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Albemarle Schools Discuss School Bus Cameras

There are 41 comments on the NBC29 Charlottesville story from May 9, 2013, titled Albemarle Schools Discuss School Bus Cameras. In it, NBC29 Charlottesville reports that:

Dozens of people in Albemarle County are illegally driving their vehicles around school buses - according to what cameras on two buses showed in a pilot study conducted by the schools.

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Intelligence

Crozet, VA

#1 May 10, 2013
Now please tell me whic is more important a child's life and safety or their privacy?! If it takes you longer then a second to answer their safety is more important something is wrong!!
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#2 May 10, 2013
what's to discuss?
privacy?
are they having sex?
jfhfgdg

Roanoke, VA

#3 May 10, 2013
All buses already have cameras on the inside of the busses for behavior issues, so its not the bus drivers word vs. the childs... I dont see how an additional camera would change this at all to ensure their safety...

“Equal Opportunity Not Results!”

Since: Nov 08

Charlottesville

#4 May 10, 2013
Intelligence wrote:
Now please tell me whic is more important a child's life and safety or their privacy?! If it takes you longer then a second to answer their safety is more important something is wrong!!
Tell me this, how will a camera prevent people from driving around a bus when the lights are flashing? The only thing it will do is possibly catch the driver so that thy can be prosecuted.
Student Safety

Crozet, VA

#5 May 10, 2013
These cameras record the image of other vehicles that illegally pass stopped school buses while children are getting on or off the bus. This is a major problem in Albemarle County, and the police would be able to issue tickets from the video images. Ultimately we hope driver behavior will change and reduce the risk to our children.

Do we need a tragedy to get our elected officials to endorse this program, which is allowed by the law in Virginia?

http://keenerlaw.com/accidents/mariettas-toug...
Concerned

Crozet, VA

#6 May 10, 2013
I am okay with the cameras who catch drivers. I agree that children should be safe. However I can understand the frustration when buses stop and wait and wait for students to exit out of houses in Old Trail to meet the bus. Parents should already be at the stops. Also have witnessed parents in Old Trail climbing on the buses to have last minute conversations with their little darlings. Sometimes longer conversations. Perhaps clearer rules would be a help for everyone.
Makayla Snyder

Crozet, VA

#7 May 10, 2013
I'm a student at Western Albemarle High School, and since I'm a sophomore I still ride the bus. I live on a road where the speed limit is normal at 50 mph. I've had a car speed past the bus when I'm getting off to walk up my driveway, and I was afraid that it would hit me.
If we got cameras on the bus to record people who violate the law, I would feel safer because, in the long run, it will encourage people to follow the law and stop for buses loading and unloading students. I don't see how they would compromise my privacy.
I agree with the plan to equip another bus with a traffic camera.
RNR

Charlottesville, VA

#8 May 10, 2013
Concerned wrote:
I am okay with the cameras who catch drivers. I agree that children should be safe. However I can understand the frustration when buses stop and wait and wait for students to exit out of houses in Old Trail to meet the bus. Parents should already be at the stops. Also have witnessed parents in Old Trail climbing on the buses to have last minute conversations with their little darlings. Sometimes longer conversations. Perhaps clearer rules would be a help for everyone.
that happens here in the city too, its just plain thoughtless of the kids and their parents. I lay on the horn when the kids is walking at a snail's pace a block away from the bus that is waiting. The bus should leave their butts
Really People

Crozet, VA

#9 May 10, 2013
Privacy? You want privacy while breaking the law? Why do you need clearer rules? You take the drivers test and sign on the line stating you will follow the "rules". People who pass these buses have no regard for the student's safety or lives. However, if another driver broke the rules and hit THEIR child, they would be the first ones to file a lawsuit. If you're in that big of a hurry, leave 5 minutes early and you will miss the buses!It truly amazing me sometimes how stupid and thoughtless people are!
hondacivic

Charlottesville, VA

#10 May 10, 2013
C-Ville Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>Tell me this, how will a camera prevent people from driving around a bus when the lights are flashing? The only thing it will do is possibly catch the driver so that thy can be prosecuted.
That must be your favorite argument. If it won't stop it, why try? You must honestly be for a lawless society. There is not a single law that will stop anything. It is a deterrent. Perhaps these individuals that look at stopping for a school bus as an inconvenience get a ticket, they will think about it the next time. Or we could just say why bother if you can't completely stop it. Is watching kids die a hobby of yours?
real central va Marine

Crozet, VA

#11 May 10, 2013
hondacivic wrote:
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That must be your favorite argument. If it won't stop it, why try? You must honestly be for a lawless society. There is not a single law that will stop anything. It is a deterrent. Perhaps these individuals that look at stopping for a school bus as an inconvenience get a ticket, they will think about it the next time. Or we could just say why bother if you can't completely stop it. Is watching kids die a hobby of yours?
It's ALREADY against the law to pass a school bus with its lights flashing. This just makes it easier for the county to ticket you...like those red light cameras at Rio/Hyd and 29.
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#12 May 10, 2013
C-Ville Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>Tell me this, how will a camera prevent people from driving around a bus when the lights are flashing? The only thing it will do is possibly catch the driver so that thy can be prosecuted.
you answered your own question
A person

