DeGeneres, de Rossi plan to marry, AP is told

[Tony C]

The Walrus wrote:

Marriage between homosexuals isn't what marriage is about. It is and was made for hetrosexuals. How can one even believe that it is marriage when two of the same sex unites. It is not defined. Nor has it ever been defined. The plumbing doesn't allow it. It is an absolute contradiction in terms. I really don't care what you call it but marriage is already taken by the hetrosexuals. Why do the homosexuals have to be so bigoted about wanting to change a hetrosexual term. Call it Gay Bliss or whatever you want just leave marriage alone to us.

When two things are joined together, it's marriage.

You can marry ingredients in a recipe. You can marry two bottles of liquor (although it's illegal.)

What WE are CHOOSING to do is to get married, and you have no say in that. You don't own the word or the concept.

Too bad.

[U DONT GET IT]

IT IS COMPLETELY ABNORMAL AND THEY ARE AS SICK AND TWISTED AS A WELL AS CRIMINAL MINDS ARE,THEY SUFFER FROM MENTAL ILLNESS.I AGREE THROW THEM IN THE OVEN!

[Kirk Here]

Tony C wrote:

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As I said, I did not make a choice to be gay. There was no choice involved.
If I had made a choice, I'd just say so.
But the simple truth is, no, I did not choose to be gay.
DUH.
Did you choose to be straight? No, of course not. In order to choose, you must have more than one option available to you. I did not, and neither do you.
Now, you can't just contradict my life experience with "yes you did." You have to either have some kind of contrary facts, or some real basis to call me a liar.
Good luck.

Tony you are talking nonsense. Of course you made a choice. Yiu may not remember making that choice probably because you were only a child. But a choice you did make just as every heterosexual made a choice.

Now the Supreme Court has already ruled (Roe v. Wade) that "Choice" as to what one does with their body (and your brain is part of your body) is a Constitutional Right.

Mariage and the definition of marriage however is not covered by the U.S. Constutution. To define marriage was left to be decided by each individual state that makes up this republic. Therefore the people of each state or their elected representatives are the only ones that can define what marriage is within their state and under curent law they have every right to do so. What they cannot do under federal law is make someone's choice of sexulaity illegal. They already tried that and it didn't work.

Therefore the only way to legalize gay/lesbian marriage as the law of this nation would be by a Constitutional Ammendment. Perhaps someday we will get to that point.

However I must point out to you that you are making much to much out of the fact that you are Gay. Nobody cares if you are Gay. What people do care about is that you are a law abiding, responsible person of good moral character who has every right under the Constitution to be Gay if you choose to be so. But it is time to stop with the continuous post after post after post. It is really pretty simple. You have to be a man before you can be Gay. i.e. A man that is gay. What confuses people is when you say you are Gay first and then a man. i.e. I am a Gay man. So grow up and be a man first who happens to have made the choice to be gay.

[Kirk Here]

Tony C wrote:

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Newsflash! You don't know what God wants, and your version of what God wants does not inform the law. Other people don't share your screwed up religious views, and we don't have to live by them.
I have my own relationship with God, and (thank God) it's very different from yours.
If you want to live in a country where your religion runs the show, then you'll have to move.

Here tony you fell right intop the trap by stating "Other people don't share your screwed up religious views, and we don't have to live by them."

That was highly elitist. No you don't have to share someone else's views or religion by you have to tolerate and give them their right to practice their religion. See my friend if you are going to challenge people that way then they are going to challenge your views instead of tolerating them.

Hopefully you are getting the point. So far I think present day America has really grown a great deal from the days that society would pile guilt onto a person choosing to live a gay lifestyle to the point that the gay person would commit suicide. Since you say you are a man who is gay then you know exactly what I am talking about. Complete intolerance and ostricizing another human being will drive them to total self destruction when they irrationally accept the maoprity's incorrect interpretation of a person's lifestyle.

