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Kroger Gun Stunt Sparks 2nd Amendment Debate

There are 336 comments on the NBC29 Charlottesville story from Jan 25, 2013, titled Kroger Gun Stunt Sparks 2nd Amendment Debate. In it, NBC29 Charlottesville reports that:

Charlottesville police say a man's motive for carrying a loaded gun into a Kroger grocery store was to make a point about his rights.

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JSCville

Charlottesville, VA

#1 Jan 28, 2013
Stunt is right! I am a gun owner and even I have to agree this was a stunt.

And considering the note found in his pocket, I start to wonder if this stunt is/was some type of prelude to a lawsuit.

You can't fix stupid!
flabergasted

Ruckersville, VA

#2 Jan 28, 2013
Obviously this individual has deep-rooted psychological problems, and is crying out for attention. A note in his pocket shows his intent to stir up trouble, or cause concern from the public. Perhaps he was hoping someone would act- and then he could get a book or movie deal/perhaps litigation to receive funds- if his 2d Amendment Rights were violated. Many individuals carry concealed, but don't have to 'show off' for attention. This man has obvious issues...too many for the police to handle. Fortunately for him, there was no concealed handgun owner that felt threatened by this careless behavior. I do hope he seeks and gets professional assistance with his problems.
Deputy Dawg

Cumming, GA

#3 Jan 28, 2013
The note was clearly in his pocket so as to establish his intent if the police showed up and falsely arrested him. Without the note it's possible a judge may not believe his intent after the arrest. I don't think he intended to be shot, that's just plain silly.
Concerned Mom

Charlottesville, VA

#4 Jan 28, 2013
He is really narcissistic and stupid. That situation could have been so much worse. He has not compassion about what has happened in Conn. or anywhere else. He should have been arrested....but can you arrest for stupidity?
Deputy Dawg

Cumming, GA

#5 Jan 28, 2013
JSCville wrote:
And considering the note found in his pocket, I start to wonder if this stunt is/was some type of prelude to a lawsuit.
I am starting to believe this too. The forums on the opencarry.org web site deals with mistakes cop often make in open carry situations and the resulting lawsuits. The members have even been known to solicit and accept donations in helping other members sue the police over false arrests.
Sonny

Charlottesville, VA

#6 Jan 28, 2013
The note in the pocket could also indicate he was hoping someone would shoot him. Suicide by cop or armed bystander is not unheard of.
Deputy Dawg

Cumming, GA

#7 Jan 28, 2013
flabergasted wrote:
Obviously this individual has deep-rooted psychological problems, and is crying out for attention. A note in his pocket shows his intent to stir up trouble, or cause concern from the public.
Where did you read all of this "stir up trouble" and "cause concern from the public" at? The police found a note in his pocket spelling out his intent to express his 2nd Amendment rights.
jaydee

Johnson City, TN

#8 Jan 28, 2013
Since this idiot cannot be charged criminally, I think Kroger should go after him civilly for disrupting their business and loss of revenue for the couple of hrs. the police were probably there to resolve the issue. Kroger probably won't pursue this because it's easier for a big corp. to write off a small loss, but a civil judgment against this fool would continue to run in the courts and who knows, someday he may own something of value or win the lottery, at which time Kroger could collect and donate it to charity. I do not think this conduct should go unpunished. By the way, I am a gun owner and carry concealed, but have no sympathy for grandstanders.
Reality

Charlottesville, VA

#9 Jan 28, 2013
This was one off duty cop buying groceries, one security guard getting back from his smoke break, one concealed permit w/ a hero complex away from being an absolute blood bath. I own a good number of guns, and I've read the 2nd amendment--to the best of my knowledge it says "well regulated militia" not "it's okay to bring a loaded AR-15 into Kroger." If Obama's goons come to take away everyone's guns (har har), this guy should be the first on their list. Get a DUI, you loose your license to drive--bring a loaded AR-15 into Kroger, well you've more or less proved that you should NOT be allowed to own guns. You're too damn dumb. BTW, I have no idea why the cops didn't arrest him for disturbing the peace, because that's certainly what he did. When you've sent shoppers fleeing to the parking lot to call 911, you're disturbing the peace--no matter what the 2nd amendment says. And anyone defending this guy is a big of a moron as he is./fact

