Court: Christian school can expel lesbian students

[jack13]

Get Real wrote:

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The Lord creates us all...however, we have free will and often choose to sin. The Lord does not make us sin, we choose to sin. When someone is being judgemental, back biting, and mealy mouth they are using their free will. Christians are not perfect, nor are they any more deserving of salvation than you. They are suppose to glorify Christ in everything they do. However, due to the fact that all Christians are at different maturity levels in their relationship with Christ they will often choose a way that does not glorify Christ. Satan will use this to keep Christians divided. I pray that you will be blessed with a friendship of a mature Christian so that your eyes will be opened and you will see the true meaning of salvation. You are only being mindful of the faults of humans and not mindful of the power of Christ.

Pray for me? Don't waste your breath. Typical christian. Blame any bad deeds they do on another mythical being. "The devil made me do it! Forgive me, god." is the cry heard round the world. Murder your wife. The devil made me do it. You're forgiven. Go forth and sin no more. What a joke. I've met a lot of "mature" christians. All lack the ability to use critical thinking. They short circuit reason for religious dogma and they expect me to do the same? not now or ever unless you can show me any evidence of any god. God did not create me. I came from sperm, not dust or dirt. What a ridiculous statement, god created me. Save it for your brain dead flock.

[Get Real]

jack13 wrote:

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Pray for me? Don't waste your breath. Typical christian. Blame any bad deeds they do on another mythical being. "The devil made me do it! Forgive me, god." is the cry heard round the world. Murder your wife. The devil made me do it. You're forgiven. Go forth and sin no more. What a joke. I've met a lot of "mature" christians. All lack the ability to use critical thinking. They short circuit reason for religious dogma and they expect me to do the same? not now or ever unless you can show me any evidence of any god. God did not create me. I came from sperm, not dust or dirt. What a ridiculous statement, god created me. Save it for your brain dead flock.

Please reread my post without feeling so much hostility. I did not say the devil made people sin, I said they sin of their own free will. I said the devil is pleased when sin and uses it to keep Christians divided amoungest themselves. Forgive me, if my statements offended you. That was not my intentions. My purpose was to enlighten you on the fact that all Christians sin and make mistakes. We will make different mistakes at different maturity levels in our relationship with Christ. I do not believe it is the Lord's will for us to use scripture to belittle anyone. You seem to group all Christians in the same general category and express hostility towards them. Though as a Christian I do not believe it is the Lord's will to live in a gay or lesbian lifestyle, I would never pretend to know the Lord's will for you. I would encourage you to read the Bible, pray, and discover his will. In turn, I would expect you to respect my choice to have a relationship with Christ.

[jack13]

Get Real wrote:

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Please reread my post without feeling so much hostility. I did not say the devil made people sin, I said they sin of their own free will. I said the devil is pleased when sin and uses it to keep Christians divided amoungest themselves. Forgive me, if my statements offended you. That was not my intentions. My purpose was to enlighten you on the fact that all Christians sin and make mistakes. We will make different mistakes at different maturity levels in our relationship with Christ. I do not believe it is the Lord's will for us to use scripture to belittle anyone. You seem to group all Christians in the same general category and express hostility towards them. Though as a Christian I do not believe it is the Lord's will to live in a gay or lesbian lifestyle, I would never pretend to know the Lord's will for you. I would encourage you to read the Bible, pray, and discover his will. In turn, I would expect you to respect my choice to have a relationship with Christ.

I have read the bible and if you think that is a book that would change anyone's thinking, you are wrong. It is one of the most hate filled book I have ever read. I can see where Christian's would go to war after reading that book. It justifies violence, slavery, subjection of women, on and on. If I had to pick out a god to believe in, it sure would not be Christianity.

[Get Real]

jack13 wrote:

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I have read the bible and if you think that is a book that would change anyone's thinking, you are wrong. It is one of the most hate filled book I have ever read. I can see where Christian's would go to war after reading that book. It justifies violence, slavery, subjection of women, on and on. If I had to pick out a god to believe in, it sure would not be Christianity.

You have free will to believe or not...and yes the Bible has many accounts of violence, slavery, and horrible things that happened in the past. And no I do not believe the Bible is the key to changing someone's mind, the key is Christ. The Bible is an account of events that happened. Thank goodness it is a source of reference of those accounts. I would not like to live in those times. The very reason we do not have to is because the Lord sent his son to earth and he paid the sacrifice for us. The Bible is an account of his being here. Don't get me wrong, I believe that we are to live by the word of God. But we must be in constant prayer that the Bible will be made clear and applicable to our life in today's times. Reading and applying the Bible to everyday living is one small part of being a Christian. The key is Christ and the relationship you have with Him is a gift. It is your choice to accept it or refuse it.