I think today's society is far beyond the "Guilt" label when it comes to a person choosing to live the Gay or Lesbian lifestyle. You however keep arguing as if you want someone to alleviate your guilt. so here goes. YOU ARE NOT GUILTY OF ANYTHING CHOOSING TO BE A MAN WHO IS GAY!

[Tony C]

Kirk Here wrote:

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Tony you are talking nonsense. Of course you made a choice. Yiu may not remember making that choice probably because you were only a child. But a choice you did make just as every heterosexual made a choice.
Now the Supreme Court has already ruled (Roe v. Wade) that "Choice" as to what one does with their body (and your brain is part of your body) is a Constitutional Right.
Mariage and the definition of marriage however is not covered by the U.S. Constutution. To define marriage was left to be decided by each individual state that makes up this republic. Therefore the people of each state or their elected representatives are the only ones that can define what marriage is within their state and under curent law they have every right to do so. What they cannot do under federal law is make someone's choice of sexulaity illegal. They already tried that and it didn't work.
Therefore the only way to legalize gay/lesbian marriage as the law of this nation would be by a Constitutional Ammendment. Perhaps someday we will get to that point.
However I must point out to you that you are making much to much out of the fact that you are Gay. Nobody cares if you are Gay. What people do care about is that you are a law abiding, responsible person of good moral character who has every right under the Constitution to be Gay if you choose to be so. But it is time to stop with the continuous post after post after post. It is really pretty simple. You have to be a man before you can be Gay. i.e. A man that is gay. What confuses people is when you say you are Gay first and then a man. i.e. I am a Gay man. So grow up and be a man first who happens to have made the choice to be gay.

Wait, wait, wait - so you really expect me to believe that I made a choice but don't remember it?

Are you retarted?

As I said, if I chose to be gay, I'd say so. I have no problem with that.

The fact is I tried to pretend I was not gay until I was 24 years old. When I first began to fear I was gay (around age 12) I tried to pray it away, wish it away, deny it, ignore it, force myself to date girls, etc. etc.

That's asking a lot of a 12 year old.

Trust me, you've never tried harder in your life to do ANYTHING anywhere near as hard as I tried to deny being gay.

See, if you're not stupid, you'll realize that's the OPPOSITE of making a choice.

Take the opportunity to learn something instead of clinging to your ignorance.

Apparently someone does care whether or not I'm gay, because they are so scared to acknowledge my marriage. If it didn't matter to the world, then it wouldn't matter to me either.

Until we get 100% equality, we will remain vocal. Basically, you can do this the easy way (learn from history) or the hard way (force us to continue to demand our rights like we are pulling teeth.)

Either way, we'll get there, and you'll be defeated.

[Kampa]

Kirk Here wrote:

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Tony you are talking nonsense. Of course you made a choice. Yiu may not remember making that choice probably because you were only a child. But a choice you did make just as every heterosexual made a choice.

That makes no sense. How can a child make the choice to be gay? Children do not have the concept of sexual choices with other people. When I was a child I never stood up and declared that I was heterosexual. Conscious sexual feelings don't arise until puberty. I still don't feel that most people choose this. Who wants to stand out and be different and ridiculed their entire life? Most people just want to fit in with the rest of what society views as normal. Being gay seems to clearly be in the minority so why would someone choose that? Still nobody seems to want to answer my question of how this directly affects their lives if they are legally allowed to be married? Why are people so hung up on this? Just live your own life and worry about your own injustices in your life. If people would just learn to worry about their own lives instead of everyone elses maybe we'd all be just alittle bit happier. Bottom line it doesn't affect others at all and is no one elses business. Who cares.

[Kirk Here]

Tony C wrote:

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When two things are joined together, it's marriage.
You can marry ingredients in a recipe. You can marry two bottles of liquor (although it's illegal.)
What WE are CHOOSING to do is to get married, and you have no say in that. You don't own the word or the concept.
Too bad.

