Picking a fight: Obama vs Fox News

[Algernon Sidney]

flywatt wrote:

Specifically talked about re-deploying troops to Afghanistan?

Yes, and invading Pakistan.

[MarxistPlan]

FOXNews is getting in the way of the marxist-socialist plans.

Attack them comrades.......pound them into plow shares.......heHo......heHo... ....

[The Boot]

Keri,

One other thing to add to the original BOOT PLAN is to change the rules on holding public office. Public office should be limited to 1 term per person per public office. Making a career from being a public official (other than cops, etc.) should not be allowed. There is no reason that I should be the Senator that was in Washington for 40 yrs. Limit the terms to 1 so that the corruption and temptation for promises to friends and special interests is reduced.

Amendment #1 to THE BOOT PLAN

[Keri]

The Boot wrote:

Keri,
One other thing to add to the original BOOT PLAN is to change the rules on holding public office. Public office should be limited to 1 term per person per public office. Making a career from being a public official (other than cops, etc.) should not be allowed. There is no reason that I should be the Senator that was in Washington for 40 yrs. Limit the terms to 1 so that the corruption and temptation for promises to friends and special interests is reduced.
Amendment #1 to THE BOOT PLAN

Agreed. They also shouldn't be allowed to vote for their own raises/term limits. It's a conflict of interest.

[Odamnit]

Dam% those Democrats. Such weinies.

[Boot]

We need to formalize some form of The Boot Plan w/a few amendments and get it in front of some of these weiners. There's no excuse for the type of govt that we are settling for now-a-days.

Amendment #2 to The Boot & Keri Plan

Public officials cannot vote on their own raises and term limits.

[GRANDPA NICOLAI]

Boot wrote:

We need to formalize some form of The Boot Plan w/a few amendments and get it in front of some of these weiners. There's no excuse for the type of govt that we are settling for now-a-days.
Amendment #2 to The Boot & Keri Plan
Public officials cannot vote on their own raises and term limits.

I have been kinda following the "boot plan" looks like you guys are giving the founders a run for their money. LOL

But seriously, are you going to have our current crop of politicians turn the "boot plan" into law?

Will it be done via a referendum?

How will it be implemented?

Or do you guys just have too much time on your hands?

[BobbySomers]

Anyone ever watch Red Eye on Fox News Channel?

I'm seeing it for the first time.
Friggin hilarious.

[Keri]

Boot wrote:

We need to formalize some form of The Boot Plan w/a few amendments and get it in front of some of these weiners. There's no excuse for the type of govt that we are settling for now-a-days.
Amendment #2 to The Boot & Keri Plan
Public officials cannot vote on their own raises and term limits.

Just saw this on another thread and thought of you....
It is credited to a Reasonable person.

"Here is an idea that just may save our country. Let's get this introduced in Congress.

Congressional Reform Act of 2009

1. Term Limits: 12 years only, one of the possible options below.

A. Two Six-year Senate terms
B. Six Two-year House terms
C. One Six-year Senate term and three Two-Year House terms

2. No Tenure / No Pension:

A congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they are out of office.

3. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security:

All funds in the Congressional retirement fund moves to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, Congress participates with the American people.

4. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan just as all Americans..

5. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.

6. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.

7. Congress must equally abide in all laws they impose on the American people.

8. All contracts with past and present congressmen are void effective 1/1/10.

The American people did not make this contract with congressmen, congressmen made all these contracts for themselves.

Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work."

[Lisa]

BobbySomers wrote:

Anyone ever watch Red Eye on Fox News Channel?
I'm seeing it for the first time.
Friggin hilarious.

It looked funny, but my husband changed the channel. I'll have to check it out next time.

[Keri]

GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:

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I have been kinda following the "boot plan" looks like you guys are giving the founders a run for their money. LOL
But seriously, are you going to have our current crop of politicians turn the "boot plan" into law?
Will it be done via a referendum?
How will it be implemented?
Or do you guys just have too much time on your hands?

I'll admit that I have quite a bit of time on my hands....:)

However, I do write my representatives when I have issues. Only one ever writes me back and he disagrees with me. I think we'll need something massive to get our point across. Maybe write in candidates. We only need one person to propose the bill. Enough pressure and they will sign it. But we need follow through. It isn't enough to say, "we won't vote for you" but we need to actively campaign only in favor of the candidates that vote for this bill. There is power in numbers. If enough of us put up a stink....