[Eternal Life]

Get Real wrote:

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You have free will to believe or not...and yes the Bible has many accounts of violence, slavery, and horrible things that happened in the past. And no I do not believe the Bible is the key to changing someone's mind, the key is Christ. The Bible is an account of events that happened. Thank goodness it is a source of reference of those accounts. I would not like to live in those times. The very reason we do not have to is because the Lord sent his son to earth and he paid the sacrifice for us. The Bible is an account of his being here. Don't get me wrong, I believe that we are to live by the word of God. But we must be in constant prayer that the Bible will be made clear and applicable to our life in today's times. Reading and applying the Bible to everyday living is one small part of being a Christian. The key is Christ and the relationship you have with Him is a gift. It is your choice to accept it or refuse it.

Praise God for His mercy. We are not saved by works that no man shall boast.

When we turn our hearts to Jesus, confessing our sins and yielding to Him as LORD and SAVIOR, he gives us a new heart. May your heart be enlightened that you may understand the depths and riches of God's amazing love. He makes all things new, old things have passed and new things have come. He lives inside of His people by faith in Him.

Come, Lord Jesus, come. Send forth your repentance and may the earth open up and salvation bear fruit.

[jack13]

Eternal Life wrote:

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Praise God for His mercy. We are not saved by works that no man shall boast.
When we turn our hearts to Jesus, confessing our sins and yielding to Him as LORD and SAVIOR, he gives us a new heart. May your heart be enlightened that you may understand the depths and riches of God's amazing love. He makes all things new, old things have passed and new things have come. He lives inside of His people by faith in Him.
Come, Lord Jesus, come. Send forth your repentance and may the earth open up and salvation bear fruit.

What great works talked about in the bible are you speaking of? The killing of vall the babies women and children, cattle, even trees to take land from citizens of a country that has not declaired war on his chosen people. Olny because he wished to take the land for his people? Or the killing of all the first born babies of a country that had given them a living? Or the incest of Lot without punishment? Your bible is a book mof violence committed by believers in your god. I notice you never post these elements in your scriptures you post for us. What salvation are you talking about? Death? It is as natural as life. Why reject it?

[Rosie]

It seems that the real issue here isn't even being addressed. A private school has the right to require students and parents to adhere to its mission statement. When the school is Christian-based, it is not just assumed, but it is required that the theology and doctrine are respected. People pay for both the education and the environment, and it's the right of all of the other students and parents to expect and demand that the spiritual beliefs of the agreed-upon and outlined doctrine are adhered to. If a student refuses to follow the rules, whether it be dress-code, public displays of affection, cursing, or supporting the mission statement of the school, the private school should have the right to expell the student. No one has a right to a private education...only to a public one. Therefore, any behaviors that are contradictory to the supported beliefs of the school are subject to administrative review and action. Otherwise, there would be no incentive for people to choose a private school over a public school. Christians are supposed to be tolerant of non-believers. We are taught not to judge anyone, but that behaviors can be judged. When we are willing to make the sacrifice of paying several thousand dollars per year to have our children taught in an environment that supports our spiritual beliefs, we should have the right to remove obstacles to that mission. Families with homosexual children have the right to a public education. This is how it should be. But, when people choose to pay for an academic environment that serves to teach and socialize students within a particular religion, they have the right to demand that contradictory behaviors are not acceptable. It's not just regarding homosexuality, as there are countless rules that must be followed. The parents and the students are aware of this when they choose the school.

[jack13]

Rosie wrote:

It seems that the real issue here isn't even being addressed. A private school has the right to require students and parents to adhere to its mission statement. When the school is Christian-based, it is not just assumed, but it is required that the theology and doctrine are respected. People pay for both the education and the environment, and it's the right of all of the other students and parents to expect and demand that the spiritual beliefs of the agreed-upon and outlined doctrine are adhered to. If a student refuses to follow the rules, whether it be dress-code, public displays of affection, cursing, or supporting the mission statement of the school, the private school should have the right to expell the student. No one has a right to a private education...only to a public one. Therefore, any behaviors that are contradictory to the supported beliefs of the school are subject to administrative review and action. Otherwise, there would be no incentive for people to choose a private school over a public school. Christians are supposed to be tolerant of non-believers. We are taught not to judge anyone, but that behaviors can be judged. When we are willing to make the sacrifice of paying several thousand dollars per year to have our children taught in an environment that supports our spiritual beliefs, we should have the right to remove obstacles to that mission. Families with homosexual children have the right to a public education. This is how it should be. But, when people choose to pay for an academic environment that serves to teach and socialize students within a particular religion, they have the right to demand that contradictory behaviors are not acceptable. It's not just regarding homosexuality, as there are countless rules that must be followed. The parents and the students are aware of this when they choose the school.

