A step toward immigration reform

[FlappittyYappity]

lil mom wrote:

the immigration problem is a joke instead of admiting the economy is the republican parties fault or the war on terror. lets blame the people with a tan. oh and if they have a job and need help anyway give them my number im a real christian ill let them earn every dime they need

Pay them?

That won't do you any good. No illegal would touch you - even they have standards.

[little lulu]

lil mom wrote:

hey i think they should deport all the idiots who voted for bush and send them to mexico.

you're pretty sharp, aren't you? can't deport people who are here legally, genius

[FlappittyYappity]

little lulu wrote:

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you're pretty sharp, aren't you? can't deport people who are here legally, genius

Can you believe that her kind are allowed to procreate?

Margaret Sanger was right on the nose about eugenics.

“Discouraging reproduction by persons presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits.”

[lil mom]

little lulu wrote:

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you're pretty sharp, aren't you? can't deport people who are here legally, genius

.and you are stupid enough to not see a joke when its right in front of your face

[The beat goes on]

lil mom wrote:

the immigration problem is a joke instead of admiting the economy is the republican parties fault or the war on terror. lets blame the people with a tan. oh and if they have a job and need help anyway give them my number im a real christian ill let them earn every dime they need

Please tell us how the state of the economy is all the Rep. party's fault. I'm terribly interested in knowing your reasons.

[Cricket 23]

Jose wrote:

<quoted text> It is called LOYALTY, something you gringo fools know very little about.

Loyalty above their American citizenship? Thanks.

[Cricket 23]

little lulu wrote:

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i don't know who you've been talking to, but like all law-abiding american citizens, they're against it.

Wrong! most Hispanic Americans support them.

Immigration advocates call on Obama for reform and a halt to
raids

Posted: 1:20 PM- WASHINGTON - Dozens of immigrant advocates from
across the country convened in Washington on Tuesday to call on
President-elect Barack Obama to halt immigration raids, fulfill campaign
pledges to revamp the nation's immigration system and offer the nation's
estimated 12 million illegal immigrants a path to citizenship within his
first year in office.
The coalition, which includes activists from Los Angeles,
New York and the Washington area, also announced plans to mobilize tens of
thousands of immigrants and their supporters for a demonstration on the Mall
on Jan. 21, the day after Obama's inauguration.
"We voted in the millions and now we're going to demand
progress in the millions," said Angelica Salas, director of the Coalition
for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles, at a news conference to
publicize the coalition's efforts.
The last attempt to pass an immigration overhaul in Congress
foundered in the spring of 2007 amid a storm of angry phone calls from
constituents complaining that the measure amounted to an unacceptable
"amnesty" for "lawbreakers." And several members of the coalition
acknowledged today that the tanking economy had further complicated their
goals.
However they said they were also confident that the record
turnout of Latino and immigrant voters in last week's elections would
translate into greater political clout on the Hill.
Two-thirds of the Latino vote went to Obama, compared with
barely more than half for Democratic nominee Sen. John Kerry in the 2004
presidential race. Latinos, who tend to favor the path to legalization plan,
proved particularly helpful to Obama and other Democrats in the three
battleground states of Nevada, New Mexico and Colorado.
"Historically we've never had legislative progress on
immigration during an economic recession," said Chung-Wha Hong, executive
director of the New York Immigration Coalition.
"On the other hand we've never had these kinds of numbers
turn out at the polls.... The immigrant and Latino vote has permanently
established itself as part of the electoral calculus."

[Cricket 23]

Von Baron wrote:

No one seems to take in to account how many illegal aliens who are working and using false Social Security numbers are paying taxes the same as everyone else.

Not everyone on welfare is mexican and really how much money could be sent out of this country after paying the cost of living in the US do you really think it would be alot.

Social Security Agreement with Mexico Released After 3-1/2 Year Freedom of Information Act Battle

Illegal Mexican Workers Could Receive Billions of Dollars from U.S. Social Security System

January 4, 2007 (Washington, DC)– After numerous refusals over three and a half years, the Social Security Administration (SSA) has released the first known public copy of the U.S.-Mexico Social Security Totalization Agreement. The government made the disclosure in response to lawsuits filed under the Freedom of Information Act by TREA Senior Citizens League, a 1.2 million member nonpartisan seniors advocacy group.

