Geronimo's bones, Skull and Bones; the legend lives

The bones of famed Apache warrior Geronimo may return to his southwestern New Mexico home as the result of a lawsuit filed by his great-grandson, Harlyn Geronimo. Full Story
Jim Guest MPLS MN

Minneapolis, MN

#1 Mar 23, 2009
I have been following this story with interest, and support your attempts for full disclosure of the facts, and the return of Geronimo's remains to their rightful place and home.
Agreed

AOL

#2 Mar 23, 2009
I wonder if the Bush family, Geo. W,included, felt that somehow being in the proximity to Geromino's bones would impart a quality of bravery in them vicariously that they've never been able to display in their own lifes.

Geronimo wasn't a draft dodger.

"Increasing the interest in the Geronimo story is the tie to three generations of the Bush family. Prescott Bush reportedly was one of the Skull and Bones members who stole Geronimo's skull and bones from his Fort Sill grave. Bush's son and grandson, who each became president, also were members of that secret society and haven't been willing to shed any light on the situation."
New Mexico Photographer

Rio Rancho, NM

#3 Mar 23, 2009
During the past month, Apache leaders have made clear they do NOT support Harlyn Geronimo's campaign to relocate Geronimo's remains. They also dismissed the Skull & Bones legend as a joke. The family of Geronimo's son Robert (the largest number of direct descendants), stated they are strongly opposed to Harlyn's campaign to disturb their ancestor's grave and plan legal action against the move. Traditional Apaches believe graves should never be disturbed and many have expressed disagreement with Harlyn's cause.(Check other Topix threads) Most Apaches, it appears, believe that disturbing Geronimo's grave would be a serious desecration.

Geronimo is buried in a well-maintained sanctified Apache cemetery where tribal members are still being buried. His grave is surrounded by at least nine family members and many fellow warriors and friends. His grave was topped with a large monument in his honor in 1931.

So, I'm curious why people believe his remains should be dug up and moved to a remote tourist spot chosen by a controversial descendant who does not have the support of the Apache people.
New Mexico Photographer

Albuquerque, NM

#4 Mar 24, 2009
The Skull & Bones debate proves that people will believe whatever they please no matter how far-fetched the details.
In 1918 Geronimo was still one of the most famous men in the world. If his nine-year-old grave had been dug up, someone would have noticed. The military or Apache visitors to the cemetery would have reported a vandalism. Yet there is no record the grave was ever disturbed.
The only "evidence" is that Skull & Bones members had a skull they "called" Geronimo, and a melodramatic letter describing the grave robbery was discovered in club archives. The letter is written in a florid and macabre Edgar Allen Poe style. It describes a late night grave robbery during a dramatic thunder and lightning storm straight out of a horror movie. It describes Geronimo's grave as a nightmarish stone tomb with clanging iron doors. Yet Geronimo's was a conventional ground burial.
I'm flabbergasted anyone would believe as gospel this frat boy nonsense. The whole deal is more like a Hardy Boys or Our Gang Halloween episode. It is hardly credible. Would we believe anything else Skull & Bones members claim? Why are we so eager to believe this macabre tall tale?
Jeff Houser, president of the Ft. Sill Apache, dismisses the legend as a joke. Most Geronimo family members won't even comment on the childish story. It is beneath their dignity.
Just My Opinion

Albuquerque, NM

#5 Mar 25, 2009
This is family business & should be left up to the MAJORITY of the family members.
In Santa Fe

Los Alamos, NM

#6 Mar 25, 2009
Agreed wrote:
I wonder if the Bush family, Geo. W,included, felt that somehow being in the proximity to Geromino's bones would impart a quality of bravery in them vicariously that they've never been able to display in their own lifes.
Geronimo wasn't a draft dodger.
"Increasing the interest in the Geronimo story is the tie to three generations of the Bush family. Prescott Bush reportedly was one of the Skull and Bones members who stole Geronimo's skull and bones from his Fort Sill grave. Bush's son and grandson, who each became president, also were members of that secret society and haven't been willing to shed any light on the situation."
If it had worked,Obama would have already moved there!
chesly