I guess you are right. I spoke to a lady today that was laid off from a christian school because she had a Jewish background. I guess the old testament was not a suffient grounding for a christian school

[DIRK DIGGLER]

am I in the right place? I'm looking for the hair pie possie..........

[Juan Numero Uno]

I sure hope so!

[Rosie]

jack13 wrote:

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I guess you are right. I spoke to a lady today that was laid off from a christian school because she had a Jewish background. I guess the old testament was not a suffient grounding for a christian school

This doesn't make sense, and I'm sure there is more to the issue. Our pasts aren't important. It's who we are now that matters. In the Christian schools I'm familiar with, only the current spiritual beliefs matter. A Jewish background is not grounds or cause for termination if the person's current perspectives are those that are in agreement with the school's theology. I'm convinced that the person you spoke to isn't telling you the entire situation.

[Mary]

Rosie wrote:

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This doesn't make sense, and I'm sure there is more to the issue. Our pasts aren't important. It's who we are now that matters. In the Christian schools I'm familiar with, only the current spiritual beliefs matter. A Jewish background is not grounds or cause for termination if the person's current perspectives are those that are in agreement with the school's theology. I'm convinced that the person you spoke to isn't telling you the entire situation.

Jack is an unhappy troll.

Can you imagine someone who
was happy writing like that?

Jack says he is a muscle
with eyes who came from
sperm...no cause or meaning.

Why argue with such a
deep thinker?

Let him pound salt.

[jack13]

Mary wrote:

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Jack is an unhappy troll.
Can you imagine someone who
was happy writing like that?
Jack says he is a muscle
with eyes who came from
sperm...no cause or meaning.
Why argue with such a
deep thinker?
Let him pound salt.

Well, you are wrong. I am very happy. I have a loving wife, children, grand children, and one great grand child. I have lived life as best I can. tried to help my fellow man on the way. Why do you think any religion, especially one based on hating anyone not of your faith, could bring happiness beats me. I can accept my death as being a natural part of living. I have no desire to live on in the clouds after by days on earth have ended. I have taught my children to think rationally, not relying on mythology, for the answers to life on earth and accept people as they are, looking at them as basically good, no matter what their faith or lack of it. So you egotistical individuals can go on preaching hatred of your fellow men and women who do not share you flawed belief system and I'll get along with my life, short as it may be. I am sorry for you that you think that anyone who does not believe as you do is bad. What a narrow view of life. Have a good day.

[Rosie]

jack13 wrote:

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Well, you are wrong. I am very happy. I have a loving wife, children, grand children, and one great grand child. I have lived life as best I can. tried to help my fellow man on the way. Why do you think any religion, especially one based on hating anyone not of your faith, could bring happiness beats me. I can accept my death as being a natural part of living. I have no desire to live on in the clouds after by days on earth have ended. I have taught my children to think rationally, not relying on mythology, for the answers to life on earth and accept people as they are, looking at them as basically good, no matter what their faith or lack of it. So you egotistical individuals can go on preaching hatred of your fellow men and women who do not share you flawed belief system and I'll get along with my life, short as it may be. I am sorry for you that you think that anyone who does not believe as you do is bad. What a narrow view of life. Have a good day.

Many Christians do not feel this way toward nonbelievers. I attend a very large church, and we believe in acceptance of everyone. Our place is not to judge people, but to judge behaviors. There are, regardless of personal spiritual beliefs, clear rights and wrongs. These are subject to judgement. Killing, stealing, and numerous other behaviors are wrong. This is what many nondenominational churches are teaching. And, more and more people are choosing to attend nondenominational churches, to avoid man-made religions, which are often riddled with biases that are not based upon scripture. There are good and bad people both inside and outside the church. Our actions speak louder than our words, so what's more important is how we live our lives. Even the bible says that faith without works is dead. I commend you for the life that you've lived, as it appears that you have raised a wonderful family. For me, though, I find comfort in knowing that when I leave this earth it is not the end. I can't imagine living without that peace in my heart.

[jack13]

Rosie wrote:

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Many Christians do not feel this way toward nonbelievers. I attend a very large church, and we believe in acceptance of everyone. Our place is not to judge people, but to judge behaviors. There are, regardless of personal spiritual beliefs, clear rights and wrongs. These are subject to judgement. Killing, stealing, and numerous other behaviors are wrong. This is what many nondenominational churches are teaching. And, more and more people are choosing to attend nondenominational churches, to avoid man-made religions, which are often riddled with biases that are not based upon scripture. There are good and bad people both inside and outside the church. Our actions speak louder than our words, so what's more important is how we live our lives. Even the bible says that faith without works is dead. I commend you for the life that you've lived, as it appears that you have raised a wonderful family. For me, though, I find comfort in knowing that when I leave this earth it is not the end. I can't imagine living without that peace in my heart.