Tony you are forgetting to write the words "hoping to." You are hoping that marriage between men who are gay and woman wh=o are lesbians will be legalized. But you cannot say at this time you a "Choosing to get married" unless you live in a state that has legalized that idea.

Read the current dictionary definition of marriage. Notice heterosexual marrigage contains the word "LAW" while marriage between people of the same sex does not.

At least not yet except in Califonia.

[Kirk Here]

Here Tony i will save you the trouble of researching the definition while you attempt to make some other argument based on facts. So far you have failed to do so.

1 a (1): the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2): the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage.

See tony the words Recognized by Lae does not appear in section 2 that deals with homosexuals or lesbians getting "married."

[Tony C]

Kirk Here wrote:

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Here tony you fell right intop the trap by stating "Other people don't share your screwed up religious views, and we don't have to live by them."
That was highly elitist. No you don't have to share someone else's views or religion by you have to tolerate and give them their right to practice their religion. See my friend if you are going to challenge people that way then they are going to challenge your views instead of tolerating them.
Hopefully you are getting the point. So far I think present day America has really grown a great deal from the days that society would pile guilt onto a person choosing to live a gay lifestyle to the point that the gay person would commit suicide. Since you say you are a man who is gay then you know exactly what I am talking about. Complete intolerance and ostricizing another human being will drive them to total self destruction when they irrationally accept the maoprity's incorrect interpretation of a person's lifestyle.
I think today's society is far beyond the "Guilt" label when it comes to a person choosing to live the Gay or Lesbian lifestyle. You however keep arguing as if you want someone to alleviate your guilt. so here goes. YOU ARE NOT GUILTY OF ANYTHING CHOOSING TO BE A MAN WHO IS GAY!

wrong.

First, it was not elitist, but I would not care if it is.

Allowing you to practice your religion stops when it discriminates against me.

Allowing you to practice your religion DOES NOT give you the right to prevent ME from getting married, or having that marriage recognized by the government.

You are free to dislike it, write letters to the editor about it, and choose not to associate with me.

You are NOT free to infringe on MY rights.

Are you telling me you really don't see that line?

If a satan worshipper's religion tells them to sacrifice children - should they be allowed to because we have to tolerate their religion? See how ridiculous that sounds?

You are just trying to twist things to fit what YOU want to happen.

But you're wrong, unfair, and un-American.

MY religion says I am married. How would you feel if someone challenged your marriage? I would tell them to f off, no matter what their religion.

See, I have as much right to be here as you. You see us as "those gays." But we are people who share this country, worship as we see fit, pay taxes, raise children, and contribute just like anyone else. When are you going to grow up and get over that?

[Tony C]

Kampa wrote:

<quoted text>That makes no sense. How can a child make the choice to be gay? Children do not have the concept of sexual choices with other people. When I was a child I never stood up and declared that I was heterosexual. Conscious sexual feelings don't arise until puberty. I still don't feel that most people choose this. Who wants to stand out and be different and ridiculed their entire life? Most people just want to fit in with the rest of what society views as normal. Being gay seems to clearly be in the minority so why would someone choose that? Still nobody seems to want to answer my question of how this directly affects their lives if they are legally allowed to be married? Why are people so hung up on this? Just live your own life and worry about your own injustices in your life. If people would just learn to worry about their own lives instead of everyone elses maybe we'd all be just alittle bit happier. Bottom line it doesn't affect others at all and is no one elses business. Who cares.

THANK YOU!! It's nice to read common sense here and there.

[Tony C]

Kirk Here wrote:

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Tony you are forgetting to write the words "hoping to." You are hoping that marriage between men who are gay and woman wh=o are lesbians will be legalized. But you cannot say at this time you a "Choosing to get married" unless you live in a state that has legalized that idea.
Read the current dictionary definition of marriage. Notice heterosexual marrigage contains the word "LAW" while marriage between people of the same sex does not.
At least not yet except in Califonia.

Wrong again.

