Libertarian official is registered se...

Libertarian official is registered sex offender

There are 77 comments on the San Bernardino County Sun story from Nov 6, 2009, titled Libertarian official is registered sex offender. In it, San Bernardino County Sun reports that:

When members of the San Bernardino County Libertarian Party elected Matthew Barnes as the group's vice chairman for 2010, they knew he was a registered sex offender.

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PrayerAngel

Victorville, CA

#62 Nov 13, 2009
LibertyFelix: I stand by my comment previously posted....It looks like Mr. Barnes was the one doing the "PREYING." The fact that he is still required to register as a sex offender speaks volumes because he could have gone back into court a long time ago and petitioned for that requirement to be removed and his record expunged...the fact that he hasn't or perhaps tried and failed also speaks volumes...

BTW, I do pray...thank you very much....probably not for the things or people to your liking though...LOL
PpET

Covina, CA

#63 Nov 17, 2009
Thisguy wrote:
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I'm am a close friend of Matt. There was no rape involved here. Just poor judgment and underage girls hanging out while pretending to be of age. Christianity has nothing to do with this. Allowing a man who has helped a political party becoming a fast growing entity in this area to hold office does not endanger anybodies children. People make mistakes. Get off your high horse.
You have obviously been lied to. As one of the people who saw the file (available at the LA County Archives building) when the CA State LP was looking into this issue, I can tell you that there were no girls and no pretending to be of age.

Matt Barnes molested Boy Scouts as an assistant Scout Master.

Besides, look at the charge on his Megans Law entry: Lewd and Lascivious with a Child UNDER 14. That doesn't mean "14 or less", it means "13 or less". I've seen my share of people, and I have NEVER seen a 13 year old girl who could pass for 18. What you are parroting back is, if I'm not mistaken, the lie he was telling the ExCom before the file was finally retrieved, no? Let me assure you, Barnes is no friend of yours and no ally of the Party.

For the vast majority of people who aren't privy to the inner workings of the State LP, Matt Barnes was forced to resign from the State Party back in October after his indiscretions became known to them. This was prior to the elections held in the SBLP that are here discussed. That Chair Darr claims he was unaware is yet another lie. That it is a lie designed to protect this scum only damns their organization further.
PpET

Covina, CA

#64 Nov 17, 2009
Jeremiah Price wrote:
A little common sense should enter in here. This "crime" was committed between a 19 year old and a 14 year old. How many readers have more than 5 years between their age and that of their partners? Interesting to note that the facts of the case were not in this story. Easy to smear people that way! Before I judge this man I want to know the story. Too many kids being made into criminals by laws that never intended that.
Jeremiah
The crime was NOT committed by a 19 year old upon a 14 year old, it was committed, by definition, upon someone 13 or younger. As someone who has reviewed his file, I can authoritatively state that his oldest victim was 12. There were 3.

His file also indicates a long history of sexual abuse, including his nephew, and contains the following quote: "Mr. Barnes considers himself a pedophile. He believes the inclination to molest children will probably always be present in his subconsious mind."

It seems you have also forgotten what a difference 5 years makes in ones maturity between 13 and 18. We are not talking about 45 dating 40, or 25 dating 20. We are talking about the difference between someone old enough to join the military, and someone barely old enough for people to agree on what they should be told in Sex Ed.
AmeriCAN

United States

#65 Nov 18, 2009
PpET wrote:
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The crime was NOT committed by a 19 year old upon a 14 year old, it was committed, by definition, upon someone 13 or younger. As someone who has reviewed his file, I can authoritatively state that his oldest victim was 12. There were 3.
His file also indicates a long history of sexual abuse, including his nephew, and contains the following quote: "Mr. Barnes considers himself a pedophile. He believes the inclination to molest children will probably always be present in his subconsious mind."
It seems you have also forgotten what a difference 5 years makes in ones maturity between 13 and 18. We are not talking about 45 dating 40, or 25 dating 20. We are talking about the difference between someone old enough to join the military, and someone barely old enough for people to agree on what they should be told in Sex Ed.
Agree. This guy trying to justify this? WOW. He is the kind of person that will probably let his 12 yr old date his own friends. Hopefull he has no kids.

Since: Jun 08

Thailand

#66 Nov 18, 2009
PpET wrote:
The crime was NOT committed by a 19 year old upon a 14 year old, it was committed, by definition, upon someone 13 or younger. As someone who has reviewed his file, I can authoritatively state that his oldest victim was 12. There were 3.
You can do this authoritatively? By what authority? Who are you and why do you care about Barnes' file? How did you acquire access to his file?
PpET wrote:
His file also indicates a long history of sexual abuse, including his nephew, and contains the following quote: "Mr. Barnes considers himself a pedophile. He believes the inclination to molest children will probably always be present in his subconsious mind."
Who are you quoting? It's certainly not Barnes. It's some unnamed investigator who may have accurately summarized what Barnes said - or maybe not so accurately.

