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The Virginia Board of Health has approved abortion clinic regulations that include the strict building standards that abortion-rights supporters opposed.

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heh

Charlottesville, VA

#63 Sep 17, 2012
Don't forget those pangs of guilt for swallowing the morning after pill.
Ocean56

AOL

#64 Sep 17, 2012
Shame on you wrote:
You don't speak for every woman. It has nothing to do with their health. Many people choose abortion because the unborn child is not convenient for this time of their life.
And the reasons why women choose to have an abortion are, quite frankly, none of YOUR business. Not YOUR pregnancy? Not your decision either.

You just seem angry that NOT all women want pregnancy or children but would prefer to focus on their educations or careers instead. Too bad. Motherhood is OPTIONAL, even if a pregnancy happens for whatever reason.
Ocean56

AOL

#65 Sep 17, 2012
abcd wrote:
It's a contrived notion to assume that all conservative males perceive women that way or that's the reason people oppose abortion. All statements like this do is try to demonize and divide as well as stoke the fires of extreme partisanship. It's like saying that liberals are people willing to kill just so that they're not inconvenienced.
Similarly, the Democratic party used to advocate slavery around the time of the Civil War. To use that to claim to say that all Dems are racist is just as ludicrous as saying all conservatives think that a woman's place is in the kitchen and spitting out kids.
There are many people like me, who lean conservative but are on the fence when it comes to abortion. I see abortion the taking of innocent life for trivial reasons (escape from responsibility, escape from inconvenience... but support it in cases of incest/rape), but support all women's rights... so we don't know exactly where to stand... so we just stand on the sidelines.
You can say my views are "contrived notions" all you want, junior, but I'll go on expressing them, whether YOU approve of them or not.

Personally, I think many conservative men DO hold these backward views of women, even though they don't have the guts to admit that publicly, ESPECIALLY if they are conservative politicians like Romney/Ryan. Openly expressing such backward ideas of women and women's rights could cost them VOTES after all. Now that women CAN vote, that is a huge concern for them.

In any case, there IS a definite war on women, especially in the area of reproductive rights. The amount of legislation drafted and passed that makes it much harder for a woman to obtain an abortion certainly is proof of that to ME.

If Romney wins, WOMEN lose. That's why I'll VOTE FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA on November 6th.
Ocean56

AOL

#66 Sep 17, 2012
Bitner wrote:
Your generalizations are incorrect. I've known several women who've had abortions, and none of those things have happened to them. They made their own choices, based on their own circumstances and moral code, and do not regret their choice. There are websites where women who also don't regret their choice tell their stories. Do some women regret? Yes, and no one is denying that. But not all.
Exactly. Here is ONE of those sites where women do NOT regret their choice to abort an unwanted pregnancy.

http://www.imnotsorry.net
abcd

Herndon, VA

#67 Sep 17, 2012
Ocean56 wrote:
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You can say my views are "contrived notions" all you want, junior, but I'll go on expressing them, whether YOU approve of them or not.
Personally, I think many conservative men DO hold these backward views of women, even though they don't have the guts to admit that publicly, ESPECIALLY if they are conservative politicians like Romney/Ryan. Openly expressing such backward ideas of women and women's rights could cost them VOTES after all. Now that women CAN vote, that is a huge concern for them.
In any case, there IS a definite war on women, especially in the area of reproductive rights. The amount of legislation drafted and passed that makes it much harder for a woman to obtain an abortion certainly is proof of that to ME.
If Romney wins, WOMEN lose. That's why I'll VOTE FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA on November 6th.
You don't have to get defensive with me over my views. Nobody's saying that you can't express whatever you want to. I was merely stating my views, not disputing yours, and I will continue to do so whether you approve or not.

It appears that you didn't take the time to read my entire post or understand it completely before knee-jerking a response... so let me be clear.. I'll even put it in caps so that you can read it in haste and not misconstrue my position, okay sweetie?:

I HAVE NOT CHOSEN A SIDE IN THE ABORTION DEBATE

I'm merely suggesting that it's not fair to label all because of the actions,(real or imagined) of a few. Even though I lean a little conservative, I haven't figured out where I stand on abortion and am trying to get a little perspective. I choose to think for myself by gaining information first unlike others who blindly follow a political party. But it's hard to get any perspective through you because of your anger, so obviously I'll need to get it from someone else who is more open minded.
Ocean56

AOL

#68 Sep 17, 2012
abcd wrote:
You don't have to get defensive with me over my views. Nobody's saying that you can't express whatever you want to. I was merely stating my views, not disputing yours, and I will continue to do so whether you approve or not.
It appears that you didn't take the time to read my entire post or understand it completely before knee-jerking a response... so let me be clear.. I'll even put it in caps so that you can read it in haste and not misconstrue my position, okay sweetie?:
I HAVE NOT CHOSEN A SIDE IN THE ABORTION DEBATE
I'm merely suggesting that it's not fair to label all because of the actions,(real or imagined) of a few. Even though I lean a little conservative, I haven't figured out where I stand on abortion and am trying to get a little perspective. I choose to think for myself by gaining information first unlike others who blindly follow a political party. But it's hard to get any perspective through you because of your anger, so obviously I'll need to get it from someone else who is more open minded.
lol Riiiiiiiiiight, you've seen I'm not buying any of your phony "arguments" against abortion, so you'll try convincing someone else. Good luck with that.

abcd

Herndon, VA

#69 Sep 17, 2012
Ocean56 wrote:
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lol Riiiiiiiiiight, you've seen I'm not buying any of your phony "arguments" against abortion, so you'll try convincing someone else. Good luck with that.
Where did I make an argument against abortion aside from how I see it taking life? Cite it for me please?