Whiteriver, AZ

#7 Apr 3, 2009
gello
chesly simson

Whiteriver, AZ

#8 Apr 3, 2009
hello
chesly simson

Whiteriver, AZ

#9 Apr 3, 2009
what is your real name?
Laughing

Dallas, TX

#10 Apr 3, 2009
Agreed wrote:
I wonder if the Bush family, Geo. W,included, felt that somehow being in the proximity to Geromino's bones would impart a quality of bravery in them vicariously that they've never been able to display in their own lifes.
Geronimo wasn't a draft dodger.
"Increasing the interest in the Geronimo story is the tie to three generations of the Bush family. Prescott Bush reportedly was one of the Skull and Bones members who stole Geronimo's skull and bones from his Fort Sill grave. Bush's son and grandson, who each became president, also were members of that secret society and haven't been willing to shed any light on the situation."
You must be a democrat--I dont remember anyone saying that the Bush family is guilty of moving Geronimo to Yale..If you check history the skull and bones society claimed the bones to be Geronimo long before W was even born. Good grief Bush is gone, it is time to stop bashing.
Well

Santa Fe, NM

#11 Apr 3, 2009
Laughing wrote:
<quoted text>You must be a democrat--I dont remember anyone saying that the Bush family is guilty of moving Geronimo to Yale..If you check history the skull and bones society claimed the bones to be Geronimo long before W was even born. Good grief Bush is gone, it is time to stop bashing.
use you google - there are plenty of stories linking Prescott to the deed. I don't necessarily believe that S&B has these remains, but it is not a story that originated here.
New Mexico Photographer

Albuquerque, NM

#12 Apr 3, 2009
I can see it now: Prescott Bush and John Belushi in Toga costumes digging away. Years later, Spanky & Alfalfa tell new club inductees about the daring grave robbery as Buckwheat's eyes grow huge from fright. It was a dark & stormy night...

This story is as credible as a Munsters episode. Better yet, the Adams Family. Maybe Puglsy and Uncle Fester helped Ol' Prescott open Geronimo's tomb.

So what if GOOGLE is loaded with stories about the Skull & Bones legend? Does that make it true? GOOGLE is also loaded with stories portraying Harlyn Geronimo as THE spokesman for the entire Geronimo family and the Apache people. That's nonsense, too.
I was

Santa Fe, NM

#13 Apr 3, 2009
New Mexico Photographer wrote:
So what if GOOGLE is loaded with stories about the Skull & Bones legend? Does that make it true? GOOGLE is also loaded with stories portraying Harlyn Geronimo as THE spokesman for the entire Geronimo family and the Apache people. That's nonsense, too.
not addressing the veracity of the claim, just responding to this assertion:

"You must be a democrat--I dont remember anyone saying that the Bush family is guilty of moving Geronimo to Yale"

I think it is a bunch of hooey , too.
New Mexico Photographer

Albuquerque, NM

#14 Apr 3, 2009
I've never met Harlyn Geronimo and no longer care for the opportunity. His actions over the past year have caused me to lose respect for him. I've been aware for years of the hot contempt many Geronimo direct-descendants and Mescalero community members harbor towards him, which I admit has colored my skepticism. But I've also read extended interviews with him that have given me the impression he is articulate and reasonably credible.

However, I just watched a recent ten minute Youtube film of him that turned me off completely. Every bio of Harlyn describes him as an actor, and I'm concluding maybe that's all he is. Someone pretending to be something he is not. In the film he plays to the hilt a New Age Native American shaman cliche. Argh. His performance reminds me of the "Native" con artists I encounter regularly in Santa Fe. Rather than the familiar Apache cowboy, he now has long Hollywood Native American hair, Apache head scarf, and traditional Apache shirt. That's all perfectly respectable in my book. No problem. But he now speaks in this affected New Age fantasy "spiritual" style straight out of central casting. His mumble jumble about unhappy spirits, etc., makes me wince. Is he simply playing a role white outsiders want to hear? I dunno... I'm no expert. But I feel like we're being played for suckers by a skilled con man.

If any members of the Mescalero community think I'm wrong and that Harlyn is the real deal, please let me know. I'm just trying to get it all figured out...
Apache

Whitehouse Station, NJ

#15 Apr 4, 2009
Just My Opinion wrote:
This is family business & should be left up to the MAJORITY of the family members.
Yes! Thank you for getting to the heart of the matter here.
Kelvin cole

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