The fact remains that Barnes has not been charged with having committed any crime since 1987. That doesn't make him innocent during that time but that could be said of any other person in the United States. Barnes has supposedly uncontrollable sexual impulses - that he has been able to control. Silliness.
PpET

Covina, CA

#67 Nov 18, 2009
Stanley Engel wrote:
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You can do this authoritatively? By what authority? Who are you and why do you care about Barnes' file? How did you acquire access to his file?
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Who are you quoting? It's certainly not Barnes. It's some unnamed investigator who may have accurately summarized what Barnes said - or maybe not so accurately.
The fact remains that Barnes has not been charged with having committed any crime since 1987. That doesn't make him innocent during that time but that could be said of any other person in the United States. Barnes has supposedly uncontrollable sexual impulses - that he has been able to control. Silliness.
The file is available for public viewing at 222 N. Hill St, room 212. Take the elevator down to the basement and follow the arrows. Before you enter there is a desk whereat you fill out a form requesting the file you wish to view. You will likely need to hound a middle-aged Asian clerk who is prone to assuming that simply because they haven't gotten around to re-filing the folder, that it is "missing". If so, simply tell him, or his supervisor, that you would like a physical check performed. The file number is GAO14071. They will be happy to make a copy for you. The entire 52-page report will cost you around $25.

The quote is from a psychological evaluation contained within the report, performed by Dee Shafer, Ph.D.

My interest in Barnes is in that I was one of several Party members who recieved a mass mailing from one Edward D. I took it upon myself to investigate the information myself - unlike some people on this thread - as I had at one point been closely associated with the monster and needed to know what was what instead of taking his word at face value and sticking my head in the sand.

Go wipe the egg off your face before replying.
Read the court file

United States

#68 Dec 21, 2009
Thisguy wrote:
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I'm am a close friend of Matt. There was no rape involved here. Just poor judgment and underage girls hanging out while pretending to be of age. Christianity has nothing to do with this. Allowing a man who has helped a political party becoming a fast growing entity in this area to hold office does not endanger anybodies children. People make mistakes. Get off your high horse.
Liar. It was three boys, all under 14, and he was in a position of leadership as a scout master, and the three counts he pled to were erduced from the 6 counts he was charged with, which occurred over a six-year period! Darr lied, too since he knew about the case before Barnes was re-elected. San Bernardino LP is a blackshirted cult, and frankly, it does NOT reflect the rest of the LP at any level, just that local group.
Bruce Cohen

United States

#69 Dec 28, 2009
Thisguy wrote:
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I'm am a close friend of Matt. There was no rape involved here. Just poor judgment and underage girls hanging out while pretending to be of age. Christianity has nothing to do with this. Allowing a man who has helped a political party becoming a fast growing entity in this area to hold office does not endanger anybodies children. People make mistakes. Get off your high horse.
There certainly was rape here, you lunatic. Matt raped multiple young boys. Three of them, serially. When he was their Scoutmaster. He raped his younger relatives, too. I also was told by someone who read his court documents that he told the court he was incurable. While Mister Barnes cover remained in place, he visited people's homes and associated with their children. In private. I really don't think his Parole Officer would approve. As I understand it, there is NOTHING to do with girls pretending to be of age, it's all very young and innocent boys he had power and status over.
Debra Dedmon

Las Vegas, NV

#70 Dec 28, 2009
I cannot believe the SB CA LP is keeping him on . Starchild there is a huge difference between legalizing prostitution and thinking its ok for an adult to rape a 12 yr old . My god in heaven **** is wrong with the San Benardino LP?? he is and always will be a child predator . Remove him fro any position and prevent him from coming to meetings at all!
Fact Check

La Puente, CA

#71 Dec 29, 2009
Read the court file wrote:
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scout master
A "Junior Assistant Scoutmaster" as the court document states (pg 6) is not a Scoutmaster but it is a youth leadership position. According to the Junior Leader Handbook 1992 Printing a Junior Assistant Scoutmaster "must be at least 16 years old and not yet 18." In addition the Junior Assistant Scoutmaster is "appointed by the Scoutmaster." I find it interesting that in the same sentence you correct a fact but then perpetuate a lie.
Read the court file wrote:
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Darr lied, too since he knew about the case before Barnes was re-elected.
Mr. Darr has stated at the meeting that he was intentionally vague on his statements to the reporter who started an interview about the hugely successful SoCal LP Conference but then ambushed him with an interview about Mr. Barnes election. Mr. Darr stated that he felt it showed a lack of respect in not being up front or affording Mr. Darr an opportunity to make an official statement but instead being ambushed while he was Holiday shopping. So Mr. Darr did not offer the reporter the type of interview he might have received if he had shown Mr. Darr greater respect. Hence the reporter took the statement that Mr. Darr's "investigation in the matter was still in progress" to mean what he reported as opposed to receiving a more detailed account.

