Motorcyclist dies on N.M. 599

Motorcyclist dies on N.M. 599

There are 150 comments on the The Santa Fe New Mexican story from Sep 15, 2009, titled Motorcyclist dies on N.M. 599. In it, The Santa Fe New Mexican reports that:

An Illinois man died Tuesday when his motorcycle collided head-on with a van on the bypass west of Santa Fe.

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Cavalryman

Santa Fe, NM

#45 Sep 15, 2009
# 38...while you have a point to be considered, if you read what I wrote (#35), that pretty much settles it.

I WAS there. I DID see it unfold before my eyes. It was the classic, "Deadman's left turn"...the #1 killer of motorcyclists.

The results of this accident are the same whether it was "intentional" or not. The driver did not shoot the cyclist point blank...she turned in front of him "point blank".

He was going very close to the speed limit.

As I said, I WAS there. I DID witness it.
Khal Spencer

Los Alamos, NM

#47 Sep 15, 2009
P_Katz wrote:
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Um, you're the one who chose to ride on a skimpy, unprotected metal frame attached to a powerful engine. How is this MY problem?
I watch out for bikers, and bicyclists too for that matter. But when one of them pulls an idiot move and gets hit, all of their friends start screaming that it's the car's fault. Sorry, but you're the one who took the risk in the first place.
I am glad you watch out for others. That is the best one can do.

Unfortunately, the "you're the one who took the risk..." is the attitude that creates a nation of Hummer drivers. Those who drive in or ride on a small vehicle are blamed for "taking a risk". Rather than blaming small vehicle owners for "taking risks" we should be holding large vehicle owners responsible for imposing risks.

God didn't bring us into this world wrapped in an SUV. Yeah, I agree that those who abuse "crotch rockets" or small cars have to take responsibility for what happens to them. But there is no evidence from the posts here that the motorcyclist was misbehaving. Just in the wrong place at the wrong time when someone failed at their vehicle operation. Sadly.
Rob N

Gulfport, MS

#48 Sep 15, 2009
1. NM has the highest number of motorcycles per capita in the nation
2.#1 cause of accidents is a car turning left in front of an oncoming motorcycle
3. Failure to yield and an accident causing death is a crime...and that criminal shouild be hauled away to jail and held until prosecution!
There are no excuses here....a left turning car, failing to yield, failing to "see" the bike, and colliding is claer....the car was at fault!
avid rider

Puyallup, WA

#49 Sep 15, 2009
I agree Rob N - Thank you!
men at work

Angel Fire, NM

#50 Sep 15, 2009
it doesn't matter what your drivin. i drive a trash truck and on my way back 2 my route, some **** lady pulled out in front of me stmikes. she was coming from llano st and she had the red light i had green light but its ok he can stop for me i'm on the cellphone and i don't see the red light. if i was going 5 mph faster at40 mph the speed limit, she would have become road kill. we would have been serving her at chinese resturant. everybody better get hook on phonics learn how to read and go back to driving school. and don't open up the cracker jack box and get ur lisence out.
Hunter

Santa Fe, NM

#51 Sep 15, 2009
If this lady had been drinking, they would say it was another alcohol related death and throw the book at her, her bartender, her beer seller, and anyone else they could place blame on but since she was apparently sober, - stupid maybe, but sober, they'll say she just made a mistake and let her off with a slap on the wrist. I think they should make an example of this woman and lock her up.
Local

Los Alamos, NM

#53 Sep 15, 2009
Seen it before wrote:
I agree, a man dies because another distracted woman driving a vehicle she can't control pulls out in front of him. I'm guessing she was on her cell phone at the time.
You are a ****! So if had been a man driving the SUV it would have been ok? FYI I drive a F350 pick up and am 5 ft tall and a woman...I can control my vehicle - don't put all women in large vehicles in the same category, jerk!
Struck