[Boot]

Gramps,
I personally do not know how to run this up the flag pole. I can say that I've written all kinds of things to public office sites only to get no response. I don't claim to have the answers to the mess that our country has become. I offer suggestions as I see them from where I stand. Is it easy to change things? The obvious answer is no. Should we just give up and let these guys do as they please? It's possible to say yes. My thought is that they will only do what we let them. Think of empowered kids. When do you pull the rope in?
On another note, years ago, I didn't know how to do what I do today for a living. I learned and learned quickly. My guess is that there are many frustrated people amongst the 300M that currently reside in the USA. I alone cannot bring any change. Alone, I would fail miserably. It would be like the HOPE & CHANGE that people are currently waiting for. That obviously is a different story. There are numbers behind that proposed H&C. At the moment, it is nothing more than words. Nice & pretty words that make us all feel hopeful that we have not become a nation of people who do not care.
When you hire a person to do a job for you, do you simply take their word that they will perform a job, or do you check and see if you are getting your money's worth? I don't know about you, I personally don't think we are getting our money's worth from the way public office currently runs.
I am by no means saying that nothing is happening. For all I know, there are all kinds of great things in the works and I am simply not "in the know". This is the HOPE in me that refuses to die. Realistically, I see very little CHANGING or happening. There seem to be lots of empty promises. Not only today, this has been happening for a very long time. We keep HOPING that these people will remember who they work for. Amnesia is a hard thing to get over. As a person who appears to have been on the planet for a considerable amount of time, you must have been seeing this all the time. So, in your humble opinion, what do we do?
I have to agree with Keri in that people in numbers have power. We have more power than we give ourselves credit for. Should we just vote them out of office and teach them a good lesson. In an ideal world, this would solve the problems and we would move on. In the real world, voting them out doesn't do the trick. Serious reform needs to happen. Am I the person to do this? Probably not. Are there people around who can help us make things happen and propose ideas? I'm thinking the answer is yes.
Remember back to the good old days when we were on top. When it all started, our public servants were "real people". They were farmers, town's people, business people, etc. The interest seems to have been "TO SERVE". Of course, this is the way that I saw it or the way that I've read in the history books. Could I be mistaken or wrong. I think there are good chances that I read and mis-interpreted what I read. For all I know, it may have all been fabricated. This is all I have to go on.
I'm kind of thinking that there were not so many perks to serving the public as there are today. Why on earth would I leave the life of a doctor or business person to take on a job that pays very little? You and I know the answer to this. There must be other benefits tied to the office that aren't blatantly advertised.
Seems to me that it is a fair expectation that you serve the public. Help better the world and move on. Making careers out of public office just doesn't seem right. There's got to be a way to limmit the number of perks that come with these jobs. As a public servant on restrictions, I will want to go change things and then I will want to move on. As a public servant with free reign, I might be enticed to stay forever. After all, the public voted me in. They must like what I'm doing.

[Boot]

Gramps,

-continued

Of course, me and all my time can sit and rant about how things need to change until the cows come home on their own. My point was not to rant and rave about what is wrong or what I want. My thought was to offer potential solutions to what I see needs improvement. Money is a hard thing to turn down. It won't be hard to turn down once it is no longer available. We were once a great country (I still think we are, but we've lost our way). Is it possible that we never were on the right track? You betcha! Highly unlikely as this government and country have survived many, many years. We've not only survived, we've been successful. There still is no better country on Earth to be living in.

Help us figure out how to get a message out. Provide us with some guidance on where we may be completely wrong. Contribute to trying to solve the problems.

As citizens of this great country, it is our duty to speak up when something smells bad. Calling this a Republican/Democrat problem is probably not appropriate. We've all had our hand in the cookie jar at one point or another.

We can fight with one another or we can help each other be successful. As a person who makes a good living, I might be inclined to say that this doesn't affect me, so why should I care. Not sure that is the right thing to do.

Hopefully, I've answered your concerns.

Respectfully,

The Boot

W/r to having a lot of time. It is not too hard to type while watching TV or helping the kids or playing with the dog.

Fully employed and very busy.

[GRANDPA NICOLAI]

Boot wrote:

Gramps,
-continued
Of course, me and all my time can sit and rant about how things need to change until the cows come home on their own. My point was not to rant and rave about what is wrong or what I want. My thought was to offer potential solutions to what I see needs improvement. Money is a hard thing to turn down. It won't be hard to turn down once it is no longer available. We were once a great country (I still think we are, but we've lost our way). Is it possible that we never were on the right track? You betcha! Highly unlikely as this government and country have survived many, many years. We've not only survived, we've been successful. There still is no better country on Earth to be living in.
Help us figure out how to get a message out. Provide us with some guidance on where we may be completely wrong. Contribute to trying to solve the problems.
As citizens of this great country, it is our duty to speak up when something smells bad. Calling this a Republican/Democrat problem is probably not appropriate. We've all had our hand in the cookie jar at one point or another.
We can fight with one another or we can help each other be successful. As a person who makes a good living, I might be inclined to say that this doesn't affect me, so why should I care. Not sure that is the right thing to do.
Hopefully, I've answered your concerns.
Respectfully,
The Boot
W/r to having a lot of time. It is not too hard to type while watching TV or helping the kids or playing with the dog.
Fully employed and very busy.

BOOT:

Don't get too wound up, I agree with most of what you are saying, what I was trying to point out is that we can sit and draft the best plans in the world, but how do we go about implementing them?

Obviously, our current crop of lifetime politicians will not pass laws that will put them on the street.

And the money behind those politicians will fight you/us tooth and nail, they will not lets us get rid of all those politicians because big money has got too much invested in them already, just look at the health care industry, they are spending $1.5 million a day in their efforts to defeat HCR.

