Lutman leaving Walter Gerrells

Lutman leaving Walter Gerrells

There are 88 comments on the Carlsbad Current-Argus story from Oct 14, 2009, titled Lutman leaving Walter Gerrells. In it, Carlsbad Current-Argus reports that:

Guy Lutman of Guy Lutman Enterprises said he will not be managing the Walter Gerrells Performing Arts and Exhibition Centre after this year.

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Questioning CA

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#1 Oct 15, 2009
Was it really necessary to have two seperate articles to say the same thing. Is news so short that you need to fill the paper with two articles? I am so glad I don't buy this rag anymore. I am saving over a hundres dollars a year by not subscribing to something that is not worth the price.
Chester

Carlsbad, NM

#2 Oct 15, 2009
Questioning CA wrote:
Was it really necessary to have two seperate articles to say the same thing. Is news so short that you need to fill the paper with two articles? I am so glad I don't buy this rag anymore. I am saving over a hundres dollars a year by not subscribing to something that is not worth the price.
I did not know the paper charged that much money for other subscribers, I'm must be getting a bargain then.
Bang

Carlsbad, NM

#3 Oct 15, 2009
Once again Carlsbad, NM shoots itself in the foot. Well, we can look forward to the place being trashed up again and the city will be asked to pour more money into the facility. There should be no questions asked as to how could this have happened. This also goes to having good faith dealings with this city. Guy Lutman was one of the Primer Supporters of this town, and on a national basis, and he gets jerked around. Maybe we do deserve what we are getting.
know the facts

Carlsbad, NM

#4 Oct 15, 2009
The issue of the contract was blown out of context. It was not about Guy's performance, what he had done or not done, although I can see how he took this very personally.

The verbiage in the contract was wrong. The city council didn't read the contract thoroughly and catch some of the verbiage. IT became apparent there was a problem with the contract the way it was currently written in the last 3 years. The only way the city could change the contract was to amend it or re-write it and put in out for RFP.

Mr. Lutman was not willing to have the contract amended, in his stubbornness he showed a lack of cooperation toward the city council. This I think was what shot Guy in the foot.

What is wrong with the contract?

Mr. Lutman was allotted $95,000 a year to promote, manage, and maintain the WGPAC. This included him paying for all utilities, minor structural issues like paint, titles, restroom amenities, janitorial service and supplies. HE could spend the $95,000 budget given to him on these things and make any additional improvements to the facility with this money. Out of the $95,000 he also could draw a small salary at his choosing.

BUT he was also given full control of the facility, the rental revenue from the use of the facility was also HIS. So he got to double dip, take a salary, have a rent free building for his own business, and keep ALL revenue from the building. PLUS, the city of Carlsbad supplied the WGPAC a full time employee that Guy supervised.

Because there was no fee structure put in place by the city of Carlsbad. The rental revenue was set by Guy himself. Now Guy did a great job with local business and groups for the rental of the building. He priced the annex reasonable and built up a great report with people. There is not doubt in his success there.

But as a promoter himself, things got tricky when outside promoters tried to book the facility. This became competition against Guy Lutman Enterprises. Guy would request not only rent for the building, charge a fee for lighting and sound, but also in some cases request a percentage of the ticket sales!

The city wanted to amend the contract to control the rental fees and additional charges that might be taken as unfair to outside promoters.

In the last City Council meeting before this one this week. Brad Day specifically said he was looking to see if Guy was willing to negotiate and have the Advisory Board set fees. IF he was willing cooperate, he would recommend the one year extension with the amendments. If you watch the meeting on channel 23, you will see that Guy was not willing to respond or cooperate to any new structure on the contract.

IT is a shame that Guy became stubborn. He has spent the City's budget of $95,000 a year for the last 3 years very well at the WGPAC and with the City’s money been able to make changes. The benefit to Guy being at the facility was someone looked at the building everyday and said, "Hum, what can we do to make this place look better." And he did it.

