Editorial: Don't bring back the death...

Editorial: Don't bring back the death penalty

There are 61 comments on the Santa Fe New Mexican story from Nov 21, 2010, titled Editorial: Don't bring back the death penalty. In it, Santa Fe New Mexican reports that:

Even strong supporters of the death penalty for those convicted of heinous crimes are feeling queasy over the case of Claude Jones, executed in Texas 10 years ago but proclaiming his innocence to the end.

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Bedrock Bob

Santa Fe, NM

#23 Nov 22, 2010
new keed on da block wrote:
How about we just revert to the old vigilante system? We might get a few innocents along the way, but we'll damn sure get the guilty ones!
We would hold a better average if we played "spin the bottle". While most convicts are truly guilty of some offense they are often not guilty of the offense they are charged with. It is a game of inflation on the part of prosecutorw and a game of spin for the media.
SamD

Alamogordo, NM

#24 Nov 22, 2010
Bedrock Bob wrote:
As many times as our new governor elect has proseuted a completely innocent man, or taken a simple offense and inflated it to seem like a huge deal, I would doubt that we could carry out any executions without making some bad mistakes.
Please validate that statement
travis

Los Angeles, CA

#25 Nov 22, 2010
They all say they're innocent.

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#26 Nov 22, 2010
SamD wrote:
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Please validate that statement
Do not hold your breath for him to do so. it is impossible.
Condescending Libs

Ruidoso, NM

#27 Nov 22, 2010
I wonder if the number of death penalty supporters in this discussion is indicative of the overall population in New Mexico?

I think justice is denied when heinous crimes, such as murder, go lightly punished. It was a travesty that New Mexico abolished the death penalty. I'd like to see it reinstated.

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#28 Nov 22, 2010
Bedrock Bob wrote:
As many times as our new governor elect has proseuted a completely innocent man, or taken a simple offense and inflated it to seem like a huge deal, I would doubt that we could carry out any executions without making some bad mistakes.
I am 100% for the death penalty in certain cases and feel that it is needed in our society. But as corrupt as we have become I dont see how we could allow it without our overlords abusing it. They already abuse every conceivable angle to profit and to protect themselves. And Susana is a pro at manipulating public opinion and making people seem to be as they are not. It has served her well. If we allow the death penalty while allowing our leaders to be corrupt and greedy we will soon be slaves to our government under fear of death.
Already the right wingers are suggesting an "automatic death penalty" as in Cary's post, completely circumventing any due process. And of course ther eare the "kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out" people who support our overlords blindly as well. We are a nation on the verge of radical beliefs on both sides. As much as I believe in the need for capitol punishment I honestly dont believe we have leaders that are ethical nor responsible enough to use this without abuse.
Gee. You say "already" as if this "right winger" just thought this up. In reality, I've believed in what you call the "automatic death penalty" for decades now.

I'll reiterate: If three credible witnesses confirm that a person commits an act that results in the murder of an innocent, then the perp gets the death penalty, no appeals.

Your assertion that such a system cannot be set up within the confines or due process is disingenuous.

If you actually believe that the police and courts are already too unethical to operate such a system, then no system of justice is "just" to you.

Since: May 10

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#29 Nov 22, 2010
Bedrock Bob wrote:
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We would hold a better average if we played "spin the bottle". While most convicts are truly guilty of some offense they are often not guilty of the offense they are charged with. It is a game of inflation on the part of prosecutorw and a game of spin for the media.
What absolute and utter nonsense. You actually have the gall to blame the justice system for the sins of the criminal?

It is the epitome of liberal/progressive thought that on one hand, we should put all of our trust in big government Democrats, but on the other hand, we cannot trust government to carry out it's responsibilities in an honest manner.

Talk about an insane ideology.
Face it

Santa Fe, NM

#33 Nov 23, 2010
The civilized world gave up on state-sponsored murder years ago - only rogue nations practice it. Research has shown that it does not deter and it just adds to the level of violence in society.
masharubu

Carlsbad, NM

#34 Nov 23, 2010
This thread is a perfect example of what is wrong with the death penalty. The thirst for blood by most of the posters is palpable. The message that state-sponsored executions sends to society is that violence is the way to solve your problems.

"Civilized execution" is one of the largest oxymorons since "limited nuclear war".

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#35 Nov 23, 2010
Face it wrote:
The civilized world gave up on state-sponsored murder years ago - only rogue nations practice it. Research has shown that it does not deter and it just adds to the level of violence in society.
Prove it! There are just as many "studies" that show it does deter as shows that it does not.