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Me myself and I

Charlottesville, VA

#10 Jan 28, 2013
Deputy Dawg wrote:
The note was clearly in his pocket so as to establish his intent if the police showed up and falsely arrested him. Without the note it's possible a judge may not believe his intent after the arrest. I don't think he intended to be shot, that's just plain silly.
Wouldn't any potential criminal then simply carry a note 'to establish his intent'?

His actions speak louder than the words on the note. They were foolish and put himself and others in danger.
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#11 Jan 28, 2013
haha, even the POLICE don't know how to handle this situation

"Police drew their guns on the 22-year-old man after witnesses reported he brought a gun into the store. They restrained him to do a background check and released him after they found he did nothing illegal. "

Yeah, we're prepared.
Concerned Mom

Charlottesville, VA

#12 Jan 28, 2013
huck wrote:
haha, even the POLICE don't know how to handle this situation
"Police drew their guns on the 22-year-old man after witnesses reported he brought a gun into the store. They restrained him to do a background check and released him after they found he did nothing illegal. "
Yeah, we're prepared.
He seriously should have been arrested. Someone, including a child, could have been seriously injured. He is an idiot.
Aurizen

Douglasville, GA

#13 Jan 28, 2013
Actually huck, legally the police couldn't do ANYTHING to him until they verified what was going on. The gentleman in question could have filed a suit against the police if they had shot him. And he would have pointed to his note as 'proof' that nothing untoward was going to happen.

I feel for the cops for having to deal with this gentleman's 'stunt'. But I guess it's a good thing to waste the time of LEO's, most of who are trying to do their jobs and come home safely each night.

Good thing he didn't try this stunt in my former home state of NJ, he'd probably be either in the hospital with multiple gunshot wounds or 6 feet under.
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#14 Jan 28, 2013
Concerned Mom wrote:
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He seriously should have been arrested. Someone, including a child, could have been seriously injured. He is an idiot.
If they're gonna restrain him they should figure out in advance on what grounds.
Redneck for Obama

Charlottesville, VA

#15 Jan 28, 2013
If he was another race he would have gotten shot. I as a gun owner learned as a kid guns are not toys, or props. He clearly is irresponsible trash and needs to have it taken away. Let's all now run into the mall screaming Lil Wayne for president loudly while shouting the first amendment.
Outraged

Warren, MI

#16 Jan 28, 2013
Thia man is a coward and a jackass. My children and I just left the store as the police were pulling in and people were fleeing. My 6 year old was in tears as I tried to coax her onto the bus this morning. Your 2nd amendment rights does not give you the right to make me or my children feel unsafe at the freaking grocery store or anywhere else for that matter.
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#17 Jan 28, 2013
Aurizen wrote:
The gentleman in question could have filed a suit against the police
he still can
they had no right to restrain him
Common Sense

Charlottesville, VA

#18 Jan 28, 2013
"So now we can't tell the difference between a Second Amendment protester and a murderous lunatic. Thank you NRA."

It's time for the NRA to "Stand Their Ground" and denounce this type of behavior just as Mr. Davis did.
Joe

Charlottesville, VA

#19 Jan 28, 2013
This is a great example of why background checks should be done on people before they can have guns. If he didn't get himself shot, he could have caused a riot & people could have been injured all because he wanted to "make a point". He's clearly got some mental issues going on & he's a perfect example of who should NOT have a gun.
Helen Hevener

Staunton, VA

#20 Jan 28, 2013
All I am saying is this man is lucky that some cop with an itchy trigger finger wasnt the one to answer the police call. Somebody inside a store - with a loaded AR15- would have looked to many cops like a situation getting ready to spiral out of control. The man can count himself lucky that the oops didnt take a shot at him- seems to me he was asking for trouble!!!

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