But don't forget it was with the City of Carlsbad's money, not Guy Lutman's.

Guy should swallow his pride, take a look at the real issue and rebid the contract. Based on his performance, his tract record, he should have a good chance to be awarded the bid. But the new contract will not allow all the freedoms the original contract had.

The city council did the right thing to amend a mistake and fix it. IT is a shame Guy took it so personal. It wasn't his fault the contract was badly written. However, it is the responsibility of the city council to fix a problem when they recognize it.
Choice

Carlsbad, NM

#5 Oct 15, 2009
SELL THE drafty barn...............
Contract

Carlsbad, NM

#6 Oct 15, 2009
The Contract that Guy had was one that Guy Had to draw up using his own attorney. It was presented to the City and approved. Now the city is reneging on the contract. The city is at fault for not doing its due diligence in researching the managing and event promotion business, which Mr. Lutman has done. Now the city is caught with its pants down and still has no clue about what the business entails. Your statement about "double dipping" shows your lack of knowledge of thew true facts. But hey, once again the citizens, and the reputation of Carlsbad, NM are the ones that will take the hit.
DBowen

Ogallala, NE

#7 Oct 15, 2009
The big picture... Carlsbad city leaders offend and lose another GREAT man. Shame on you. No doubt Mr. Lutman is on to bigger and better things and will be a smashing success -- a big loss for Carlsbad, again.
Erm

Tucumcari, NM

#8 Oct 15, 2009
I think what bothers me the most about this is the way council handled Rick Serrano's complaints.
Guy Lutman presented hard facts from venue promoters that Mr. Serrano did NOT represent them, yet council members seemed to still take his complaints seriously.

I can't help but wonder if Mr. Serrano is high school buddies with some members of council or something.
Jim

Denver, CO

#9 Oct 15, 2009
"Know The Facts" is exactly correct. I know for a fact that certain types of entertainment (hard rock or rap) he would not book because of "insurance issues." Really? Has he ever been to a hard rock show? I guarantee you country music fans get just as rowdy as hard rock fans. On top of that you had to use HIS ticketing service, HIS sound guys, HIS security...etc. The charges were so outrageous that established national acts such as Hinder and Seether refused to come and play in Carlsbad. His job should be to promote entertainment for Carlsbad, not just those he thinks is wholesome or good for the public. Guy Lutman is a nice guy who has done a lot of good things for Carlsbad. His management of the Gerrells Center wasnt one of those things.
Bill Graham

Carlsbad, NM

#10 Oct 15, 2009
Jim wrote:
"Know The Facts" is exactly correct. I know for a fact that certain types of entertainment (hard rock or rap) he would not book because of "insurance issues." Really? Has he ever been to a hard rock show? I guarantee you country music fans get just as rowdy as hard rock fans. On top of that you had to use HIS ticketing service, HIS sound guys, HIS security...etc. The charges were so outrageous that established national acts such as Hinder and Seether refused to come and play in Carlsbad. His job should be to promote entertainment for Carlsbad, not just those he thinks is wholesome or good for the public. Guy Lutman is a nice guy who has done a lot of good things for Carlsbad. His management of the Gerrells Center wasnt one of those things.
Jim:

Obviously, you,just like Brad Day, Diamond and the other members of Carlsbad's, NM city council, have never dealt with professional concert venues. If you had you would know that these requirements are all pretty much standard requirements, and not out of the ordinary. They are in place to protect the venue and profit. Maybe you should check with Mr. Brad Light. He might rent to you.
Diamond Dave