The Totalization Agreement could allow millions of illegal Mexican workers to draw billions of dollars from the U.S. Social Security Trust Fund.

A loophole in current Social Security law could allow millions of today's Mexican workers to eventually collect billions of dollars worth of Social Security benefits for earnings under fraudulent or "non-work authorized" Social Security numbers, putting huge new pressures on the Social Security Trust Fund.

If an illegal worker working in the United States today gets a "work authorized" Social Security number through guest worker immigration legislation, the Totalization Agreement, or perhaps just over time, that worker could eventually apply for Social Security benefits once he or she has met eligibility requirements.

In addition, that worker could be able to claim credits for work performed while in the U.S. illegally. The SSA maintains an "earnings suspense file," which tracks wages that cannot be posted to individual workers' records because there is no match for a name and Social Security number. Once an immigrant gains access to a work authorized Social Security number – whether a legal citizen or not – wages earned while in the U.S. unlawfully could be reinstated to the worker's new Social Security account.

The Congressional Research Service reports the earnings suspense file currently stands at approximately $520 billion. According to the congressional testimony of SSA Inspector General Patrick P. O'Carroll in February 2006, "We believe the chief cause of wage items being posted to the earnings suspense file instead of an individual's earning record is unauthorized work by non citizens."

Source:

Inter-American Development Bank, March 2006 report,“Remittance 2005”. Mexico remains the largest recipient of remittances, at over US$20 billion, followed by Brazil and Columbia which for the first time reached over US$6 and US$4 billion respectively. Central America and the Dominican Republic combined to reach over US$11 billion; and the Andean countries totaled almost US$9 billion.

http://www.iadb.org/mif/v2/files/guemez_remit...

As much as 50% of remittances are unreported. As published in the Development Prospect Group Briefing #3, "This amount only reflects transfers through official channels. Econometric analysis suggests that unrecorded flows through informal channels may add 50 percent or more to recorded flows. Including these unrecorded flows, the true size of remittances, is larger than foreign direct investment flows and more than twice as large as official aid received by developing countries."

http://siteresources.worldbank.org/INTPROSPEC...

[Cricket 23]

Von Baron wrote:

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Give me a BREAK I would like to see whereyou got your info was it an UN-NAMED SOURCE HA HA

California's Illegal Aliens Cost Taxpayers Nearly $9 Billion A Year


FAIR has released their latest report on the costs of illegal aliens to
taxpayers. The main costs are in education, health care and prison costs for
illegal aliens in jail.
North County Times

California's nearly 3 million illegal immigrants cost taxpayers nearly $9
billion each year, according to a new report released last week by the
Federation for American Immigration Reform, a Washington, D.C.-based group
that promotes stricter immigration policies.
Educating the children of illegal immigrants is the largest cost,
estimated at $7.7 billion each year, according to the report. Medical care
for illegal immigrants and incarceration of those who have committed crimes
are the next two largest expenses measured in the study, the author said.

...

Jack Martin, who wrote the report, said Thursday that the $9 billion
figure does not include other expenses that are difficult to measure, such
as special English instruction, school lunch programs, and welfare benefits
for American workers displaced by illegal immigrant workers.

"It's a bottom of the range number," Martin said.

FAIR drew from the U.S. Census report and other sources. This study matches
an earlier study By the Center for Immigration Reform(CIS) that I reported
on (see: "Latest Report: Illegal Aliens Cost Taxpayers $10 Billion A Year"
from Sep. 4, 2004). Of course you can't do any straight reporting on this
issue without having some pro illegal alien advocate group playing the race
card once again to justify the illegal behavior of these people who **** dry
our tax system and run emergency rooms into bankruptcy.

