NYPD stop and frisk cases up by 32 percent

[Tired of the nonsense]

Well Michael, maybe it could be a disrespectful way you are questioning an officer why you are being stopped and frisked.

Hmmm Must be a reason.

If you've done nothing wrong and have nothing to hide, then why complain? Be greatful!

[Blue Phil]

Michael wrote:

No, it means non-whites are smart enough to not be anywhere a bear will attack them.
36,000 total arrests since 1-1-08...yet they stopped over 75,000 black people. How is that reasonable?

that's a 50% hit ratio. Don't forget to add in the tickets/citations that were handed out and that 36k quickly jumps to better than 45k

[Irv]

Michael wrote:

Wow, the fact that 145,098 people were stopped and frisked in just three months is goddamned astonishing....wonder how many were arrested, and here we go, according to compustat from 1-1-08 to 5-4-08, total of 36,262 people arrested. source: http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/cr...
Now, half of 145,098 is 72,549. Yup, over SEVENTY THOUSAND black folk stopped and frisked and only 36,000 TOTAL ARRESTS since 1/1. Is the NYPD spending more time harassing people for walking on public sidewalks than they are arresting criminals?

"ONLY 36,000 TOTAL ARRESTS"??? That's 36,000 potential murderers off the street! Betcha that added up to quite a few saved lives. Keep up the good work police department.

[Irv]

Heavy chested wrote:

and long legged blondes are the one's they frisk the most

Especially the ones with huge guns!:)

[Irv]

Michael wrote:

Well, Tired, what about the multitude of people who, like me, neither look, act nor smell like a thug, yet get stopped and frisked, then threatened with false arrest when we ask why we are stopped?

How do you know you don't look like a criminal?

[Len]

Scootch wrote:

The cops are checking the folks who commit the vast majority of crimes. And guess what? It's the blacks and Hispanics. That's why blue-eyed silver-haired granmas don't get patted down when they're coming out of church.

Only if they try to board a plane !!! But that's for another topic.

[Barney Rubble]

JTM wrote:

does anyone remember when this was a free country and not a police state? East Berlin would have nothing on us now, "Papers Please".

Yes, but have you ever been pulled over in Ohio by the OSP, causing many to refer to this state as "The East Germany of the United States". A prerequisite for OSP recruits is (at a minimum) to have their heart removed in a non-surgical procedure as it makes them even more ruthless and "heartless" (yuk yuk) in their minimum 6'4" frame (women too!).

[Run262]

Mike, don't harass my Denise.

We have a thing going.

[Alfred Newman]

Why is it always Racial profiling ?
Does anyone think there might be probable cause here ?
Or may be it because Osama Bin Obama
is running for president !
Where is his buddy the Rev. All when
you need him ?

[Justifiably Bellicose]

JTM wrote:

does anyone remember when this was a free country and not a police state? East Berlin would have nothing on us now, "Papers Please".

If you want to get critical of someone, get critical of the British.

This kind of thing has been routine over there for years, and the police have the RECOGNIZED POWER to stop, question and frisk people at will. Probable cause is not required.

On top of that, the average Briton is photographed more than 300 times during the course of a day by the cameras that are ubiquitous, enabling the government to keep the people under surveillance.

The British are leading the way to giving up their rights and privacy to a surveillance state, "to purchase a little security." And they have been doing their best to export that mentality here. Look at how many cities HERE now have the cameras up for the police to be watching us all.

And what about the policy enacted a couple of years ago where police will ask people to "voluntarily submit" to having their bags checked "at random" when entering the subway?(Of course, people are free to decline to be searched, but then they aren't allowed to make their commute! And anyone with a bomb would just decline the search, turn around, and try another day.)

We are reaping the sad harvest of the dumbing down of America. The dumber the populace, the less they know how to guard their own rights, and the easier it is to pursuade them to give up those rights to a government that promises cynically to "protect" them.

[Irv]

Criminals must be stopped! Nothing wrong with getting these gun toting morons and **** off the streets.

[Jim]

Michael wrote:

Well, Tired, what about the multitude of people who, like me, neither look, act nor smell like a thug, yet get stopped and frisked, then threatened with false arrest when we ask why we are stopped?

It's your big mouth Mikey but you don't want to admit it because you're in denial! Lose the big chip on your shoulder and shut your big mouth and you'll go un-noticed. The world will be a better place as well!

[Pandora Spock]

Scootch wrote:

The cops are checking the folks who commit the vast majority of crimes. And guess what? It's the blacks and Hispanics. That's why blue-eyed silver-haired granmas don't get patted down when they're coming out of church.

I am a blue eyed blonde/silver haired grandma. I was frisked and patted down at MC Arthur airport the last time I flew. The swarthy young man who tried to blow off security in front of me wasn't for whatever reason. But they chose to make me the scapegoat for the gods of political correctness and not to appear like they were profiling so I was patted and groped like a criminal. I didn't dare protest because I did not wish to miss my flight. I think the TSA should get a brain!

[Mayor Dinkins]

If you look like a criminal, you will be treated as such.