Since: Jun 08

Bangkok, Thailand

#72 Dec 29, 2009
Debra Dedmon wrote:
I cannot believe the SB CA LP is keeping him on . Starchild there is a huge difference between legalizing prostitution and thinking its ok for an adult to rape a 12 yr old . My god in heaven **** is wrong with the San Benardino LP?? he is and always will be a child predator . Remove him fro any position and prevent him from coming to meetings at all!
It was a politically stupid move for the San Bernardino County Libertarian Party to elect Matthew Barnes as the group's vice chairman. That is not the same thing as "thinking its ok for an adult to rape a 12 yr old." Your saying that it is amounts to a deliberate falsehood on your part.

The Libertarian Party has been a joke for many years and I expect that trend to continue into the future. The election of Barnes will not help its ambitions (whatever they are) to even the slightest degree. However, in no way has the Libertarian Party countenanced child rape. Barnes committed his crimes 22 years ago, when he was 19. He has apparently not been charged with any crime since then. If his desires are uncontrollable, as you suggest, he somehow controlled them very well for the last two decades.
Paul Darr

La Puente, CA

#73 Dec 30, 2009
Actually Fact Check since you can't see the article I was quoted as saying in the Daily Bulletin:

"The members of the party that voted for him,
they voted for him knowing he had completed his
time and his punishment and didn't want to hold
that against him," said Paul Darr

While that was some what paraphrased from my complete statement that gets the idea across. So the individual that called me a liar is just spreading libel about me and I take great offense to being called a liar.
Nope

Covina, CA

#74 Jan 3, 2010
Paul Darr wrote:
Actually Fact Check since you can't see the article I was quoted as saying in the Daily Bulletin:
"The members of the party that voted for him,
they voted for him knowing he had completed his
time and his punishment and didn't want to hold
that against him," said Paul Darr
While that was some what paraphrased from my complete statement that gets the idea across. So the individual that called me a liar is just spreading libel about me and I take great offense to being called a liar.
The part where you lied (or, perhaps more charitably) were misquoted/paraphrased/misinter preted is where you said you did not have the details of the case before the election. And I quote: "Darr said he did not know details of the crimes."

Yes you did. You had your own personal copy of the case file about a week before the meeting where Barnes was re-elected.

Now, I suppose you could have failed to look at it because you were so busy, but since that was a rather important lot of information considering the circumstances, that would be hard to believe.

So to clarify: Did the paper misquote you on that point, and you did in fact have the details of the case and still re-elected Barnes as an officer, or did they quote you correctly in saying that you did not have the information when in fact you did?
Clarity

Covina, CA

#75 Jan 3, 2010
Bruce, calm down. The charges were "lewd and lascivious conduct" with children under 14, not rape, not penetration. We know they were 11 and 12 and they were boy scouts under his leadership. Calling it rape plays on emotion, misstates the actual facts and muddies the waters. What we need here is some clarity.

Fact: He was in an adult leadership role, and yes, 18 is adult as surely as 11 or 12 is not.

Fact: He took advantage of situations where these boys were reliant on him (camping trips) to abuse them.

Fact: It was not a single occurrence but six counts stretched over a period of a year and a half. Prior to that, he had molested other boys including his own nephew and was unsuccessfully treated by a psychologist.

Fact: He self-identifies as a pedophile in his psych evaluation and says the urge to reoffend will always be there.

Fact: He served 3 years for these crimes and was released by the parole board. So yes, he served his time, albeit some folks might not consider it adequate. Still, according to the state, he's done with it.

Fact: He has not been charged or convicted of anything more serious than a speeding ticket since. Speculating that this only means he hasn't been caught again muddies the waters.

But you know, all of this would have almost no bearing on his ability to be a contributing member of the party or even in a reasonably constrained role of leadership (one not including involvement with minors, for example) except...

Except that he LIED to pretty much everyone about this and even threatened them. He lied to members of the San Bernardino party, he lied to the state leadership, he threatened anyone who looked into the facts of the case with being put on his "enemies list," and he even lied to his own wife about the nature of the crimes for the whole of their relationship, even while she went to visit him in prison for it.

