Pojoaque Valley High School's mental health program at risk

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An impending loss of funding for the Natural Helpers suicide-prevention program at Pojoaque Valley High School would likely leave dozens of students in crisis with one less place to turn for help.

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Eddie the P

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Let's see here. That High School has an enrollemnt of less than 700 oe so.
Five kids a week" needing mental health services is almost a third of the enrollment! I ain't buying that!

"%0" of these pseudo-counselorsd running around looking for loonies? bad juju!

BUT....a $60,00 funding? Yup...sounds like there is where the real deal is...moeny, squandered on a "the sky is falling" scheme by the school!

If fully a third of the population is whacko, the school needs to shut down and we shouuld build a psycho hospital in its place!
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May 18, 2009
 
I am sure that the program is valuable. But if we want to extend it across the state -- why have it in only four schools?-- we have to figure out how to do if for less than 60K per school.

And frankly, once the program is up and running and the Helpers are training others, exactly why would it cost 60K per school?

Remember, the article identifies several state level professionals who can provide assistance to the Helpers on an occasional basis -- a "youth-issues" consultant and a state suicide prevention coordinator. And doesn't the school have a counselor or two?

And maybe the school has other needs -- like better math instruction. Right now what is the situation -- one in five graduates proficient in math according to our state tests? Or to put it differently, four out of five going out into the world NOT proficient in math??
R U Looney

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Eddie the P wrote:
Let's see here. That High School has an enrollemnt of less than 700 oe so.
Five kids a week" needing mental health services is almost a third of the enrollment! I ain't buying that!
"%0" of these pseudo-counselorsd running around looking for loonies? bad juju!
BUT....a $60,00 funding? Yup...sounds like there is where the real deal is...moeny, squandered on a "the sky is falling" scheme by the school!
If fully a third of the population is whacko, the school needs to shut down and we shouuld build a psycho hospital in its place!
You know folks not knowing the facts are so quick to criticize. It would be better you just kept your negative comments to yourself. If you're going to offer criticism why don't you work on making it constructive criticism. I can imagine there are students who go into a depression; you see around you the peer pressures that these kids have to face every day. There are some students at schools, not just Pojoaque, who make others feel that they are better than them. The taunting, name calling, bullying, intimidation that goes on gets to a point where it is unbearable. If a student complains about it to someone they are once again bullied and pushed around and made to feel like they aren't tough enough to handle the nastiness too many folks show. Most of the time these students that are bullies, are bullies out of insecurites that they themselves are feeling, but rather than seeking help that they may need, they turn their frustration and anger on to someone who they feel they can push around. So rather than offering all of your negativity, offer some comments to assist.
chatterbox87501

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May 18, 2009
 
I know of one PV student who killed herself.

One is too many.
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May 18, 2009
 
chatterbox87501 wrote:
I know of one PV student who killed herself.
One is too many.
Think about all the students in the other schools that are not reached by this program. Shouldn't we be concerned for them? Maybe we should think about how we can make this program affordable state-wide? Create an affordable model for nation-wide adoption?
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Eddie the P wrote:
Let's see here. That High School has an enrollemnt of less than 700 oe so.
Five kids a week" needing mental health services is almost a third of the enrollment! I ain't buying that!
"%0" of these pseudo-counselorsd running around looking for loonies? bad juju!
BUT....a $60,00 funding? Yup...sounds like there is where the real deal is...moeny, squandered on a "the sky is falling" scheme by the school!
If fully a third of the population is whacko, the school needs to shut down and we shouuld build a psycho hospital in its place!
MR. ENIS you are wrong
Thank you pojoaque schools for taking the reins this program is outstanding. As a Parent i think grades are extreemly important but suicide prevention is also a problem ESPECIALLY in larger city schools Ill support a program that keeps kids alive and stable over a program that keeps up state scores any day.
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chatterbox87501 wrote:
I know of one PV student who killed herself.
One is too many.
And Where are the PARENTS!!!!!!!!
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May 18, 2009
 
R U Looney wrote:
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You know folks not knowing the facts are so quick to criticize. It would be better you just kept your negative comments to yourself. If you're going to offer criticism why don't you work on making it constructive criticism.
Ok, you say I don't have facts, but you don't offer any that would show me where I am mistaken.