Buckingham, VA

#13 May 10, 2013
Student Safety wrote:
These cameras record the image of other vehicles that illegally pass stopped school buses while children are getting on or off the bus. This is a major problem in Albemarle County, and the police would be able to issue tickets from the video images. Ultimately we hope driver behavior will change and reduce the risk to our children.
Do we need a tragedy to get our elected officials to endorse this program, which is allowed by the law in Virginia?
http://keenerlaw.com/accidents/mariettas-toug...
So let me get this straight. What you are saying is that by having cameras installed somewhere on the buses (not visible to a driver), it will lead to a change in driver behavior, thus preventing a tragedy?

You are making assumption after assumption on this.

IN reality, all it will do is cost us a lot more in taxes and there would virtually no way to know if it has made any productive change - there is no way to measure those statistics since there isn't data to compare anything to. You are merely supporting this as a way of detterence from mere speculation and for the record, the VAST majority of driver's in Albemarle County will not even know the cameras are there so there would zero change in behavior.
A person

Buckingham, VA

#14 May 10, 2013
How many children have been hit by this so called "problem" in Albemarle County over the last 5-10 years?

If the answer is =/>1, we should not be wasting tax money on this. That is my personal opinion, and that is how I would vote.
huck

Charlottesville, VA

#15 May 10, 2013
A person wrote:
<quoted text>
So let me get this straight. What you are saying is that by having cameras installed somewhere on the buses (not visible to a driver), it will lead to a change in driver behavior, thus preventing a tragedy?
You are making assumption after assumption on this.
IN reality, all it will do is cost us a lot more in taxes and there would virtually no way to know if it has made any productive change - there is no way to measure those statistics since there isn't data to compare anything to. You are merely supporting this as a way of detterence from mere speculation and for the record, the VAST majority of driver's in Albemarle County will not even know the cameras are there so there would zero change in behavior.
Well at least we'll get some money from you for passing all those buses.
Hmmm

Silver Spring, MD

#16 May 10, 2013
Makayla Snyder wrote:
I'm a student at Western Albemarle High School, and since I'm a sophomore I still ride the bus. I live on a road where the speed limit is normal at 50 mph. I've had a car speed past the bus when I'm getting off to walk up my driveway, and I was afraid that it would hit me.
If we got cameras on the bus to record people who violate the law, I would feel safer because, in the long run, it will encourage people to follow the law and stop for buses loading and unloading students. I don't see how they would compromise my privacy.
I agree with the plan to equip another bus with a traffic camera.
Wondering why you are online reading this when you should be in class? Perhaps mom/dad wrote on your behalf as does not sound like a teenager?
A person

Buckingham, VA

#17 May 10, 2013
huck wrote:
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Well at least we'll get some money from you for passing all those buses.
As with every initiative like this, it will be forever anchored in the red. We will NEVER make the money back.

So, again, this is a lose lose.
Liberalace

Kents Store, VA

#18 May 10, 2013
A person wrote:
How many children have been hit by this so called "problem" in Albemarle County over the last 5-10 years?
If the answer is =/>1, we should not be wasting tax money on this. That is my personal opinion, and that is how I would vote.
Let's do some math...
Average annual students who ride buses in the last 10 years is 9,500 per day (current school enrollment is about 13,000)
Number of incidents of kids getting on or off a bus per day by school buses? Let's say 3,000 (some multiple kids off at one stop) x twice a day x 180 school days per year = total stops per year x 10 years = 10,800,000
In 10,800,000 total stops in ten years, how many kids have been struck by vehicles getting on or off a bus?

Even if I am off by half, that is still over 5 million incidents in a decade and virtually no accidents.

R.I.P.: Francis Bavier

“Equal Opportunity Not Results!”

Since: Nov 08

Charlottesville

#19 May 10, 2013
huck wrote:
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you answered your own question
I know, some see it as a deterrent to control human behavior. Sort of like the ultimate deterrent (death penalty) was supposed to curb capitol murders.
A person

Buckingham, VA

#20 May 10, 2013
Liberalace wrote:
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Let's do some math...
Average annual students who ride buses in the last 10 years is 9,500 per day (current school enrollment is about 13,000)
Number of incidents of kids getting on or off a bus per day by school buses? Let's say 3,000 (some multiple kids off at one stop) x twice a day x 180 school days per year = total stops per year x 10 years = 10,800,000
In 10,800,000 total stops in ten years, how many kids have been struck by vehicles getting on or off a bus?
Even if I am off by half, that is still over 5 million incidents in a decade and virtually no accidents.
R.I.P.: Francis Bavier
In sum, this is a waste of [email protected]*&%$ng money.

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