California could adopt national English, math standards

disabuser wrote:

So does the state testing system which is based upon California's existing standards have to be reworked and what are the implications in that?

Not just that--all standards-based textbooks would have to be replaced.

Pat Kittle wrote:

Come on, let's stop pretending we don't know what happened to California's once exemplary educational system, back before the illegal alien problem became a catastrophe.
What our educational system needs is to adopt Arizona's SB-1070.
Of course I'll be called a nazi for stating the obvious, but those who play their nazi card demonstrate their abysmal reasoning ability.
Which brings us back to my original point.

C'mon Pat, you will not be called a "Nazi", you will be called a "Neo-Nazi". Gotta get the terminology right.

You have to wave red-white-black flags to be a "Nazi", but you only have to disagree with the Religion of Political Correctness to be a "Neo-Nazi".

And don't forget that PC Orthodoxy also reserves the right to call you a "racist", "hater" and "supremacist" if you DARE to disagree with their religious dogmas.

I din not mean to make this stupid error, but I am a product of local schools, and have learned to let the writing program catch my mistakes.

Obama, believe it or not, appears to embrace the concepts I believe will make the USA a great nation. Nationalism...high taxes, more government control of the lives of its citizens...will lead to a great nation of which we can, for the first time, be proud.
Yes we can. Yes we can.

Yes, their has to be a lot of good inside Obama because I have yet to see any come out of him.

Forty fifth wrote:

The biggest single problem is California schools are more concerned with indoctrination and social control than with teaching critical reasoning skills, logic, math and science.

Is this because ...

1. Not everyone forced into these schools is CAPABLE of "critical reasoning skills, logic, etc..." at the same level; but

2. The school funding process requires warm non-prone bodies in classrooms to get money, and

3. The Religion of Equality prohibits separating "work track" from "higher learning track" students; which leads to ....

4. Filling class time with indoctrination and social control stuff to make the public think "education" is in progress .....????

Mary wrote:

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BINGO!!!
You've cut to the core of the problem.
Education is dumbed down and is little more
than a tool for political indoctrination.
The drain on resources by the children of illegals
doesn't help things either.

This is precisely what the advocates of Dewey's thinking planned. Locally that is courtesy of the Social Engineering Dept. at UCSC, which includes the Education and Teacher Training programs which PRE-SELECTED people for their stated desire to become "Agents of Social Change". Others need not apply.

When you allow alien revolutionaries to create the next generation of teachers, you lose your society.

Rodolfo wrote:

I think test scores would improve if students were taught in their native languages.

I agree. And they CAN be taught in their native languages rather easily.

Just ask them to return to their native countries.

Problem solved!

Ann Chorbaby wrote:

Schools worked perfectly in CA when kids were held back if the din not perform to grade level. Now, not so much. Go with any European model, and we will again educate our children.
Also...lose the ridiculous, decades-long drivel about math and science. Teach them at least two foreign languages, basic Latin and Greek classical culture and language, art, music and literature. Enlightened kids will be happier for life, and will be naturally curious about, yes, math and science.
And...before I forget; teach them rigorous respect for the precise usage of English.

Ann: YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES. I wish I could add 10 "light bulbs" to your post.

But there is a problem. Your suggestions will never be enacted without first utterly demolishing the PC "Education" establishment. The establishment has been too corrupted by neo-marxist social engineering ideology, and it actually hates any idea of education as you describe it. This is the sad thing about this situation.

The only way for individual parents to solve the problem is to LEAVE the system and educate at home. I don't even know if any private schools adhere to your suggested curriculum.

anneshirley wrote:

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The new standards won't help this. They will require English teachers to focus on texts that have no room for critical thinking, analysis, or debate.
Can you imagine how engaging a repair manual is when read out of context?

A manual could be pathetically boring - or could be made relevant - depending on the manual itself. AND, if they really want to be accurate the manual should be written by someone who's native language is other than English, as most of our product manuals need some level of skill to try to decipher the instructions.

My students had some fantastic English teachers as well as some that needed to find a new profession (but had tenure). The lousy ones need all the guidance and structure we can provide, including standards and expectations.

I feel hate, prejudice, and bigotry in this forum. Just tear down the Statue of Liberty while you're at it.

rigor mortis wrote:

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A manual could be pathetically boring - or could be made relevant - depending on the manual itself. AND, if they really want to be accurate the manual should be written by someone who's native language is other than English, as most of our product manuals need some level of skill to try to decipher the instructions.
My students had some fantastic English teachers as well as some that needed to find a new profession (but had tenure). The lousy ones need all the guidance and structure we can provide, including standards and expectations.

I agree, but different standards won't change anything. We will just end up spending a lot of money so people can believe "something is being done".
We need to completely change the way teachers are evaluated and trained.

Rodolfo wrote:

I feel hate, prejudice, and bigotry in this forum. Just tear down the Statue of Liberty while you're at it.

That is because you are full of hate, prejudice and bigotry. Yours is the only post that is hateful.

Try again.

anneshirley wrote:

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We need to completely change the way teachers are evaluated and trained.

And removed if necessary. The tenure system we have now is terribly outdated and ineffective.

From the Fordham ratings:
"California’s standards are clearer, more thorough, and easier to read than the Common Core standards. The essential content is grouped more logically, so that standards addressing inextricably linked characteristics, such as themes in literary texts, can be found together rather than spread across strands. In addition, the California standards treat both literary and non-literary texts in systematic detail, addressing the specific genres, sub-genres, and characteristics of both text types. California’s standards for logic, writing applications, and oral presentations are also more detailed than those of the Common Core."

Someone told me that 95% of teachers in this area are liberal!! Is this true? If so that could be part of the problem as well.

rigor mortis wrote:

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And removed if necessary. The tenure system we have now is terribly outdated and ineffective.

Here
http://www.aft.org/pdfs/americaneducator/summ...

Elias wrote:

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That is because you are full of hate, prejudice and bigotry. Yours is the only post that is hateful.
Try again.

Mexico and it's pro-liberty stance welcomes you with open arms, if it's just so awful for you to live in the U.S. and can't take it that the majority of this country's population is so strongly in favor of what you're so strongly against. Why delay your bliss? Go today!

disabuser wrote:

So does the state testing system which is based upon California's existing standards have to be reworked and what are the implications in that?

Yes, and remember, the adoption of national core common standards is required to qualify to apply for the Race to the Top competitive grant funds. That means that should California fully adopt the common standards, the entire testing apparatus, and with it, CALPADS, the student data system would require overhaul. All of this so that the states application for one-time grant funds would be considered. Should the state win a spot in the "Race", the net would be @$50.00 per student; in other words this rush to qualify will result in increased on-going central administrative costs to our schools.

California's standards already exceed the proposed national standards, as do those in Massachusetts.

in SC County wrote:

Someone told me that 95% of teachers in this area are liberal!! Is this true? If so that could be part of the problem as well.

You've been misinformed. More than 95% of public school teachers are liberal. That is a problem here.

Rodolfo wrote:

I feel hate, prejudice, and bigotry in this forum. Just tear down the Statue of Liberty while you're at it.

Rudolfo uses the slur-words "hate, prejudice and bigotry".

Those words are always used by anti-Whites when the Diverse White People of America refuse to just die or get out of the way when under attack by invaders and occupiers.

"Why won't those White People just submit to Genocide by Assimilation, dammit! They're haters."