[Cricket 23]

Von Baron wrote:

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Give me a BREAK I would like to see whereyou got your info was it an UN-NAMED SOURCE HA HA

Deficit :

While Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has called for increases in the sales
tax and cuts in services to reduce the budget deficit of $11.2 billion, a
population group has noted that the shortfall is about the same as the costs
of illegal immigration to the state.
Californians for Population Stabilization (CAPS) says that a 2004 study
indicated that California's illegal alien population imposed a net cost of
$9 billion per year on the state's taxpayers just for education, medical
care and incarceration. "After adjusting the figure for current costs and
increases in the number of illegal aliens, it would exceed the state's
projected deficit," according to Diana Hull, the organization's president,
"and this is a very conservative estimate."
Other states are taking steps to reduce illegal immigration and the burdens
it imposes. Arizona, for instance, passed legislation requiring that
employers use the E-verify system to check the work eligibility of
employees. "Unfortunately, California is going the other direction, and
taxpayers get stuck with the bill," said Hull.
The costs of illegal immigration to California are likely much higher. A
2007 study by Philip J. Romero, formerly a research economist at RAND, top
economic adviser to Governor Pete Wilson and later Dean of the University of
Oregon School of Business, estimated that illegal aliens in California
receive somewhere between $10 and $38 billion more in state services than
they pay in state taxes.
Schwarzenegger has responded to the budget crisis by ordering a special
session of the state legislature to increase the sales tax by 1.5 percent,
increase other taxes, and cut funds for education.
"California needs a special session of the legislature to deal with the
problem of illegal immigration, beginning right now. If we don't stop
illegal immigration, the costs will continue to escalate, deficits will
continue to get larger and the tax burden will finally become unbearable,
causing residents and businesses to relocate," Hull said.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Califor... {F27711D3-5E6B-4F20-AE75-23279 4B069A1}

[Cricket 23]

Von Baron wrote:

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Give me a BREAK I would like to see whereyou got your info was it an UN-NAMED SOURCE HA HA

LOS ANGELES - Through their citizen children, illegal immigrants in Los
Angeles County collect $420 million annually in welfare and food stamps,
according to a report requested by 5th District County Supervisor Michael D.
Antonovich.

The Los Angeles County Department of Public Social Services told the
supervisor that payments to illegal immigrants' children amount to
approximately 24% of the county's combined CalWORKS and food stamps budget,
officials said.

"What we found was kind of astonishing," said Tony Bell, an Antonovich aide.

Each month, the county doles out $77 million in CalWORKS assistance,$20
million of which goes to the citizen dependent children of illegal
immigrants, said Helen Berberian, another Antonovich aide. CalWORKS is the
state's welfare-to-work program.

Along with CalWORKS assistance, the county approves $70 million every month
in food stamps, with $15 million going to legal children of illegal
immigrants, Berberian said.

The welfare payments go to nearly 100,000 children of 60,000 illegal
immigrants, Antonovich's staff said. His staff estimated that Los Angeles
County has almost 12% of the United States' illegal immigrant population.

[Cricket 23]

Please review the following report on the FISCAL COST OF IMMIGRATION by
economist Edwin Rubenstein just released this past week:
http://www.esrresearch.com/Rubensteinreport.p...

A partial summary of the report:

The Fiscal Impact on 15 Federal Departments surveyed was:$346 billion in
fiscal related costs in FY 2007.

Each immigrant cost taxpayers more than $9,000 per year.

An immigrant household (2 adults, 2 children) cost taxpayers $36,000 per
year.

Legal immigrants were not separated out from illegal immigrants for the
fiscal impact study, but if they had been, the fiscal cost per ILLEGAL
immigrant would be even more shocking than the figures quoted above.

The most extensive and authoritative study, prior to economist Edwin
Rubenstein's "The Fiscal Impact of Immigration" (April 200 , is the
National Research Council (NRC)'s The New Americans: Economic, Demographic
and Fiscal Effects of Immigration (1997).

The NRC staff analyzed federal, state, and local government expenditures on
programs such as Medicaid, AFDC (now TANF), and SSI, as well as the cost of
educating immigrants' foreign- and native-born children.

NRC found that the average immigrant household receives $13,326 in federal
annual expenditures and pays $10,664 in federal taxes-that is, they generate
a fiscal deficit of $2,682 (1996 dollars)per household.