*I* define my marriage - not you, not the church, not the government. I and my partner define it.

The rest can either recognize it or not, but the reality is, it is what it is, and that's a marriage.

And for the record, the church did recognize it, and made a point of calling it a marriage at our ceremony.

The laws will catch up. There are no valid arguments to the contrary. It's inevitable. No "hope" about it.

[Tony C]

Kirk Here wrote:

Here Tony i will save you the trouble of researching the definition while you attempt to make some other argument based on facts. So far you have failed to do so.
1 a (1): the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2): the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage.
See tony the words Recognized by Lae does not appear in section 2 that deals with homosexuals or lesbians getting "married."

1. There are other definitions besides those (i.e. the recipe usage,****

2. There are other dictionaries which do not specify male/female.

3. The dictionary is not the law

4. Definitions change all the time.

Nice try!

[Kirk Here]

Kampa wrote:

<quoted text>That makes no sense. How can a child make the choice to be gay? Children do not have the concept of sexual choices with other people. When I was a child I never stood up and declared that I was heterosexual. Conscious sexual feelings don't arise until puberty. I still don't feel that most people choose this. Who wants to stand out and be different and ridiculed their entire life? Most people just want to fit in with the rest of what society views as normal. Being gay seems to clearly be in the minority so why would someone choose that? Still nobody seems to want to answer my question of how this directly affects their lives if they are legally allowed to be married? Why are people so hung up on this? Just live your own life and worry about your own injustices in your life. If people would just learn to worry about their own lives instead of everyone elses maybe we'd all be just alittle bit happier. Bottom line it doesn't affect others at all and is no one elses business. Who cares.

Oh please stopp with the "minority ****." Weatyher or not one ios in a minorioty or a majority usually is based on where their feet cuurntly touch the ground. there are locations in this nation where straights would be a minority. As of right now I could illogicly state "I am in the majority" and would probably be making a "correct" statement. So fly me to China or Africa and suddenly it would be an incorrect statement. Wait 50 years for the Hispanic immigration to fully develop in this nation and then weather or not I am in the majority will be subject to debate.

So how about you stop with the minority/majority argument. We are all human. We breathe, bleed, hurt, feel, laugh, smile, frown, get sick or injurd and finally we die. It is at that point that one can totally be correct that they are in the majority! Otherwise the word minority/majority means nothing to me. We live in a nation where everyone has the same human rights under the Constutution be they in the overwhelming "majority" or a minority of one. That is the beauty of the document.

But again it does not curently define marriage as a basic human right. The state legislatures have to do that or the document has to be amended and that requires 3/4 of the states agreeing to do so. The only other altyernative is to get a Supreme court decision that states that marrige between any teo consenting adults is a basic human right under the Constiitution. Took those Judges 200 years to find the abortion Right in the constitution so what's to say that total freedom to marriage iosn't hidden in there also.

Ever think the delegates to the Constitutional Convention got bored at some point and played around a little by deciding "let's hide this here and that there."

Yes I know I am now rambling but the bottom line here is nobody cares if your gay, straight, lesbian, bi-sexual or asexual. If you want a law changed you have to go out there and work to change it. that is exactly what the people who brought the suit in California did. Kudos to them. End of story. They won their case. The "minority" got 4 out of 7 Judges to agree with them. Welcone to the U.S.A.

[Jenny D]

Tony C,
Can I ask if you get married in one state that gay marrage is legal in and move to a state where it's not, does that state recongnize your marriage?

[Tony C]

Jenny D wrote:

Tony C,
Can I ask if you get married in one state that gay marrage is legal in and move to a state where it's not, does that state recongnize your marriage?

Currently, in most cases, to the best of my knowledge, no.

The one exception I'm aware of is that Rhode Island will recognize those marriages performed in neighboring Massachusetts.(They share a very fluid border.)

And I believe under some loophole, there were a handful of couples recognized in New York, but I'm not sure if those couples were married in Massachusetts, or Canada, or ? They are not currently recognizing additional marriages (I'm fairly certain.)