Carlsbad, NM

#11 Oct 15, 2009
Jim wrote:
"Know The Facts" is exactly correct. I know for a fact that certain types of entertainment (hard rock or rap) he would not book because of "insurance issues." Really? Has he ever been to a hard rock show? I guarantee you country music fans get just as rowdy as hard rock fans. On top of that you had to use HIS ticketing service, HIS sound guys, HIS security...etc. The charges were so outrageous that established national acts such as Hinder and Seether refused to come and play in Carlsbad. His job should be to promote entertainment for Carlsbad, not just those he thinks is wholesome or good for the public. Guy Lutman is a nice guy who has done a lot of good things for Carlsbad. His management of the Gerrells Center wasnt one of those things.
Dude! Hinder and Seether SUCK! While you're at it let,s throw in Sevendust. But at any rate it's all a moot point. You can go up the road to Artesia and see Alan Jackson, ZZ Top, Steppenwolf etc, because they are willing to pay for most of it out of their lodgers tax. These greedy a-ss wipes around here won't spend a dime to make a dollar, they would rather squeeze the dime, and live in the dark and eat gruel, while complaining that people won't shop Carlsbad. But, Hey!, we always have those washed up acts like LL Cool J, and some of those Un-funny comedians, oh, and let's never forget the ever popular Salvation Army Brass Band, and it's so unfortunate Freddy Fender has passed on, I would like to see him about 10 or 15 more times!
Jim

Denver, CO

#12 Oct 15, 2009
ha..I agree on Hinder and Seether..not a fan of them myself but they are commercially successful. I talked to one local promoter that said Lutman wanted 15% off the top, OFF THE BOOKS, for himself!

the guy should have done everything possible to bring a WIDE variety of events here and let the public decide if it would be successful or not.
Mary Lou

Carlsbad, NM

#13 Oct 15, 2009
Guy is out to shaft the city no matter what, but the city members are growing so dumb that their offspring is going to produce even dumber offspring.
The Carlsbad school system is producing dumber and dumber students.
I guess everyone should watch Idiocracy the movie.
You all will understand where this country is headed.
Also, watch WALL-E, you'll understand why all the fat people go to WALL-mart.
Jim

Denver, CO

#14 Oct 15, 2009
Bill Graham wrote:
<quoted text>
Jim:
Obviously, you,just like Brad Day, Diamond and the other members of Carlsbad's, NM city council, have never dealt with professional concert venues. If you had you would know that these requirements are all pretty much standard requirements, and not out of the ordinary. They are in place to protect the venue and profit. Maybe you should check with Mr. Brad Light. He might rent to you.
Obviously I dont know Brad Day, Diamond or the others, other than Jim Grantner, who voted to retain. I understand requirements but when the requirements change depending on the type of entertainment, then I have a problem. I have also talked to promoters who found Mr. Lutman's practices....questionable at best.

As far as protecting the venue have you ever been to a hard rock venue? I have been to MANY and the kids have fun but dont tear things up. Like I said, a country western concert's crowd gets just as rowdy. And while I agree the facility should turn a profit, it should also be willing to take a loss from time to time on individual events to ensure a wide variety of entertainment is available to the public. I dont think there would be a loss.

And maybe someone SHOULD rent the Cavern Theater from Brad Light to hold some concerts. Would be a nice way to re-introduce a landmark building in Carlsbad to being a useful part of the community again. Doesnt matter that Mr. Light owns it..what matters is that Lutman has made sure that certain acts do not play Carlsbad. That kind of myopic vision only hurts our town, and the city council saw that and acted accordingly.
Jim

Denver, CO

#15 Oct 15, 2009
also, when I mentioned using HIS sound HIS ticketing, etc..it was HIS..not the city's...so guess where that profit went.....
Ted

Carlsbad, NM

#16 Oct 15, 2009
I was wondering why Rick Serrano wasn't having the Gabriel Iglesias comedy show at the Walter Gerrells.
suga suga

Carlsbad, NM

#17 Oct 15, 2009
JIM GRANTNER IS IN THE COMMITTEE FOR THE CIVIC CENTER, ISNT THAT CONFLICT OF INTEREST AS WELL?? HMM I WOULD THINK SO
suga suga

