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Orange County leaders late Thursday approved a $1.1 billion plan for a new arena, performing-arts center and major Florida Citrus Bowl upgrades in downtown Orlando that supporters vowed would bring boundless ...

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To be Frank

Orlando, FL

#1 Jul 27, 2007
"Moore said the venues plan did not do enough to ensure Parramore residents of a better economic future"

Sure it does. Parramore is one of the highest crime areas in the Downtown area. The amount of money these locals will make on the items they fence from breaking into cars and the wallets they steal will make a brighter economic future for sure. At least the Bail Bondsmen and Tow-truck operators will benefit from all this.
Black Morpheus

Mount Dora, FL

#2 Jul 27, 2007
I hate it when I have to say "I told you so".
A "D&C on the Public Treasury.

!50 Public parking spaces for 18,500 seats at the Midget ghetto Arena.

How smart is that ?!
Good for Orlando

Ocoee, FL

#3 Jul 27, 2007
This is great news!
GreenJeans

San Antonio, TX

#4 Jul 27, 2007
Thank goodness they had sense enough to put amendments on such as eco friendly buildings. Nice to get local gymnasiums too. Spread to love.
Tim

Orlando, FL

#5 Jul 27, 2007
Excellent job by all involved. This is a great investment in our future! More on the downtown blog:
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/community_do...
Stepheno3_Orland o

Orlando, FL

#6 Jul 27, 2007
"The brass ring is here; let's grab it," Segal said.This really should be "The total con job on the public is here;let's grab it." That is the way that it should read. I think perhaps the biggest public venue in USA history shoved down the throats of the people without a public Vote: Totally amazing!
Stepheno3_Orland o

Orlando, FL

#7 Jul 27, 2007
Tim wrote:
Excellent job by all involved. This is a great investment in our future! More on the downtown blog:
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/community_do...
You got that right Tim: Certainly makes the owner of the Magic a lot richer and will bring a lot of rap concerts here so the crack heads can hang out at the new arena! However don't say anyting as that would be considered "Racial profiling"
Stepheno3_Orland o

Orlando, FL

#8 Jul 27, 2007
Black Morpheus wrote:
I hate it when I have to say "I told you so".
A "D&C on the Public Treasury.
!50 Public parking spaces for 18,500 seats at the Midget ghetto Arena.
How smart is that ?!
Tear down Parramore and build a big parking lot: Very simple solution!
Stepheno3_Orland o

Orlando, FL

#9 Jul 27, 2007
What a total joke this is: What jobs is it going to bring to Central Florida? None. Maybe a few construction jobs that is about all!
Just make the owner of the Magic happy because he is a much richer man now that the new arena is going to be built. He really needs more money anyway! It will also make the season ticket holders of the Magic happy as they will have new seats; they are perhaps 1.5 percent of the total population. We can also have MORE scum rap concerts here for the local hoodlums to hang out at and sell crack! I hope this cost $2.5 Billion before it is finished.
Perhaps the ONLY venue ever of this magnitude ever passed and approved without a public vote from the people, I am sure it is! But of course what the people think in Central Florida, do not count, just what a bunch of special interest groups think is really what counts. Tear down Parramore and make a big parking lot out of it, at least something positive will happen out of this fiasco!
Dan

Dover, FL

#10 Jul 27, 2007
Congratulations citizens of Orange County! This is great news for the Central Florida community!!!
Stepheno3_Orland o

Orlando, FL

#11 Jul 27, 2007
To be Frank wrote:
"Moore said the venues plan did not do enough to ensure Parramore residents of a better economic future"
Sure it does. Parramore is one of the highest crime areas in the Downtown area. The amount of money these locals will make on the items they fence from breaking into cars and the wallets they steal will make a brighter economic future for sure. At least the Bail Bondsmen and Tow-truck operators will benefit from all this.
Frank: Hey I never thought about that: That is a great idea: They can now steal and rob the higher class people and have more money to buy crack, that helps the local Economy!Great thinking!
UCFMAGIC

Bethpage, NY

#12 Jul 27, 2007
I knew it would pass. Where's Dr. Blob?? Is his oxygen tank running low?? This is a victory for young professionals in Orlando.
Frenchie

Apopka, FL

#13 Jul 27, 2007
Are Mayors Crotty & Dyer & thier other political, back room dealing, self interest croonies, going to be around when these venues fail to meet there projected obligations. I don't think so! How many volations to the Sunshine law have been violated. And don't tell me none T. Jacobs! Where's Larson Lamar now? I say vote them all out of office! Take them on Rosen!

Disappointed & Discussed
Govt Waste Must Stop

United States

#14 Jul 27, 2007
Congratulations, good people and politicos - you now have a localized version of Florida's grest pregnant pig bill and a rival to the bullet train.