In 2007 dollars this is a deficit of $3,408 per immigrant household.

With 9 million households currently headed by immigrants, more than $30
billion ($3,408 x 9 million) of the federal deficit represents money
transferred from native taxpayers to immigrants.

Our national immigration policies have to work for the United States. While
improving the plight of the world's poor is a laudable goal, the finite
resources we have available to fulfill that goal would be swamped if there
wasn't some orderly and manageable system in place to limit entry into the
United States to what this nation can actually support. The more illegal
aliens that are permitted to subvert the immigration system, the fewer
immigrants we can accommodate who might actually produce a positive benefit
for our country.

The more we become a nation of illegal immigrants, the deeper we fall into
anarchy.

[Immigration reform]

little lulu wrote:

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no more than we are arrogant according to your hero, barack. we are a land of laws and if we have to abide by them, why don't you? what makes you so special. what irritates and annoys many of us is that illegals come here, demand what they are not entitled to and have the cojones to tell US how to run OUR country. if you can be that politically active and demanding here, why can't you do that in your own country. go back and fix what's wrong there. we happen to like the way it is here

I paid tax and I don't have anything in return just because I am illegal, and I came here legally and no one help me with that,and my son is an american and he is in the navy so don't tell me I need to go back to my country if you like or not this is my country NOW, so back off people.

[Immigration reform]

Cricket 23 wrote:

Please review the following report on the FISCAL COST OF IMMIGRATION by
economist Edwin Rubenstein just released this past week:
http://www.esrresearch.com/Rubensteinreport.p...
A partial summary of the report:
The Fiscal Impact on 15 Federal Departments surveyed was:$346 billion in
fiscal related costs in FY 2007.
Each immigrant cost taxpayers more than $9,000 per year.
An immigrant household (2 adults, 2 children) cost taxpayers $36,000 per
year.
Legal immigrants were not separated out from illegal immigrants for the
fiscal impact study, but if they had been, the fiscal cost per ILLEGAL
immigrant would be even more shocking than the figures quoted above.
The most extensive and authoritative study, prior to economist Edwin
Rubenstein's "The Fiscal Impact of Immigration" (April 200 , is the
National Research Council (NRC)'s The New Americans: Economic, Demographic
and Fiscal Effects of Immigration (1997).
The NRC staff analyzed federal, state, and local government expenditures on
programs such as Medicaid, AFDC (now TANF), and SSI, as well as the cost of
educating immigrants' foreign- and native-born children.
NRC found that the average immigrant household receives $13,326 in federal
annual expenditures and pays $10,664 in federal taxes-that is, they generate
a fiscal deficit of $2,682 (1996 dollars)per household.
In 2007 dollars this is a deficit of $3,408 per immigrant household.
With 9 million households currently headed by immigrants, more than $30
billion ($3,408 x 9 million) of the federal deficit represents money
transferred from native taxpayers to immigrants.
Our national immigration policies have to work for the United States. While
improving the plight of the world's poor is a laudable goal, the finite
resources we have available to fulfill that goal would be swamped if there
wasn't some orderly and manageable system in place to limit entry into the
United States to what this nation can actually support. The more illegal
aliens that are permitted to subvert the immigration system, the fewer
immigrants we can accommodate who might actually produce a positive benefit
for our country.
The more we become a nation of illegal immigrants, the deeper we fall into
anarchy.

So is not our fault still immigration laws fault. Do something about it.