No, I merely think that I'll get better information on abortion from someone who isn't a rabid foaming at the mouth uber-feminist.
abcd

Herndon, VA

#70 Sep 17, 2012
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
Your generalizations are incorrect. I've known several women who've had abortions, and none of those things have happened to them. They made their own choices, based on their own circumstances and moral code, and do not regret their choice. There are websites where women who also don't regret their choice tell their stories. Do some women regret? Yes, and no one is denying that. But not all.
I'm guessing that women who regret it probably weren't sure that they wanted to go through it to begin with. Perhaps in the case of a quasi-forced abortion,(e.g. husband/boyfriend/parents pushed them to do it).

Would be interesting to know the statistics of how many women that didn't regret it were ones that were certain and did it 100% voluntarily.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#71 Sep 17, 2012
abcd wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm guessing that women who regret it probably weren't sure that they wanted to go through it to begin with. Perhaps in the case of a quasi-forced abortion,(e.g. husband/boyfriend/parents pushed them to do it).
Would be interesting to know the statistics of how many women that didn't regret it were ones that were certain and did it 100% voluntarily.
I have to agree with you here, that the women who do regret their choice weren't really sure of it in the first place. Also, if those around them constantly condemn then for their choices after the fact, that can contribute to their emotional state, IMO.

I had an unplanned pregnancy. One that came at a very bad time. I had people on both sides trying to talk me into one choice, or the other, some rather adamantly. It didn't matter, I made my own decision to continue that pregnancy. I was certain, and it was the right decision for me at that time. Despite the fact that it was a very stressful time. A year or two ago, when I could still get pregnant, I may have made a different choice. But I would never try to talk another woman into one decision or the other. Ever. And I would never condemn a woman for whichever choice she made after the fact. That is unacceptable to me.
abcd

Herndon, VA

#72 Sep 17, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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But I would never try to talk another woman into one decision or the other. Ever. And I would never condemn a woman for whichever choice she made after the fact. That is unacceptable to me.
For those women that are unsure, as you illustrated, they often seek advice from others on which decision to make. This puts them in a position where they can be influenced by others' beliefs. It's somewhat of a catch 22. I don't know whether you actively solicited advice from others for your decision, but it almost seems as though a woman is better off not seeking advice on whether to have an abortion or not. Finding the information herself and making her own decision seems to be the best route.

I am curious though as to what the role of the father (assuming a normal conception, not rape/incest) should be, if any.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#73 Sep 17, 2012
abcd wrote:
<quoted text>
For those women that are unsure, as you illustrated, they often seek advice from others on which decision to make. This puts them in a position where they can be influenced by others' beliefs. It's somewhat of a catch 22. I don't know whether you actively solicited advice from others for your decision, but it almost seems as though a woman is better off not seeking advice on whether to have an abortion or not. Finding the information herself and making her own decision seems to be the best route.
I am curious though as to what the role of the father (assuming a normal conception, not rape/incest) should be, if any.
Oh, the advice was largely unsought.

From what I've personally seen, I believe most couples in a committed relationship would make such a decision together. But the final decision must remain with the woman, who is the one pregnant after all. Only one can have the final say. Giving that final say to the man would only mean he could also force her to abort if he wished.
Judy

Charlottesville, VA

#74 Sep 17, 2012
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
You can say my views are "contrived notions" all you want, junior, but I'll go on expressing them, whether YOU approve of them or not.
Personally, I think many conservative men DO hold these backward views of women, even though they don't have the guts to admit that publicly, ESPECIALLY if they are conservative politicians like Romney/Ryan. Openly expressing such backward ideas of women and women's rights could cost them VOTES after all. Now that women CAN vote, that is a huge concern for them.
In any case, there IS a definite war on women, especially in the area of reproductive rights. The amount of legislation drafted and passed that makes it much harder for a woman to obtain an abortion certainly is proof of that to ME.
If Romney wins, WOMEN lose. That's why I'll VOTE FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA on November 6th.
You are wrong, women don't loose, the baby does, he/she looses their life.
Ocean56

AOL

#75 Sep 18, 2012
Judy wrote:
You are wrong, women don't loose, the baby does, he/she looses their life.
No, I think I'm RIGHT, but you're free to say whatever you want. It is still a fact that the decision whether to continue a pregnancy or not belongs to ONE person; the woman who is pregnant. Motherhood is still OPTIONAL, not required, even if a pregnancy happens. Not YOUR pregnancy? Not your decision.

If Romney wins, WOMEN lose. That's why I'll VOTE FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA on November 6th.

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