Fairlawn plan for cell tower splits churches

[hippie chick]

me-ksu alum wrote:

as a resident of the heights, i can't wait for the new tower. my coverage sucks. there is no published data saying there is a danger from environmental radiation...and a 3' diameter pole isn't that ugly. it's not like they wanna put up a windmill that squeaks and groans all the time. lets just deal with it and move on.

maybe they should build the tower in the "heights"

[Scooter Moonpie]

LilMissMadison wrote:

WWJD?

What's that mean?

Who Wants Jack Daniels?

[Very Opinionated]

BIG BUCKEYE DADDY wrote:

Facts of the case:
1. Not a Protestant/Catholic issue or Christian/Non-Christian issue, period.
2. St Hilary was not offered the tower, and their parish council unanimously agreed at last meeting that if they had been, they would have refused it.
3. St Hilary has 2750 families, not 1750...as stated by the ABJ. So the impact of the tower hits them much more than Faith Lutheran with its 250 families.
4. St Hilary School has approximately 700 students at their day school, who attend classes 180 days per year for 7 hours per day. That is 75,600 minutes of exposure per child, not including additional exposure during mass and athletic events on the campus. St Hilary PSR also has approximately 500 students for after school religious studies for 3 hours a week. These students are also at risk. St Hilary also has daily masses during the week, and 5 weekend masses, versus the 2 services at Faith; again much more exposure risk.
5. There are studies which say these towers show no conclusive health risks. Key words are "no conclusive". There are also studies showing that the risks cannot be ruled out. I do not want the 1200 children at the St Hilary School and PSR to be the guinea pigs.
6. The other safety risks are that of children and teens playing around or climbing the structures. The St Hilary soccer fields are used by children not only from the parish. Teams from GAASA(Greater Akron Soccer Association), CYO (Catholic Youth Organization) and other independent soccer clubs use the fields continuously after school hours. Who is responsible to keep those participants as well as spectators' children from hurting themselves after going after a ball or other child temptations such as climbing, etc.
7. A 140 ft high, 3 ft diameter pole is an eyesore anywhere you put it, but it is especially unsightly when it is put in a wide open yet highly visible area, such as next to a school and parking lot. Behind Fairlawn Town Center would be a much better spot, in my opinion.
8. The property values of the Camelot and French Quarter owners as well as both Church's may decrease due to the tower. Although both parishes will probably not lose members over this, both the St Hilary School and PSR as well as the Faith Lutheran Preschool will lose students over this tower.
9. Bottom line, Faith Lutheran has no reason to do this except for money...and are doing this with no regard to the asthetic implications for their neighbors, nor regard for the health and well-being of over 1000 children.
For the record, I am a St Hilary Parish member, a member of Parish Council and have a children in the school.

AMEN!

[QTBaby]

"Those in opposition say they want to know why another location wasn't considered and suggest the motivation for the proposed tower could be money."

--duh.

[Homeowner]

Steve G wrote:

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Those loading docks, they are right on the other side of the fence from people's property. So it would be in their back yard. And from what the story said it would be too close to a residential property so it wouldn't be allowed.
You really have no idea what is there behind Fairlawn Town Center. You just think that behind the stores is some nasty desolate place, so lets put it there. The point is, that is somebody's back yard.
PS I knew the shopping complex was there when I bought the house. There is a high fence and trees so I can barely see the building.

So you don't want it in your back yard, or where people live....but its okay to have it 10 feet from where people play and where kids are for 7/hours a day. That makes sense.

How did Ken Stewart get out of his cell tower mess ?

[Former Saber]

I attended St. Hilary school for eight years. If the teachers and recess monitors (or "Playground Nazis," as we used to call them) are as overzealous now as they were then, no child will get anywhere near that tower.

Nice try crying "student safety," but let's be honest; you just don't want an eyesore next to your soccer field.

[me-ksu alum]

hippie chick wrote:

<quoted text>maybe they should build the tower in the "heights"

do you know where the heights is in relation to st. hilary's and FL? behind it. when i walk down my block, i cross one street and am in st. hilary's field. look at a map before being snarky. this thing would be within eyesight from my porch. then you could call me on my cell phone and whine.

[Bergermeister]

me-ksu alum wrote:

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do you know where the heights is in relation to st. hilary's and FL? behind it. when i walk down my block, i cross one street and am in st. hilary's field. look at a map before being snarky. this thing would be within eyesight from my porch. then you could call me on my cell phone and whine.

That's what I thought. First Merit, next door, is my bank. That IS the heights for all intents and purposes.