Carlsbad, NM

#18 Oct 15, 2009
I BELIEVE IT WAS BECUASE GUY WAS CHARGING 25% OF TICKET SALES
Richard

Carlsbad, NM

#19 Oct 15, 2009
Well said, but I also wonder why the city attorney was not mentioned. Didn't she review the contract with recommendation before it was voted on?
know the facts wrote:
The issue of the contract was blown out of context. It was not about Guy's performance, what he had done or not done, although I can see how he took this very personally.
The verbiage in the contract was wrong. The city council didn't read the contract thoroughly and catch some of the verbiage. IT became apparent there was a problem with the contract the way it was currently written in the last 3 years. The only way the city could change the contract was to amend it or re-write it and put in out for RFP.
Mr. Lutman was not willing to have the contract amended, in his stubbornness he showed a lack of cooperation toward the city council. This I think was what shot Guy in the foot.
What is wrong with the contract?
Mr. Lutman was allotted $95,000 a year to promote, manage, and maintain the WGPAC. This included him paying for all utilities, minor structural issues like paint, titles, restroom amenities, janitorial service and supplies. HE could spend the $95,000 budget given to him on these things and make any additional improvements to the facility with this money. Out of the $95,000 he also could draw a small salary at his choosing.
BUT he was also given full control of the facility, the rental revenue from the use of the facility was also HIS. So he got to double dip, take a salary, have a rent free building for his own business, and keep ALL revenue from the building. PLUS, the city of Carlsbad supplied the WGPAC a full time employee that Guy supervised.
Because there was no fee structure put in place by the city of Carlsbad. The rental revenue was set by Guy himself. Now Guy did a great job with local business and groups for the rental of the building. He priced the annex reasonable and built up a great report with people. There is not doubt in his success there.
But as a promoter himself, things got tricky when outside promoters tried to book the facility. This became competition against Guy Lutman Enterprises. Guy would request not only rent for the building, charge a fee for lighting and sound, but also in some cases request a percentage of the ticket sales!
The city wanted to amend the contract to control the rental fees and additional charges that might be taken as unfair to outside promoters.
In the last City Council meeting before this one this week. Brad Day specifically said he was looking to see if Guy was willing to negotiate and have the Advisory Board set fees. IF he was willing cooperate, he would recommend the one year extension with the amendments. If you watch the meeting on channel 23, you will see that Guy was not willing to respond or cooperate to any new structure on the contract.
IT is a shame that Guy became stubborn. He has spent the City's budget of $95,000 a year for the last 3 years very well at the WGPAC and with the City’s money been able to make changes. The benefit to Guy being at the facility was someone looked at the building everyday and said, "Hum, what can we do to make this place look better." And he did it.
But don't forget it was with the City of Carlsbad's money, not Guy Lutman's.
Guy should swallow his pride, take a look at the real issue and rebid the contract. Based on his performance, his tract record, he should have a good chance to be awarded the bid. But the new contract will not allow all the freedoms the original contract had.
The city council did the right thing to amend a mistake and fix it. IT is a shame Guy took it so personal. It wasn't his fault the contract was badly written. However, it is the responsibility of the city council to fix a problem when they recognize it.
Exactly

Carlsbad, NM

#20 Oct 15, 2009
suga suga wrote:
JIM GRANTNER IS IN THE COMMITTEE FOR THE CIVIC CENTER, ISNT THAT CONFLICT OF INTEREST AS WELL?? HMM I WOULD THINK SO
I dont think it is a conflict of interest unless Jim Grantner stood to make money from events there, which he does not. Every event that Lutman had meant money for HIS enterprises. The fact that he controlled who played there as part of the contract and then controlled the expenses OUTSIDE the contract (related expenses - ticketing, security, etc) made it a conflict of interest. A government employee (which a contractor essentially is for that contract) cannot have involvement that would benefit them personally for things associated with the contract. Lutman did just that. He shouldn't have. Period.

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