Gathering Place: Ship law protects Am...

Gathering Place: Ship law protects Americans

There are 8 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Apr 13, 2008, titled Gathering Place: Ship law protects Americans. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

Ship law protects Americans from unfair foreign competition A second U.S. flag cruise ship is leaving Hawaii, focusing attention on a pending federal rule that would enforce existing laws intended to protect ...

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Big Okole

Norfolk, VA

#1 Apr 13, 2008
The Jones act is outdated and needs to be modified to allow US flagged ships to be foreign built.

Ships traveling between US ports need to be US flagged and be on US built hulls yet we have US flagged airlines using foreign made airliners.

"But the state's own data suggests just the opposite, showing that a single U.S. flag cruise ship generates 3.5 times the economic benefits of the entire foreign flag cruise fleet in Hawaii."

What data is the state talking about? The last U.S. flag cruise ship that visited the state was probably the Lurline.

So what if the cruise ship is foreign flagged, the tourist still spend money in the islands on tours and in Waikiki.
RsH

Canada

#2 Apr 13, 2008
Horsefeathers. The cost of losing the foreign ships is far greater than the loss of the Norwegian Cruise Lines ships, which are run via a U.S. subsidiary of a NON-U.S. company in the first place! The losses from the many thousands of visitors off those many foreign cruise ships will far exceed the gains from the passengers of the two ships that have been removed to other subsidiaries of NCL. On top of that, the reputation of the crews on those 'American' flagged ships was atrocious. They were surly, ungracious, and basically acted as if they were equal to the passengers on ths cruises, which annoyed many passengers. As a result those ships have an awful reputation among cruise ship clients and sales agents, making it hard to fill the cabins. Foreign cruise ships have non-U.S. crew who appreciate the wages, conditions, etc., while U.S. flagged ships only have U.S. crew members, who clearly do NOT appreciate the wages. U.S. flagged cruise ships are doomed if this attitude is prevalent among crew, and unfortunately, that seems to apply... so no loss except to NCL. Look at the whole picture and the suggested rules for American flagged ships indeed STINK and will only cost the U.S. a lot of cruises and money, not only in Hawaii, but also for cruises out of Florida, New York, Balitmore, Seattle, and other ports... for the same reason... it is a lousy idea to try to save a U.S. Cruise Ship when there is no good way to crew it or serve customers except at costs no one is willing to pay.
manini

Honolulu, HI

#3 Apr 13, 2008
What else would you expect the secretary of the AFL-CIO to say. The only thing this guy is interested in is maintaining jobs for his union. Same thing applies to all the vessels that fall under the Jones Act. This act adds a significant amount to the cost of living in Hawaii and other areas affected by this rule. Congress should let the current proposed rule change die and then go back and kill the Jones Act. The cabotage laws protect no one except some private companies and union jobs. Read your history about why the Jones Act was first implemented and then try to tell the public it's a good thing while tryiing to keep a straight face.
Foster

Kahului, HI

#4 Apr 13, 2008
Horsefeathers is right. Neil should get all the facts before professing to be an authority on the subject. Consider this: NCL's foreign flagged ship does the exact same thing in the Alaskan trade as the foreign flagged vessels do in Hawaii (how's that for hypocritical?); the NCL vessels were not built in American shipyards; and NCL made the decision to pull two of their vessels from Hawaii and reflag them foreign before the rule change even has a chance to help them (in other words, "lets get out of the Hawaii market now and then screw Hawaii by having the rule changed"). Bottomline: NCL made bad management decisions by putting too many vessels in the Hawaii market in too short a time, and now they want take two ships out to go sail in the more lucrative European market while leaving Hawaii economically devastated with their lobbied for CBP rule change. Wake up Inouye and Abercrombie! Who do you guys represent?
Paco Loco

Guadalajara, Mexico

#5 Apr 13, 2008
This guy is so biased by his Wobbly thinking...the Jones Act and the Passanger Act of 1888 should be dumped. You want competitive shipping prices, airline and cruise ship fares, then lets have "open skys" and "open seas".
Cat Manapua

Saint George, UT

#6 Apr 13, 2008
The union guy speaks - yada, yada, yada.

Lost in all the noise is the fact that the ships with US staff were unanimously voted the ones with the lousiest service on the high seas. Cruise line advisory groups told passengers to avoid these boats at all costs if they wanted to enjoy the vacation.

How about that, Mr. AFL-CIO? Maybe some training of staff would have been a better use of your time.
Time2Cruise

Phoenix, AZ

#7 Apr 13, 2008
Hawaii is going to hurt over the decline in vacationers with Aloha going out of business. The maritime law is going to decrease the number of ships that visit Hawaii as well which is going to remove just that much more from the ports that rely on the revenue they normally get. I understand the jobs issue, but this looks to me like it could hurt jobs as well.
IsleRepublican

Honolulu, HI

#8 Apr 13, 2008
manini wrote:
What else would you expect the secretary of the AFL-CIO to say. The only thing this guy is interested in is maintaining jobs for his union. Same thing applies to all the vessels that fall under the Jones Act. This act adds a significant amount to the cost of living in Hawaii and other areas affected by this rule. Congress should let the current proposed rule change die and then go back and kill the Jones Act. The cabotage laws protect no one except some private companies and union jobs. Read your history about why the Jones Act was first implemented and then try to tell the public it's a good thing while tryiing to keep a straight face.
I agree with this 100%...we should get rid of the Jones Act and open up the market allowing other shipping companies to ship our goods instead of the monopolistic Matson who donate to the Democrats and whos rate increases get rubber stamped by the PUC.

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