:D
Dannite

Albuquerque, NM

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Mar 11, 2009
 
The problem is that now they are lookimg at it under a microscope and are making changes.
The only people that will be affected are the general run of the mill retirees. The money will still be there for the taking by the politicals hacks.
sparky

Espanola, NM

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So what happens should ths "invaluable employee" die?? I guess that agency will fall apart, since no one else can carry on. LOL
St Anger

Cedar Crest, NM

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Mar 11, 2009
 
If they want to double dip, then they should be required to re-start contributing to the PERA pool WITHOUT collecting retirement at the same time. Make a choice retire and claim a check, or go back into the system and contribute once more like the working folks do. Disagree because you put in your time and feel entitled?? Sorry, your just being greedy and hurting the younger generation from obtaining the skills and experience needed to contribute for the next 27.8 years. Don't bore us with your stale platitudes, you had your shot, now move on and give someone else a chance.

Since: Feb 09

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Mar 12, 2009
 
LYING THEIVES
Nancy L

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Well, if younger workers had the work ethic they seem to be lacking, maybe more would promote. Many of the double dippers have returned to fields like law enforcement where there is a huge number of openings that cannot be filled. Do you really want to lower the standards and start handing a gun and nadge to people who may not pass a background or psychological test? Carter Bundy is a fool for the comments he's made. I don't agree people should be allowed to retire and walk back in to the same exact job the next day. However, there are those areas that could use some exemptions.

Oh, and try dealing with PERA people. Talk to one staffer and get one line, then get another story from the next one. This agency needs a full blown investigation on its practices and inconsistencies. And, some of its people need to be let go. Maybe if they had some double dippers, work would be taken more seiously.
BLOOD ON HIS HANDS

Las Cruces, NM

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No reason to pay someone a six figure income for
State work - give us a break and double dippers
that retire draw retirement stipend and then
draw a full paycheck on new employment using the
skills they learned in their previous 20+ years of
experience.

Seems a big greedy to me - but then again most of
them are Dumb as Craps!
Dr Who

Aztec, NM

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Jun 7, 2010
 
Agreed
sparky wrote:
NOBODY is indispensable Ms. Griego. Why did you retire if you love your job soooooooo much?
Dr Who

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Jun 7, 2010
 
Good point
John Sanchez wrote:
Keep in mind that many of the positions the double dippers fill are never advertised for, therefore, the admininstration cannot say they have made an effort to find qualified and educated individuals. Therefore, the statement that double dippers are the only available candidates is false and is a "policy statement" generated from the executive. I hope cities and counties do not emulate this type of behavior.
Lowglow

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Jun 7, 2010
 
Wow, I did not know NM allows double dipping, most states have made this illegal years ago.
I know many people that have retired and taken up a secound job, only because thier retirement is so little, but to get a full retirement and a 6 figure income, at once is just wrong.
Marty Bell

Clovis, NM

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Those people who retired then returned to the very same job the next day should be dealt with. However, the public safety sector cannot find good hires and keep their ranks filled. Many have begged local retirees to come back just to keep running at a level that keeps communities safe.

The whole PERA argument is smoke and mirrors for bad management and economic trends. When the legislation passed, the law makers kept exemptions for themselves and their legislative workers, while elimintaing executive law enforcement exclusions. As well, someone needs to investigate the Varela connections to the agency, as family members keep revolving in and out as board members.

Now, communities will be hard pressed to find experienced and proven leadership to run their local police departments and will have to accept what they get resumes for or hire people from out of state. NM will lose training and experience taxpayers have already paid for.
KKD

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PERA is not a user friendly organization. Amazingly, they seem to forget who they work for.

I and several friends have dealt with staff there and they seem to make things up as they go along. I received advice while a friend of mine in the same situation was told something else. When they were presented with the law, they told us they are allowed to interpret however they want. This just doesn't seem right. They have too much control to exercise interpretation over people's lives. Who has oversight over them?
Amy Carlton

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What PERA's propaganda hasn't said is that there are people who were told they would be grandfathered in, who they are now telling will not because they aren't "really" return to work. They are excluding certain exempted employees. They also haven't been very forthright about poll workers. If I am a retired PERA employee and spend one day working on an election, I have to suspend my retirement. It seems the information sold to lawmakers wasn't entirely "upfront". The new law isn't doing ANYTHING to the retireee who "faked" retirement, but it is hurting some peple who followed the letter of the law and PERA is not letting the public be advised of that.
Victor J

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The news media and public did not ask enough questions or find out enough details on all this return to work legislation. "Double Dippers" drew the ire of the public over a few sensational cases where an employee retired on a Friday and came back to work on a Monday in the same job. What wasn't reported is that PERA itself must approve THOSE contracts. PERA was complicit in the whole scheme and nobody seemed to catch on to that. Why didn't they deny the contracts? Do they ever deny any contracts that pass their desks? WHO at PERA is charged with approving contracts? THEN, when public outcry was heard, they conveniently said double dippers were hurting the fund. In public documents, PERA's general counsel, Susan Pittard, was noted as saying double dippers do not impact the fund. Of course they don't because the fund is subsidized by money being paid in for those RTW jobs, but never being paid to those employees on whose behalf those contributions are made.

Just recently, PERA announced that the fund has improved by 24%. There are still double dippers, so if they are the reason the fund is suffering, why the improvement.

During the legislature, PERA couldn't even give an accurate number of return to work employees. The number kept changing. This should be a big clue that someone needs to step in and AUDIT what's occurring over there. Something's not right inside and the public has a right to know what that is.
leonardo

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Give other people a chance. You act as if you are the only ones who have certain job skills. You have your honker so far up the money crack that you do not want to see other people get ahead.---------

These overpaid , under worked overfed government employees are a joke to everyone that actually has to earn their paycheck.....If you have ever visited a government establishment you know what I am talking about.....

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