It's all pretty complicated. We recently flew from Fort Lauderdale to Boston, and then drove from Boston through Rhode Island, Connecticut and New York to New Jersey to visit my mom for Mother's Day.

We have a NJ Civil Union and a Broward County (Florida) domestic partnership, each of which give us different levels of recognition.

As we drove, we speculated as to what we would be considered in each state. All of those states (except NY) recognize either Civil Union or Marriage.

We joked that if one of us was going to end up in a coma, it should be while we were on vacation up there.

[Tony C]

LUCIFER wrote:

The thought of the way you people have sex is unimaginable what the heck is wrong with you gays.And you preach you are sick and will adopt children and raise them as hetero.If you were not in california those kids would be made fun of and brushed aside of our society how fare is that to them.What next will you ask for multiple mariages with gays.Stay in the closet things were way better for you gay ****'s .You are just as bad as rapists and chid molesters you are committing a crime against human beings.You disgust me.I like your excuses you were abused give me a break!!!!!!!!

Wow...you're a mess. Get therapy.

P.S.- if kids pick on other kids who have gay parents, THAT'S YOUR FAULT for not raising them right.

[Lucrecia]

When I was a child, the word GAY meant happy, joy, et al....never was it used in reference to
homosexuals or lesbians. SO...point is, use the appropriate name for those folks..lesbians, homosexuals. Stop confusing the kids.Gay means joy.happy etc.
Best wishes to the lesbian couple.

[LUCIFER]

Tony C wrote:

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Wow...you're a mess. Get therapy.
P.S.- if kids pick on other kids who have gay parents, THAT'S YOUR FAULT for not raising them right.

Sorry it is your fault for thinking it will be ok.You need therapy.I am married and have great children who would never consider your crimnal ways of disgacing mankind.

[Jenny D]

Tony C wrote:

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Currently, in most cases, to the best of my knowledge, no.
The one exception I'm aware of is that Rhode Island will recognize those marriages performed in neighboring Massachusetts.(They share a very fluid border.)
And I believe under some loophole, there were a handful of couples recognized in New York, but I'm not sure if those couples were married in Massachusetts, or Canada, or ? They are not currently recognizing additional marriages (I'm fairly certain.)
It's all pretty complicated. We recently flew from Fort Lauderdale to Boston, and then drove from Boston through Rhode Island, Connecticut and New York to New Jersey to visit my mom for Mother's Day.
We have a NJ Civil Union and a Broward County (Florida) domestic partnership, each of which give us different levels of recognition.
As we drove, we speculated as to what we would be considered in each state. All of those states (except NY) recognize either Civil Union or Marriage.
We joked that if one of us was going to end up in a coma, it should be while we were on vacation up there.

Thanks, and your right about the coma, I'd make sure to get power of attorney papers if I was you. Or at least make sure my closest relative knew what I wanted if something happened.

[Nicholas]

I want to have an affair with Portia De Rossi and seduce/seducing her to turns her into straight and when I'm going to get ready to become famous as a writer and novelist and then, doing promoting my novel by using touring to promote it in Australia and overseas and if I'm going to the USA during continuing promote my novel by using touring or if my novel will become as a movie, TV-movie or mini-series by having auditions for Australian actors and actresses with some international actors and actresses to take part the roles of my novel's characters, I'm going to steal Portia from Ellen Degeneres, have an affair with her and **** her to turns her into straight if she would like to take part in the auditions and if she's going to become pregnant, Ellen is going to p*** me off and she thinks I'm going to be as a dirty rotten homophobic scoundrel love rat when or if I'm going to have a illegitimate child with Portia just like Nellie West who have adultery when she having an affair with a married man who is a bricklayer working for she and John West and have an illegitimate child in a novel called “Power Without Glory” by Australian writer Frank Hardy because I don’t care what’s the s*** thing!