Albuquerque, NM

#54 Sep 15, 2009
What an awesome peanut-gallery! Two great suggestions(Flashing lights/witness-to-media input), a few condolences, and the usual anti-social trolls.
Such a proud and unified community to witness. Perhaps we could hold ourselves to higher standards yet...
It's amazing to lurk here daily and witness human nature in it's raw form. There are always those looking to blame; in this case, variously: the driver, the rider, the city, the laws of physics, etc.
Every issue seems to be grounds for hate and vilification.
Let us use this miracle of technology to elevate ouselves to the mutuality of Humanity, as opposed to a 21st century means for mud-slinging.
1) An avoidable tragedy occurred.
2) How can we use this event as a vehicle to advance our society, such that this was not pointless?
3) There is no blame.
Highway 599

Albuquerque, NM

#55 Sep 15, 2009
is a death trap for any Santa Fean who wants to travel it. The point is: regardless if your driving the speed limit of 55, you are going to have reckless driver's on this highway. Apparently, the sheriff department cannot assign many deputies to catch these nuts and they need help from the state police and motors transport to catch them too!
The NM Highway Department needs to reconsider closing many of these avenues that lead into the primary highway or built overpasses to avoid these type of fatalities. They also need to reduce the speed limit to 35 miles an hour and enforce it. This highway is dangerous and every politican knows it. Place the popular photo cameras that catch speeders like they have along the freeways in Phoneix and watch our county build a hefty chunk of funds to pay for more deputies on the street. And I bet the speeders will not be driving over 75 in a 55 mile zone either if they get caught on camera.
vato loco

United States

#56 Sep 15, 2009
They didn't name this highway byway "Memorial Highway" for nothing. Que mal engineers they nikle! RIP fellow biker!

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#58 Sep 15, 2009
Motorcyclists need to be defensive drivers too. If you are one, you know that many times automobile drivers just don't see you even if they stop and look both ways. There have been many times that I have made a turn onto a highway after stopping and looking both ways several times, only to suddenly see a motocyclist in my rear view mirror. I wonder where they came from. I can only assume they must have been travelling at a high rate of speed.

Since: Dec 08

Denver, CO

#59 Sep 15, 2009
Bad things for everyone. I always assume the person in the vehicle does not see me.
Sad deal!!!
Old Stamm Home

Santa Fe, NM

#60 Sep 15, 2009
Well Lets see, first there is a woman at fault, she drives a van. Then we need more police at these intersections....never mind the murders in town. How about those old codgers trying to play easy rider. 50+ re-action time has to be right up there. Then lets see who, else is at fault, perhaps our govenor, he was in NM at the time. Come on folks s*** happens.

Sad that there is another traffic fatality, but that is the risk we all take on all roads every day.

Quit waving the fingers to place blame....maybe we all should be more careful and drive our lives depend on it. Your family and friends will thank you.
Lucia Valdez

Santa Fe, NM

#61 Sep 15, 2009
Individuals turning at intersections, whether male or female, must look twice to see a motorcycle headed their way. A MC is about three feet wide with rider, a car is eight feet across. If the MC did not have lights it fades into the surrounding scenery. When I took the MC Safety Course, they taught us to expect that drivers would turn in front of us,period. MC visability is very low,that's why the headlights stay on. The lady might have looked left, didn't see a MC and the motorcyclists trusted her not to turn, she did, he's dead. MC are very hard to see, I know I ride a MC and more then one occasion someone has turned in front of me. As far as the roads surrounding Aldea, Las Campanas, La Tierra and Tano, it's the autoban. Check accident reports there, check quotas of speeding tickets.
I work there every other day, it's dangerous. Police, never too be seen. NEVER to be seen. With all the BMW's Mercedes Benz and Austin Healeys, it's a wonder more pople don't die, no cops, no tickets. Might as well not spend money on speed limit signs. Someone should do a documentary on that area.
Lady E in Santa Fe

Florence, AL

#62 Sep 15, 2009
Ricegrinder Supreme wrote:
I am the most handsome man alive...
and I happen to know that my chiseled features don't stand a chance against the hard pavement, therefore I wear helmets to keep my face beautiful. I also wear a bright orange coat to make sure other beautiful people see me. However... at 55+MPH, no amount of fiberglass, kevlar, metal, leather, styrofoam, latex or muscle mass could have saved the Harleyero from this.
Cyclists need to be aware of everything around them, it's not JUST up to car drivers to be careful. Just because your tailpipes aren't muffled, it doesn't make you indestructible.
O please take off your helmet now so that I can see your beautiful face. I need to see a beautiful face. As you know, this town has nothing but ugly faces and I need to see a pretty one, it's been too long. Thank You.
Shite