The lies are the issue, people, not the crime itself. Had he come clean about it right away, I doubt any action would have been taken against him. But no, he instead covered up, even tried to BLAME HIS VICTIMS by suggesting that it was someone who misrepresented "her" age to him or represented it as homosexual experimentation to the GLBT members to buy himself their sympathy, made himself out to be a victim of the system to garner the support of Libertarians who want to believe the system is always wrong...

In short, he played you like a pipe, those of you who find yourselves trying to defend him. THAT is the crime here, folks, not some dusty old pedophilia charges from 20 years ago, and that is why he should not have been reelected as vice chair nor allowed to continue in any leadership position in the party.
Bruce Cohen

United States

#76 Jan 9, 2010
Well 'Clarity', I post under my REAL name, why don't you. As far as you correcting me, my understanding is that he DID rape the young boy scouts, and there were MORE than three.

Have you ever heard of a plea bargain?

Yeah, Mister Barnes got a DEAL. A SUPER deal.
The charges were reduced and so were the counts.

That's my understanding of the facts, from many sources, including people who used to be his bud.

It sounds like you might still be fooled by Mister Barnes.

And, I did 'tell you so'.
I told everyone that would listen that there was something wrong with the guy.

It was a big scandal at the 2006 Convention.(I think it was 2006) when I refused to shake his hand and told him off in front of everyone.

Norm 'Worm' Westwell and Kevin Takenaga, among others, were busy telling folks how mean I was and how they should support Matthew.

They cultivated and embraced him, and his cult of scroungy, poorly groomed and unkempt followers to the 'Alive Free Happy' cult.

Check Matthew's FaceBook page to see him with the cult in unform.
Clarity

Covina, CA

#77 Jan 31, 2010
Cohen, it would help if you read what I wrote. I mentioned six counts, not 3. He did plea bargain down to three. There were 4 boys who pressed charges, he was convicted of molesting only 3 of them. I've read the file. Carefully. Apparently far more carefully than you've read my post.

The charge is NOT RAPE, and accusing him of rape could be considered libel. Not to put too fine a point on it, he did not hold down little boys kicking and screaming and do anatomically dangerous things to them for his own sexual gratification. HE DID NOT RAPE THEM. He fondled them. That doesn't make the charge any less heinous, but it is more accurate. Accuracy is important here.

If you read in my statement that I support him, you are mistaken. Quite mistaken. I understand the California Lib Party judicial committee has voted to reinstate his membership in the state party after the executive committee voted him out. I find this mind boggling. So no, I do not support him. I do, however, support judging this from a factual rather than an emotional basis.

In my post, I simply delineated the facts, of which you are apparently either unaware or dismissive. The facts are the issue, Cohen.
Bruce Cohen

United States

#78 Jan 31, 2010
Clarity, I think you might just be BH, but no matter. I thank you whoever you are for sharing your opinions.

According to the court file, Mister Mattew Barnes of the California Libertarian Party was not convicted of raping children uner the 'legal' definintion of "rape".

My opinion is anything like this is de facto rape, even though it doesn't meet the legal defenition of rape under the law.

Mister Matthew Barnes, now the recently elected Vice Chair of the San Bernardino Branch of the Libertarian Party of California continues to be around minors in unsupervised settings and appears to be a danger to the community.

Whil you and others play semantical games, I wonder what his Parole Officer would say of him being in a position of influence around minors, especially in his role as an elected offician of the Libertarian Party of California.

Even though it doesn't meet the technical legal definition of "rape" this seems to be pretty horrible and I think the parents of the children might just call it 'rape' when they talk about it.

I'm just saying.

In the meantime, given Matthew Barnes reputation as a Board Member of the Libertarian Party of California, one would think Libertarian members of the Libertarian Party would be unhappy that he had the handicap of havins some limits to his participation in Libertarian events when Libertarians were getting together with other Libertarians to do Libertarian things.

Convicted Child Molesters who have sought and successfully completed treatment should still not have unlimited and unfettered access to minors.

Vice Chairman Matthew Barnes of the Libertarian Party of California's San Bernardino County affiliat does not seem to have completed this kind of rehabilitation and I would be curious if other Libertarians and libertarians and Libertarian Party members are curious about if this did, in fact happen.

Pardon me for misusing the term 'rape', when it was just statutory fondling with him climaxing.
In the plea bargain.

I wonder what the young men, now grown up, would say about Matthew Barnes, statutorily fondling them to get his sex crime conviction?

Would they call it rape?
I sure hope not,'cause if they did, we should shout them down and correct 'em.

I stand corrected.

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