Unfortunately, in a year or two, as people find services are cut, taxes are up, downtown further declines as developers build condos, some genius will say "what happened to all the revenue the arts complex and arena were to bring?"

Oh yes, and after a few more losing seasons, the Tragic go belly-up, having failed to fulfill their financial obligation. If they can pay over 100 million for a player that participates in what - 100 games over 6 or 7 seasons, don't you think a bigger investment in THEIR business location is warranted.

I think I may petition the good Orlando Orange County politicos to front me, oh 50 or 60 million dollars to get my business upgraded - it'd be a better deal, I plan on staying around, and I don't have super fluff salaries and comp packages for non-producing employees.

People, the more you see their actions, the more you appreciate the wisdom of the family pet.

R I P Common Sense
Markus Arelius

Austin, TX

#16 Jul 27, 2007
Stepheno3_Orlando wrote:
What a total joke this is: What jobs is it going to bring to Central Florida? None. Maybe a few construction jobs that is about all!
Just make the owner of the Magic happy because he is a much richer man now that the new arena is going to be built. He really needs more money anyway! It will also make the season ticket holders of the Magic happy as they will have new seats; they are perhaps 1.5 percent of the total population. We can also have MORE scum rap concerts here for the local hoodlums to hang out at and sell crack! I hope this cost $2.5 Billion before it is finished.
Perhaps the ONLY venue ever of this magnitude ever passed and approved without a public vote from the people, I am sure it is! But of course what the people think in Central Florida, do not count, just what a bunch of special interest groups think is really what counts. Tear down Parramore and make a big parking lot out of it, at least something positive will happen out of this fiasco!
Alittle class envy there Stephano? You need to go back to school and learn that we live in a representative democracy, not a mob rule. If you don't like the results, then vote out your representative.
Strange

Leesburg, FL

#18 Jul 27, 2007
Funny how things are appearing to move forward a lot quicker now that Doug Guetzloe is out of the picture. Now if that Scrooge, Harris Rosen, doesn't eff things up w/lawsuits...IMO, I'm glad that in a couple of years, I'll no longer have to drive to Tampa or SoFla for a decent concert or broadway show.
BobKno

Longwood, FL

#19 Jul 27, 2007
Meanwhile, police and detectives at my department are getting laid off soon due to the budget cuts.....
Govt Waste Must Stop

United States

#20 Jul 27, 2007
you know, no matter how much you try and make an area seem more civilized and cultured by building an arts center, a performing arts arena with fancy luxury boxes for the righ, you do no more than put perfume on a malodorous bovine,

the area, without smacking of racial slurring, is not a nice area, and to further clutter and crowd transportation arteries in an overburdened downtown area will not be a positive.

Depsite hopefulinorlando's optimistic view, as well as many others who see this purple elephant as the next savior, maybe my realistic view will be disproven.

I for one, though do not endear a loss of services, increase in tax, having to save and/or sacrifice other things in order to afford a ticket to attend one of these events
skyla2551

Orlando, FL

#21 Jul 27, 2007
I was impressed by Mr. Ken Mcavoy of reed exhibitions when he made the point that Las-Vegas, and Chicago are all expanding there convention centers. He gave a warning that if we do take care of our economic engine the ( Convention Center ) that those cities would take a lot of our convention business in the near future. This alone could put all orange county taxpayers at risk with the bond issue. Our County Commissioners should have had concerns of protecting what we have, and not what we want. Now that the deal is done, We will see how this all plays out.
Madonna Wayne Gacy

Atlanta, GA

#22 Jul 27, 2007
Govt Waste Must Stop wrote:
Congratulations, good people and politicos - you now have a localized version of Florida's grest pregnant pig bill and a rival to the bullet train.
Unfortunately, in a year or two, as people find services are cut, taxes are up, downtown further declines as developers build condos, some genius will say "what happened to all the revenue the arts complex and arena were to bring?"
Oh yes, and after a few more losing seasons, the Tragic go belly-up, having failed to fulfill their financial obligation. If they can pay over 100 million for a player that participates in what - 100 games over 6 or 7 seasons, don't you think a bigger investment in THEIR business location is warranted.
I think I may petition the good Orlando Orange County politicos to front me, oh 50 or 60 million dollars to get my business upgraded - it'd be a better deal, I plan on staying around, and I don't have super fluff salaries and comp packages for non-producing employees.
People, the more you see their actions, the more you appreciate the wisdom of the family pet.
R I P Common Sense
WAAAAAAAA! They voted to build a new arena, performing arts center, and renovate the Citrus Bowl. Suck it up you sissies and deal with it. It's about time that this deal went through.

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