Los Lunas, NM

#63 Sep 15, 2009
Have you stopped to think that the people with the most amount of money have to pay for everything that they use as well as everything that the poor people use as well? You should be thankful you're not forced to ride a Burro around town!
Mark wrote:
Well goes to show where the State's priorities are. In the well-off neighborhoods around Tano Road and Las Campanas, NM 599 gets fancy overpasses, but the rest of us commoners off of West Alameda and by Agua Fria Village have to dodge traffic going 75 MPH with ordinary stop signs. The entire bypass should have overpasses to help curtail high-speed collisions on this highway.
SIMPLY

Los Lunas, NM

#64 Sep 15, 2009
STFU.
Struck wrote:
What an awesome peanut-gallery! Two great suggestions(Flashing lights/witness-to-media input), a few condolences, and the usual anti-social trolls.
Such a proud and unified community to witness. Perhaps we could hold ourselves to higher standards yet...
It's amazing to lurk here daily and witness human nature in it's raw form. There are always those looking to blame; in this case, variously: the driver, the rider, the city, the laws of physics, etc.
Every issue seems to be grounds for hate and vilification.
Let us use this miracle of technology to elevate ouselves to the mutuality of Humanity, as opposed to a 21st century means for mud-slinging.
1) An avoidable tragedy occurred.
2) How can we use this event as a vehicle to advance our society, such that this was not pointless?
3) There is no blame.
Oh Effen Please

Albuquerque, NM

#66 Sep 15, 2009
White Rows wrote:
<quoted text>
Your comment does little to unify humanity even if it were a laudable goal. Humanity otherwise excels in its grand diversity without your hasty efforts to homogenize an entire species.
There is no blame? THERE IS NO BLAME?
That statement is contrary to the standards of civil society you seem so eager to promote. A driver is responsible for their actions behind the wheel. A driver may properly be held liable -- and blamed -- for casualties arising from their irresponsibility. Failure to yield right of way is irresponsible, no matter how white, middle-class or otherwise "one of us" the offending driver might be. Drivers who kill other drivers can be blamed in court, and in the press, for the death. If not, we would all be liable for libel claims. We're not. I blame the driver who killed the motorcyclist for taking a man's life.
Thank you White rows! Ultimately it is the operator of the item that can cause injury to others responsibility. PERIOD. Idiots like Pkatz irresponsible comments about someone putting themselves in harms way are part of the problem...you can bet if a car ran over that beautiful child in his profile pic he or she would be screaming for justice...as would I. We are responsible for our actions when they affect others..there is no responsibility in merely being at the scene of a tradgedy
hey fargin genius

Albuquerque, NM

#67 Sep 15, 2009
P_Katz wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course you have a right to do whatever you want. But if you choose to make yourself vulnerable, it's a risk YOU chose for yourself, not one that I chose for you.
So at what point does it become your responsibility for someone else killing or injuring you??
If someone shoots you at night I guess that's your fault too for being out ...after all everyone knows that's dangerous. Must be your own fault for flying somewhere if there's a crash because history shows us that airplanes can crash therefore you "chose to put yourself in a vulnerable situation"
I read about a guy being electricuted by a faulty wired power tool ...of course power tools are dangerous...shouldn't use them, you know...Don't be such a heartless brainless fool...THINK! pay attention!Maybe even save a life by doing so...
Alleycat

United States

#68 Sep 15, 2009
People....look at the facts. With what I've read about people passing by and seeing the accident. Did we look at the problem, and did we come up with a solution. Just part of the problem. Lady turns left in front of motorcycle. HELLO....there's your problem. Not because he wasn't wearing a helmet or a seat belt. Right! No because the poor innocent lady made a mistake. I'm sure she wasn't trying to kill him. Maybe she was busy doing something else....we don't know the facts yet. But the point is a helmet would not have helped him. So why don't people that don't ride motorcycles, SHUT UP. That's our RIGHT. It's only one of the few we have left. If you want to get a ride on a motorcycle or drive it. Use your on CHOICE. Don't try to choose for us. Just like a lawyer defending someone they know is guilty....looking for a WAY OUT. Just change the subject.

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