[Immigration reform]

Cricket 23 wrote:

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Wrong! most Hispanic Americans support them.
Immigration advocates call on Obama for reform and a halt to
raids
Posted: 1:20 PM- WASHINGTON - Dozens of immigrant advocates from
across the country convened in Washington on Tuesday to call on
President-elect Barack Obama to halt immigration raids, fulfill campaign
pledges to revamp the nation's immigration system and offer the nation's
estimated 12 million illegal immigrants a path to citizenship within his
first year in office.
The coalition, which includes activists from Los Angeles,
New York and the Washington area, also announced plans to mobilize tens of
thousands of immigrants and their supporters for a demonstration on the Mall
on Jan. 21, the day after Obama's inauguration.
"We voted in the millions and now we're going to demand
progress in the millions," said Angelica Salas, director of the Coalition
for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles, at a news conference to
publicize the coalition's efforts.
The last attempt to pass an immigration overhaul in Congress
foundered in the spring of 2007 amid a storm of angry phone calls from
constituents complaining that the measure amounted to an unacceptable
"amnesty" for "lawbreakers." And several members of the coalition
acknowledged today that the tanking economy had further complicated their
goals.
However they said they were also confident that the record
turnout of Latino and immigrant voters in last week's elections would
translate into greater political clout on the Hill.
Two-thirds of the Latino vote went to Obama, compared with
barely more than half for Democratic nominee Sen. John Kerry in the 2004
presidential race. Latinos, who tend to favor the path to legalization plan,
proved particularly helpful to Obama and other Democrats in the three
battleground states of Nevada, New Mexico and Colorado.
"Historically we've never had legislative progress on
immigration during an economic recession," said Chung-Wha Hong, executive
director of the New York Immigration Coalition.
"On the other hand we've never had these kinds of numbers
turn out at the polls.... The immigrant and Latino vote has permanently
established itself as part of the electoral calculus."

write don't copy...

[little lulu]

Immigration reform wrote:

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I paid tax and I don't have anything in return just because I am illegal, and I came here legally and no one help me with that,and my son is an american and he is in the navy so don't tell me I need to go back to my country if you like or not this is my country NOW, so back off people.

are you here legally or illegally? either way, you're still better off here than in your country of origin or you wouldn't've stayed

[zoozi]

See there you go bringing race and color into when is all those that disagree with you are saying is that those here illegally should be deported.

One has to wonder why the pro-illegal people are so focused on race and skin color.

Do you really believe that all of those here illegally have "tan" skin? They don't. On the subject of ignorance, the word is "herding", not "hurding".

lil mom wrote:

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nothing quite like flushing out the people with tans, rounding them up and hurding them out of sight were you don't ever have to worry your little head again.

[Immigration reform]

little lulu wrote:

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are you here legally or illegally? either way, you're still better off here than in your country of origin or you wouldn't've stayed

This is not none of your business, I didn't came here because I didn't have money in my country or because my country is poor or not, I came here because I want to visit and my son was born here so I stayed and I do love this Country

[zoozi]

Bush was very much for legalizing illegal immigrants.

You might want to go look at the polls from that time. Bush would have won by a landslide if the people that voted for him were all against illegal immigration.

A 2001 Harris Interactive opinion poll:
By a 60 percent to 29 percent margin, Americans oppose the idea proposed by Democrats of granting amnesty to the estimated 6 million to 11 million illegal aliens residing in the United States. The poll also found that the public rejects President Bush's proposal to give a more limited amnesty to some 3 million illegal immigrants from Mexico, by a 59 percent to 31 percent margin.

lil mom wrote:

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because they are stupid...they think that if all the illegals go home a magic wonder will occure and all will be right in thier world.
The truth is this is completely thier fault voting for that hillbilly bush was thier fault he killed the economy with his little gas company friends.
but hey now they are getting what they deserve Obama. hahaha
it will take a few years but i can't wait

[zoozi]

I thought this was interesting, and somewhat explains why so much illegal immigration comes from Mexico.

"A June, 2002 Zogby poll:

58 percent of Mexicans agree with the statement, "The territory of the United States' southwest rightfully belongs to Mexico." 28 percent disagreed, and 14 percent were unsure.

57 percent, a similar number, agreed with the statement that "Mexicans should have the right to enter the U.S. without U.S. permission." 35 percent disagreed and 7 percent were unsure.

Yet 58 percent of Americans want the government to admit fewer immigrants each year. 30 percent want to keep immigration at current levels and 6 percent want to admit more.

65 percent of Americans don't support granting amnesty to illegal aliens.

68 percent agreed that U.S. troops should be temporarily deployed along the U.S. border. "