Armed School Security Guard Bill Pass...

Armed School Security Guard Bill Passes House

There are 28 comments on the NBC29 Charlottesville story from Jan 28, 2013, titled Armed School Security Guard Bill Passes House. In it, NBC29 Charlottesville reports that:

Another bill drafted in reaction to recent school shooting massacres has made its way out of the Virginia House of Delegates and is on the way to the state Senate.

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John Teller

Charlottesville, VA

#1 Jan 30, 2013
Most of the guards will be like the bank guard "Acea" on The Andy Griffith Show....You get what you pay for, and a comptent gunslinger demands a much higher salary than a teacher these days. Carry a gun, and hitting an actual human target under super high stress are rare qualities only a few have or know they have.
Normant

Black Canyon City, AZ

#2 Jan 30, 2013
Instead of wringing our hands about school safety its good to see something which might actually help improve school safety. Knowing that someone at the school might shoot back could keep the bad guys/crazies/evil ones from attempting to shoot up a school.

A logical plan instead of blaming the law abiding or the gun which has no ability to cause any damage by itself.
2ndammendmentY

Washington, DC

#3 Jan 30, 2013
John Teller wrote:
Most of the guards will be like the bank guard "Acea" on The Andy Griffith Show....You get what you pay for, and a comptent gunslinger demands a much higher salary than a teacher these days. Carry a gun, and hitting an actual human target under super high stress are rare qualities only a few have or know they have.
Completely agree. The thinking that more guns will solve this problem is simply ignorant. You don't solve ANY problem by throwing more of the problem at it. It's like trying to clean up spilled milk by pouring more milk on it. How could any parent feel comfortable sending their child to school knowing there's a gun there? Security guards? Really? I think we all know that Mr. Part time security guard will be much more interested in the snack/drink machines, taking a nap, or checking out the hot teacher. Not just a bad idea, but a really, really stupid one.
comment

Farmville, VA

#4 Jan 31, 2013
We've needed security for some time in public schools. The chances of a mass shooting at a school are incredibly remote, but escorting an unruly student out of the classroom, breaking up fights, intimidation of students in the hallways, etc., is quite common.

I recall my school days when loud and obnoxious students dared the teacher to remove them physically. A weapon isn't needed in these situations, but it's nice to have a dedicated security officer to do the dirty work.
democracy

Charlottesville, VA

#5 Jan 31, 2013
Stupid is as stupid does.
Lady Love

Bethesda, MD

#6 Jan 31, 2013
In my opinion, there should be more than one armed guard providing security to all schools. I think more should be done to ensure the safety of our children, for example:--> All doors should be locked at schools and guests/parents should be buzzed in after stating their name and reason for their visit...
Common Sense

Charlottesville, VA

#7 Jan 31, 2013
You do realize that this bill simply reverses a code prohibiting hired security guards to carry guns in private schools and private daycare centers. " It would allow hired security guards to carry guns inside private schools or day care centers in the commonwealth. That is currently prohibited in the Virginia code."
It doesn't apply to public schools.
School Resource Officers are employed by Law Enforcement and have become scarce due to cuts in the budgets. That's where the answer lies.
County Resident

Raleigh, NC

#8 Jan 31, 2013
Common Sense wrote:
You do realize that this bill simply reverses a code prohibiting hired security guards to carry guns in private schools and private daycare centers. " It would allow hired security guards to carry guns inside private schools or day care centers in the commonwealth. That is currently prohibited in the Virginia code."
It doesn't apply to public schools.
School Resource Officers are employed by Law Enforcement and have become scarce due to cuts in the budgets. That's where the answer lies.
You are exactly right. There is no money for these guards in public schools unless people want to pay higher taxes. By the way, there were no guards on the school bus in Alabama yesterday when the crazy 70 year old kidnapped a 5 year old at gunpoint. Should we put guards on all school busses? Think how much that will cost. Of course all schools should have the choice whether or not to put a Resource Officer in the school. My son's high school always had one. You have to think about the cost involved and what choice you want to make.
Colt 45

Charlottesville, VA

#9 Jan 31, 2013
County Resident wrote:
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You are exactly right. There is no money for these guards in public schools unless people want to pay higher taxes. By the way, there were no guards on the school bus in Alabama yesterday when the crazy 70 year old kidnapped a 5 year old at gunpoint. Should we put guards on all school busses? Think how much that will cost. Of course all schools should have the choice whether or not to put a Resource Officer in the school. My son's high school always had one. You have to think about the cost involved and what choice you want to make.
So tell us what price is to much for protecting school kids.
WTH

United States

#10 Jan 31, 2013
2ndammendmentY wrote:
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Completely agree. The thinking that more guns will solve this problem is simply ignorant. You don't solve ANY problem by throwing more of the problem at it. It's like trying to clean up spilled milk by pouring more milk on it. How could any parent feel comfortable sending their child to school knowing there's a gun there? Security guards? Really? I think we all know that Mr. Part time security guard will be much more interested in the snack/drink machines, taking a nap, or checking out the hot teacher. Not just a bad idea, but a really, really stupid one.
What is your solution for keeping kids and school staff safe while in school?
Packin Pappa

Atlanta, GA

#11 Jan 31, 2013
A simple answer to the whole problem would be to rescind the law that allows concealed carry permit holders to carry in public schools. Best part is it won't cost the nation one cent. Yes more guns are the answer, it's called a deterrent. These crazy folks target schools because they know they'll not be met with force. It'll take another gun to stop a killer with one. If the killers know that someone may be carrying, they may decide not to attack a school.
I've had a carry permit for 15 years, and my pistol has never jumped out and shot someone.
sez you