I have long suspected that the reason so many politicians do not keep their promises is because some of them are corrupt to begin with, but the vast majority are probably honest, and once they get elected, they realize they are nothing more than the puppets of big money.

Do you realize that today less than 10% of the people own 95% of the nations wealth?

I do not mean to discourage you or anyone from implementing change, I am just saying that if you do not have the backing of big money, you might as well kiss change good by.

It is like the old saying goes: "whoever has got the gold gets to make the rules." and it is too bad we let it come down to this.

[GRANDPA NICOLAI]

Keri wrote:

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I'll admit that I have quite a bit of time on my hands....:)
However, I do write my representatives when I have issues. Only one ever writes me back and he disagrees with me. I think we'll need something massive to get our point across. Maybe write in candidates. We only need one person to propose the bill. Enough pressure and they will sign it. But we need follow through. It isn't enough to say, "we won't vote for you" but we need to actively campaign only in favor of the candidates that vote for this bill. There is power in numbers. If enough of us put up a stink....

KERI: I agree with you on this, see my reply to BOOT.

[Boot]

Gramps,

You bring up good points. I too am aware that the money and power is in the hands of very few. I think the percentage is more like 2% of the people in the USA own all the wealth and power.

I'm with you. I think we all realize that money talks and the rest of us are just left wanting to.

You know that we will never get the backing of the money. I don't know about you, but I surely don't have 1.5M/day to fight against the people who are fighting against HCR. That said, "I personally don't have the money". How many people live in the USA that really need this reform or want it? That's where the money is. Our current leader took serious advantage of the fact that people were hungry for change and hope. Our people gladly gave money in hopes of change.

Our only chance is to get all these words in front of the people. How many people do you know? How many people does Keri know? How many people do they know? One thing we do have is the internet. This is a very powerful tool for the masses who don't have all the money. People will put money into things that they believe in or that give them hope.

The key is to take that money and do something positive with it and not simply give hope. Hope is the last one to die.

Thx.

Boot

- My apologize if it seemed I was getting wound up. I was simply trying to get a point across.

[Mac-7]

Boot wrote:

Gramps,
You bring up good points. I too am aware that the money and power is in the hands of very few. I think the percentage is more like 2% of the people in the USA own all the wealth and power.
I'm with you. I think we all realize that money talks and the rest of us are just left wanting to.
You know that we will never get the backing of the money. I don't know about you, but I surely don't have 1.5M/day to fight against the people who are fighting against HCR. That said, "I personally don't have the money". How many people live in the USA that really need this reform or want it? That's where the money is. Our current leader took serious advantage of the fact that people were hungry for change and hope. Our people gladly gave money in hopes of change.
Our only chance is to get all these words in front of the people. How many people do you know? How many people does Keri know? How many people do they know? One thing we do have is the internet. This is a very powerful tool for the masses who don't have all the money. People will put money into things that they believe in or that give them hope.
The key is to take that money and do something positive with it and not simply give hope. Hope is the last one to die.
Thx.
Boot
- My apologize if it seemed I was getting wound up. I was simply trying to get a point across.

"I surely don't have 1.5M/day to fight against the people who are fighting against HCR."

I don't have that kind of money either and I'm fighting against HCR aka ObamaCare.

You know most people are satisified with the healthcare they have now and do not want the kind of change Obama is trying to impose on us.

[Boot]

Mac,

We are not talking about Obamacare. 2000 pages of reform is not what is in discussion here. We are talking about changes that are needed for the general good of the country. No one is saying that if you are happy with your care it would change. We are talking about much more than just HCR. HC is a concern, but not the biggest one that the country currently has.

I'll have to say that most people are content to have what they currently have. I wouldn't stretch it to happiness. There are lots of silly things that insurance companies do to people w/r to HC.

Hope this clears this up a bit and lines you up. Read the threads that lead up to this discussion so that you can contribute more fully.

Thx.

[Mac-7]

Boot wrote:

Mac,
We are not talking about Obamacare. 2000 pages of reform is not what is in discussion here. We are talking about changes that are needed for the general good of the country. No one is saying that if you are happy with your care it would change. We are talking about much more than just HCR. HC is a concern, but not the biggest one that the country currently has.
I'll have to say that most people are content to have what they currently have. I wouldn't stretch it to happiness. There are lots of silly things that insurance companies do to people w/r to HC.
Hope this clears this up a bit and lines you up. Read the threads that lead up to this discussion so that you can contribute more fully.
Thx.

I agree there are other issues than just HCR.

But the dagger closest to our hearts right now is ObamaCare and its the one I'm the most sensitive two.

Tell me ObamaCare is dead a buried and I will try to focus on the next threat to our liberty.

I wish we could throw all the bums out - even the few good ones who we may personally like.

That may be the only way to really shake up Washington enough to clean up all the corruption up there.

But since I know that won't happen I think we have to keep playing this little game of whack-a-mole with whichever party is in power at the moment.

[Boot]

You have to open up your mind to truly appreciate this as it could be way oversimplfied and definitely not what we are typically used to from our public servants. Definitely not like the 2000 page HCR.