Thank You

[Michael]

Run...good 4 you...I personally stay away from internet romances, but whatever floats yer boats. I only respond in kind to Denies' blathering posts.

Jimtard...I admit I caught an attitude after being threatened with false arrest, instead of told why I was stopped....but of course you would thank the cops for stopping you for no reason, and offer to fellate them to show your appreciation, right, dipshit?

[MZfromLI]

Michael wrote:

Define "look like you're up to no good". If you're wearing bulky clothes on a 90 degree day....or leaving a known drug house, then yes, suspicion is cast. If you fit the description of a suspect, again, valid reason for a stop.
Check out the Attorney General's website for the breakdown of the 4 Tier Stop System used by the NYPD. Frisking IS ONLY ALLOWED WHEN A COP HAS A GOOD REASON TO FEAR FOR HIS SAFETY (fumbling around pockets, repeatedly placing hands in pockets AFTER being ordered not to, a suspicious "bulge", etc...).
Is it too much to ask for logic, common sense and equal enforcement of the laws? As for the idiotic idea that only criminals resent being frisked, the only answer is to paraphrase Franklin: those who would give up liberty for security DESERVE NEITHER. If I am committing no crime and not acting suspicious, DO NOT STOP AND FEEL ME UP, it's not that complicated.

Hey, Michael..I couldn't agree with you more! We are losing our right to be secure in our own persons and I for one don't like it one bit. A person does not have to be a criminal to resent their bags searched or being frisked. Hey, suppose someone is a HIV patient and has a cartload of medications in his bag? Or some one has a little thing for porn and bought a dirty book (sleazy, but not illegal.) These things and others, should be a person's private business.
A year after 9/11 I took my niece to see a Monkees concert at Bald Hill in Farmingville, and do you know, we actually had our handbags searched?! People had to open up their umbrellas and coolers. Ridiculous!

[rp077 Long island]

Michael wrote:

FUnny, but when I move here in 1996, I used to walk from my apt. on 86th and Jamaica Ave., to Cresent Street, in East NY....a predominantly darker skinned neighborhood.
WHile I was warned "Wonderbread, you in the wrong hood.." a few times, I was never, ever stopped by any police officer. While visiting friends in S. Jamaica, walking to the LIRR, shopping by the open "market square" by Hillside, never once was I stopped and frisked, or even asked for information, by the NYPD.
After 9/11, NYC residents got scared and gave up a lot of liberties in the name of security, which never even arrived. We are as safe as we were on 9-10-01...just without the ability to walk around without being harassed by the NYPD. IF you told me 15 years ago that people walking on the public sidewalk could legally be stopped, made to show ID and felt up by a random NYPD officers, I would have laughed in your face. Who knew 1984 was waiting right around the corner?

We have already discussed the Stop Question & Frisk on another post and I see you come here with the same statistics.

SQ&F is a tool for the police that has several layers (as you correctly pointed out). It is not an indication of arrests (as I have pointed out). There will always be more people stopped than arrested.

Again, I will explain; Police respond to a robbery, get a description, and stop someone fitting that description. Victim does not ID, the person is allowed to leave and a SQ&F is filed.

That is the majority of SQ&F.

As far as why the majority of those stopped are minority, because a larger portion of those committing crime are minorities. What are the statistics for suspects described as "black males" in this city? I'll bet anything it is way up there.

Violent crime occurs more in minority areas, therefore-the police have a greater presence and more minorities are stopped.

As for poster "Guilty" and others;

Exactly what liberties did we lose since 9/11? Give me detail.

[screw the taxpayers]

stop and frisk was always high on the agenda of NYPD law enforcement so after 9/11 when a federal law was passed NYPD politicos were happy unfortunately black and hispanics are the bearers of most cases, poor them that the country is being blamed for being racist but as others have said the majority of crimes are committed in those communities but its a shame that all are punished for the bad apples

[rp077 Long island]

screw the taxpayers wrote:

stop and frisk was always high on the agenda of NYPD law enforcement so after 9/11 when a federal law was passed NYPD politicos were happy unfortunately black and hispanics are the bearers of most cases, poor them that the country is being blamed for being racist but as others have said the majority of crimes are committed in those communities but its a shame that all are punished for the bad apples

What federal law was passed?

Did I miss something?

[Michael]

The liberty to enter a subway, airport or other public facility without being unreasonably searched and seized. The liberty to walk on a public sidewalk without having to present your "papers" to an armed officer. The liberty to be able to review the acts of government without having to jump through hoops, or initiate lawsuits. The liberty to speak, write or post freely in our communications, correspondence and personal writings. The liberty of having a system in place whereby when the government abuses its authorities, the citizenry is informed ASAP.

RPP...Terry v. Ohio, initiated the stop and frisk idea....the NY case, De Bour is the NYS equivalent (although NY holds stricter standards when it comes to being able to deprive folks of their movement, even for a short period of time). Again, RPP, read the AG's report...here's the link: http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/reports/stop...

It's sad when the government (local, city, state and federal) prefers fear mongering to actual safety.