Japan will be interested to know that it is a "rogue nation."
SamD

Alamogordo, NM

#36 Nov 23, 2010
masharubu wrote:
This thread is a perfect example of what is wrong with the death penalty. The thirst for blood by most of the posters is palpable. The message that state-sponsored executions sends to society is that violence is the way to solve your problems.
"Civilized execution" is one of the largest oxymorons since "limited nuclear war".
I think people with bald lips should educate train their brain to control their mouth.
It is obvious that you have never been involved in bloodshed or you would think otherwise.
you had

Santa Fe, NM

#37 Nov 23, 2010
Bill----- wrote:
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Japan will be interested to know that it is a "rogue nation."
to look hard to find even one modern democracy...
Need 2 Know

Carlsbad, NM

#38 Nov 23, 2010
Bill----- wrote:
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Prove it! There are just as many "studies" that show it does deter as shows that it does not.
Japan will be interested to know that it is a "rogue nation."
Does it really matter if it does or does not deter others from committing crimes? For the one convicted and put to death via the death penalty, it absolutely prevents recidivism!
LOL

Albuquerque, NM

#39 Nov 23, 2010
why wrote:
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would you do that to yourself, deputo? Another one of your kinky games?
VERY poor attempt at spin,****. But thanks for responding and setting yourself out as the one I am talking about. Now please sit still and stop squirming while I attach these electrodes. If you're nice, I'll even put a wet sponge on your head like they did in The Green Mile.
Al Reine

Albuquerque, NM

#41 Nov 23, 2010
Face it wrote:
The civilized world gave up on state-sponsored murder years ago - only rogue nations practice it. Research has shown that it does not deter and it just adds to the level of violence in society.
Nooo...the "civilized world" was taken over by bleeding heart elitist liberals who value ALL human life, even those that aren't worth a damn and destroy valuable human life. LIBERAL research from LIBERALK colleges and LIBERAL universities has NOTHING to do with real world situations. I don't give a **** if it deters violence or not. I want the ones who ARE violent REMOVED from the presence of society PERMANENTLY. THAT WILL reduce violence. Locking them up in prison cells just moves the violence to prisons.
Bedrock Bob

Santa Fe, NM

#42 Nov 23, 2010
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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What absolute and utter nonsense. You actually have the gall to blame the justice system for the sins of the criminal?
It is the epitome of liberal/progressive thought that on one hand, we should put all of our trust in big government Democrats, but on the other hand, we cannot trust government to carry out it's responsibilities in an honest manner.
Talk about an insane ideology.
I dont believe we should put any trust in big government whether it be Republican or Democrat. And no,we can not trust government to carry out its responsibilities in an honest manner. It makes no difference if they are Dem or Rep, both have proved they are corrupt. But this is not about partisan issues at all, it is about individual justice. SOmethgint hat is very rare in this country nowdays.
Quark

United States

#43 Nov 23, 2010
new keed on da block wrote:
How about we just revert to the old vigilante system? We might get a few innocents along the way, but we'll damn sure get the guilty ones!
Tell me then what separates the vigilantes from the gangs?
Quark

United States

#44 Nov 23, 2010
Al Reine wrote:
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Nooo...the "civilized world" was taken over by bleeding heart elitist liberals who value ALL human life, even those that aren't worth a damn and destroy valuable human life. LIBERAL research from LIBERALK colleges and LIBERAL universities has NOTHING to do with real world situations. I don't give a **** if it deters violence or not. I want the ones who ARE violent REMOVED from the presence of society PERMANENTLY. THAT WILL reduce violence. Locking them up in prison cells just moves the violence to prisons.
It's clear that we don't want YOU in charge! You would undoubtedly dispense the death penalty among liberals and save your conservative friends as cronies. What is wrong with valuing ALL human life? Certainly there are people who don't deserve to live, but in a civilized, Democratic (and I know you must hate that word) nation - a jury of one's peers gets to decide guilt and punishment.

If you want to live in a country where the death penalty is used frequently and where they don't value all human life, move to the middle east!
Bedrock Bob

Santa Fe, NM

#45 Nov 23, 2010
Quark wrote:
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It's clear that we don't want YOU in charge! You would undoubtedly dispense the death penalty among liberals and save your conservative friends as cronies. What is wrong with valuing ALL human life? Certainly there are people who don't deserve to live, but in a civilized, Democratic (and I know you must hate that word) nation - a jury of one's peers gets to decide guilt and punishment.
If you want to live in a country where the death penalty is used frequently and where they don't value all human life, move to the middle east!
Exactly! These goobers want to threaten and kill anyone who does not agree with their radical agenda. I have been given rights to assure that when they come to my door and attempt to force their will on me that I can defend myself. Guys like Al are all about posting their views on how I should behave but they lack the sack to make it real.
SamD

Alamogordo, NM

#46 Nov 23, 2010
Bedrock Bob wrote:
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I dont believe we should put any trust in big government whether it be Republican or Democrat. And no,we can not trust government to carry out its responsibilities in an honest manner. It makes no difference if they are Dem or Rep, both have proved they are corrupt. But this is not about partisan issues at all, it is about individual justice. SOmethgint hat is very rare in this country nowdays.
Bedrock Bob nails it!

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