You ask for constructive criticism, so:
Here it is: Pick 1 or 2

1. If you want to spend $60,000 per year on this program: hire a licensed professional counselor with a masters in psychology, counseling, or social work who would train the volunteers, and provide professional backup counseling and referral to the at-risk students.

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2. If you want to spend considerably less, have a small budget for annual training of the new volunteers and have a teacher or counselor take on supervision of this as a part-time responsibility.

That is constructive criticism and you are welcome.

You are welcome.
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May 19, 2009
 
Having a mental health program in P-Valley is enormously important given the extremely high levels of drug use in Norther NM. 4 generations of family all on heroin is not unheard of. Add adolescence, poor mentoring, and it's a recipe for trouble. Which Northern New Mexico has more than enough of due to the influence of cartels, the prevalence of drugs and drug money, and the continuing disintegration of community. And it ain't all happenin' on the Rez.

You don't think watching your parents, relatives, fan friends do meth, crack, heroin and booze would make a kid depressed?
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Doinky wrote:
Having a mental health program in P-Valley is enormously important given the extremely high levels of drug use in Norther NM. 4 generations of family all on heroin is not unheard of. Add adolescence, poor mentoring, and it's a recipe for trouble. Which Northern New Mexico has more than enough of due to the influence of cartels, the prevalence of drugs and drug money, and the continuing disintegration of community. And it ain't all happenin' on the Rez.
You don't think watching your parents, relatives, fan friends do meth, crack, heroin and booze would make a kid depressed?
Agreed wholeheartedly. That is why it is so important to have a well-qualified licensed masters-level professional in the position. A well-meaning amateur could do a lot of harm.
Pojoaque Graduate

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"%0" of these pseudo-counselorsd running around looking for loonies? bad juju!If fully a third of the population is whacko, the school needs to shut down and we shouuld build a psycho hospital in its place!"

This is why society is as messed up as it is; people like you. You are rude, inconsiderate, and naive. Suicidal people, especially youth, are NOT "wacko" they are simply in need of help. Who are you to judge before knowing their circumstances? The whole point of the program, is for peers to reach out to peers. I understand how people assume that the only solution would be a well- qualified mental heath professional, but how many depressed and/or suicidal teens reach out to counselors? Not many. How many reach out to friends? Exactly. And when those friends are trained, that's how lives are saved. Reaching out, from a students perspective, is not rocket science. It doesn't require a degree. All it takes is the ability to recognize the warning signs, a willingness to listen, and a knowledge of the resources available. Only when a student is willing to seek help, will a professional be helpful. The Natural Helpers program makes this possible, I've witnessed the result, first-hand, and I am proud of what it has accomplished.
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Eddie the P wrote:
Let's see here. That High School has an enrollemnt of less than 700 oe so.
Five kids a week" needing mental health services is almost a third of the enrollment! I ain't buying that!
"%0" of these pseudo-counselorsd running around looking for loonies? bad juju!
BUT....a $60,00 funding? Yup...sounds like there is where the real deal is...moeny, squandered on a "the sky is falling" scheme by the school!
If fully a third of the population is whacko, the school needs to shut down and we shouuld build a psycho hospital in its place!
I know of two doctors who went to school there. Pojuaque HS is not the problem, Espanola's ties to drug cartels via Tijerina is the problem. Pojuaque proves the locals are not the problems, the local's ties to Tijerina and mexico and the family's dependency on the drugs they bring in, that is the problem. The program helps remedy the kid's having to grow up there. It helps, not hurts.

PHS turns out stellar graduates every year.

This is a case of nurture, not nature, fer sure!
Jo Robbins

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Mar 9, 2012
 
I think a suicide-prevention program could cater to depression patients as well as they are more prone to suicide. Especially due to the side effects of Paxil which causes suicidal behavior among adolescent users, suicide has become a menace to society. See: http://www.paxilbirthdefectlaw.com/paxil-side...

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