I do not criticize your faith. It is still a free country and if it helps you to live in an imperfect world, then it is a good thing. Many people fear death. I don't. I accept it as a natural result of living. It is natural to fear the unknown. I have felt great fear when going into combat, but once the fighting started, the fear was gone. I do fear the pain that might take place prior to death, but not death itself.

[Rosie]

jack13 wrote:

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I do not criticize your faith. It is still a free country and if it helps you to live in an imperfect world, then it is a good thing. Many people fear death. I don't. I accept it as a natural result of living. It is natural to fear the unknown. I have felt great fear when going into combat, but once the fighting started, the fear was gone. I do fear the pain that might take place prior to death, but not death itself.

It appears, as I believed in the beginning, that we agree more than we disagree. Emotions often blur this fact when people discuss things. Most people have very similar beliefs regarding how we are supposed to treat one another and our environment. How we convey those beliefs is usually where peoople get confused. I have many very good friends who are nonbelievers, as well as those of various other religions, including Islam. I don't judge these people, as it is not my place. Rather, I thank the God that I believe in for blessing me with so many wonderful people to call friends. True believers aren't radical, as Jesus himself was not radical. I also remember when I wasn't a believer, and there wasn't anything anyone could say or do to convince me that my beliefs were wrong. Therefore, I don't try to convince anyone that what I believe is correct. In fact, true Christians rely on prayer, not themselves, to lead others to Christ. If I didn't believe that prayer was enough, I wouldn't be the Christian that I professed to be. It would be in name only, which is NOT a true believer. Therefore, I still stand behind my opinion that a Christian school should have the right to require conformity to its outlined spiritual boundaries. Outward lesbianism is one of those boundaries. For public schools, I don't believe these boundaries are fair, as all people and belief systems should be accepted, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. Just as it is unfair of me to push my spiritual beliefs on others, it is unfair of people outside of Christian schools to try to push their beliefs onto them. The Constitution does not say "freedom from religion." It says "freedom of religion." A Christian school has the right to practice this right, to the extent it sees fit within the law. This is why Christian schools do not receive tax money.

By the way, thank you for serving our country. My husband served for 27 years in the Marine Corps.

[Tulie Muncher]

We must keep a separation between church and tongues.

[shadow]

she should just go to a university and find a cure for cancer or something. cuase there she whould actually learn something.

[jack13]

Rosie wrote:

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It appears, as I believed in the beginning, that we agree more than we disagree. Emotions often blur this fact when people discuss things. Most people have very similar beliefs regarding how we are supposed to treat one another and our environment. How we convey those beliefs is usually where peoople get confused. I have many very good friends who are nonbelievers, as well as those of various other religions, including Islam. I don't judge these people, as it is not my place. Rather, I thank the God that I believe in for blessing me with so many wonderful people to call friends. True believers aren't radical, as Jesus himself was not radical. I also remember when I wasn't a believer, and there wasn't anything anyone could say or do to convince me that my beliefs were wrong. Therefore, I don't try to convince anyone that what I believe is correct. In fact, true Christians rely on prayer, not themselves, to lead others to Christ. If I didn't believe that prayer was enough, I wouldn't be the Christian that I professed to be. It would be in name only, which is NOT a true believer. Therefore, I still stand behind my opinion that a Christian school should have the right to require conformity to its outlined spiritual boundaries. Outward lesbianism is one of those boundaries. For public schools, I don't believe these boundaries are fair, as all people and belief systems should be accepted, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. Just as it is unfair of me to push my spiritual beliefs on others, it is unfair of people outside of Christian schools to try to push their beliefs onto them. The Constitution does not say "freedom from religion." It says "freedom of religion." A Christian school has the right to practice this right, to the extent it sees fit within the law. This is why Christian schools do not receive tax money.
By the way, thank you for serving our country. My husband served for 27 years in the Marine Corps.

Very well stated. I wish other christians visiting this form were as reasonable as your statement. Other than my children, I have never attempted to cause anyone to doubt their belief in what ever god they choose to believe. I have been told it is their duty to convert people to their faith. I have no such duty to stop them from their belief unless they want to turn the country into just one big theocracy for one branch of Christianity or for that matter the worship of the 3,000 plus other religions out there. Theocracies end up as dictatorships. Israel is a good example of that along with Iran. Both speak of democracy but both use their religion to justify their conduct towards others.

[love lesbians]

Purity wrote:

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You prove your are blind.

and you proved that you can't type!