Charlottesville, VA

#12 Jan 31, 2013
WTH wrote:
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What is your solution for keeping kids and school staff safe while in school?
Easy, get rid of All guns, problem solved.
Native

Charlottesville, VA

#13 Jan 31, 2013
sez you wrote:
<quoted text>Easy, get rid of All guns, problem solved.
Ok short sighed one.....
Those who use guns to wreak havoc on our society will then become busy creating other means of doing so. Sharping sticks, affixing pointed stones large and small to sticks big and small to mention a few of the historical methods of dispensing with each other.
The problem is not the guns dip; the problem is that people have a bend to killing each other. A gun will stay where placed and never harm anyone until someone picks it up. Does this help you understand the root of the problem?
JMK

Miamisburg, OH

#14 Jan 31, 2013
2ndammendmentY wrote:
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Completely agree. The thinking that more guns will solve this problem is simply ignorant. You don't solve ANY problem by throwing more of the problem at it. It's like trying to clean up spilled milk by pouring more milk on it. How could any parent feel comfortable sending their child to school knowing there's a gun there? Security guards? Really? I think we all know that Mr. Part time security guard will be much more interested in the snack/drink machines, taking a nap, or checking out the hot teacher. Not just a bad idea, but a really, really stupid one.
You misidentify the problem. Firearms are not the problem, murderers are the problem, and an armed guard will make a potential murder think twice. I would also call your attention to the bill itself. It does not make it mandatory for schools to have an armed guard. It just enables them to do so, if they see a need to. There are a number of private schools around the country with armed guards, and in fact, most college and community college campuses have their own armed guards as well.
JMK

Miamisburg, OH

#15 Jan 31, 2013
Packin Pappa wrote:
A simple answer to the whole problem would be to rescind the law that allows concealed carry permit holders to carry in public schools. Best part is it won't cost the nation one cent. Yes more guns are the answer, it's called a deterrent. These crazy folks target schools because they know they'll not be met with force. It'll take another gun to stop a killer with one. If the killers know that someone may be carrying, they may decide not to attack a school.
I've had a carry permit for 15 years, and my pistol has never jumped out and shot someone.
Armed security guards are an extremely good idea. So are concealed carry permits, because they enable self-defense and have a significant crime-deterrent effect. Armed teachers, however, are not a good idea, because a school distinct and uniquely situated from the average public forum that concealed carry is designed for. First, such a policy would expose the schools to incredible amounts of liability, and would wreak insurance havoc. Second, most teachers don't want to have to worry about keeping up with their firearm in class. One more stressor for them. You can only imagine a bunch of first graders trying to catch a glimpse of the teacher's firearm, or even trying to steal it. If you don't remember from gradeschool, kids try to steal stuff all the time. Third, imagine the teacher you got along with the least in high school, and now arm that teacher. You might argue that the firearm would be concealed, but you know things get around in a school. It would be about a month and everyone would know which teachers were packing. It would make teachers extremely intimidating and would likely stifle academic dialogue and effective learning. Fourth, imagine a deranged student who tries to steal a teacher's concealed firearm. Most CCP holders have never been trained in weapon retention techniques. Then you have a struggle over a firearm between a teacher and a deranged student. An armed guard, however, or several, dedicated to security, who the students know are there for their protection, who openly carries not only a firearm, but various less-than-lethal alternatives like a Taser and pepper spray, and has rules of engagement, etc., is a much better solution, and a much better crime deterrent in a school.
Just Checking

Brooklyn, NY

#16 Jan 31, 2013
sez you wrote:
<quoted text>Easy, get rid of All guns, problem solved.
You get rid of your firearms if you wish, but do not dictate what myserlf or other law abiding citizens do. You never answered my question...what is the police response time for the town of Waterhead?
Saint Vamp

London, Canada

#17 Jan 31, 2013
Give teachers back some disciplinary actions, suspend and expell students commiting violent crimes and then test them for home schooling and if they fail those tests, charge the parents/guardians with negligence and hefty fines.

Nothing wrong with securtiy in schools but not daily the same ones.... disrespect and verbel abuse get to everyone (period). Regardless if you are a "professional" in your field or not!!!!

Increase penalties for gun crimes, not legislation in restrictions or more permitting etc. Make the ones using firearms for criminal behaviour pay the price.... 10 years reduced to 4-6 for good behaviour and such... please. Increase the punishment not the laws! The only thing the laws are good for are the law abiding citizens and the more you restrict them the greater chance of "crime" happening... "oh no, they didn't cross that 't'... we'll fine him and give him a ten year ban from firearms cause he is obviously trying to lie on his forms... Increasing the laws, increase those they call criminals.

Oh well, they are politicians, they won't get it right, they have to keep themselves in business.
DID YOU HEAR THAT

East Lansing, MI

#18 Jan 31, 2013
If the money is available the local police and sheriff could set these up as off duty details.
Chuck

Charlottesville, VA

#19 Jan 31, 2013
sez you wrote:
<quoted text>Easy, get rid of All guns, problem solved.
sez you!!
Veteran

Charlottesville, VA

#20 Jan 31, 2013
sez you wrote:
<quoted text>Easy, get rid of All guns, problem solved.
Isn't that what Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Mao Tse Tung and Pol Pot said just before they slaughtered millions of their own countrymen?

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