[Bergermeister]

Actually, a place they really could put it would be in the Town Center parking lot by the old Circuit City store. That corner over by Giant Eagle has always been vacant; except for maybe the day after Thanksgiving.

[hippie chick]

me-ksu alum wrote:

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do you know where the heights is in relation to st. hilary's and FL? behind it. when i walk down my block, i cross one street and am in st. hilary's field. look at a map before being snarky. this thing would be within eyesight from my porch. then you could call me on my cell phone and whine.

i know exactly where the "heights" is. I don't whine.

[Steve G]

Homeowner wrote:

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So you don't want it in your back yard, or where people live....but its okay to have it 10 feet from where people play and where kids are for 7/hours a day. That makes sense.
How did Ken Stewart get out of his cell tower mess ?

I didn't say I want it at Faith Lutheran Church. I'm just correcting the people on this board that keep saying "Put it behind Fairlawn Town Center". They seem to think its an old abandonded warehouse district back there. It isn't it is full of residential property.

The problem is nobody wants these in their back yard. But they are a necessity for those that live on their cell phones (I'm not one of them).

One more point, I have good coverage on my Sprint cell phone in that area, so there must be a tower somewhere that has that covered. Why not just add their hardware to that existing tower?

[Steve G]

Bergermeister wrote:

Actually, a place they really could put it would be in the Town Center parking lot by the old Circuit City store. That corner over by Giant Eagle has always been vacant; except for maybe the day after Thanksgiving.

DUH, for the fourth time, there is residential property right behind that wall behind the stores. What about the people that live there? Are you all incapable of reading? Or do you think it is vacant land behind that shopping center. Or do you just think that the land by the church matters more than where other people live.

[Steve G]

Bergermeister, I see now that you were the first person that said it should be in Fairlawn Town Center. You either didn't read my posts, don't care, or are just trying to get me riled up.

[hippie chick]

Steve G wrote:

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I didn't say I want it at Faith Lutheran Church. I'm just correcting the people on this board that keep saying "Put it behind Fairlawn Town Center". They seem to think its an old abandonded warehouse district back there. It isn't it is full of residential property.
The problem is nobody wants these in their back yard. But they are a necessity for those that live on their cell phones (I'm not one of them).
One more point, I have good coverage on my Sprint cell phone in that area, so there must be a tower somewhere that has that covered. Why not just add their hardware to that existing tower?

i agree with you.

[Very Opinionated]

Homeowner wrote:

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So you don't want it in your back yard, or where people live....but its okay to have it 10 feet from where people play and where kids are for 7/hours a day. That makes sense.
How did Ken Stewart get out of his cell tower mess ?

Here is the Resolution adopted by Summit County with regards to the cell phone tower proposed for Bath Township, which by the way was T-Mobile - go figure!

http://www.co.summit.oh.us/council/pdfs/legis...

It was tabled at a Bath Trustees meeting and T-Mobile said they would explore other options. Here we are just alittle over a year later and T-Mobile is at it again.

Here is photo of what the proposed tower would look like... http://www.akron.com/20070329/wsl4.asp

http://www.akron.com/20070524/wsl4.asp

[hippie chick]

me-ksu alum wrote:

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do you know where the heights is in relation to st. hilary's and FL? behind it. when i walk down my block, i cross one street and am in st. hilary's field. look at a map before being snarky. this thing would be within eyesight from my porch. then you could call me on my cell phone and whine.

i"m changing my name to snarky chick from the "heights"

[Oh Yeah]

BIG BUCKEYE DADDY wrote:

Facts of the case:
1. Not a Protestant/Catholic issue or Christian/Non-Christian issue, period.
3. St Hilary has 2750 families, not 1750...as stated by the ABJ. So the impact of the tower hits them much more than Faith Lutheran with its 250 families.
4. St Hilary School has approximately 700 students at their day school, who attend classes 180 days per year for 7 hours per day. That is 75,600 minutes of exposure per child, not including additional exposure during mass and athletic events on the campus. St Hilary PSR also has approximately 500 students for after school religious studies for 3 hours a week. These students are also at risk. St Hilary also has daily masses during the week, and 5 weekend masses, versus the 2 services at Faith; again much more exposure risk.
5. There are studies which say these towers show no conclusive health risks. Key words are "no conclusive". There are also studies showing that the risks cannot be ruled out. I do not want the 1200 children at the St Hilary School and PSR to be the guinea pigs.
6. The other safety risks are that of children and teens playing around or climbing the structures.
7. A 140 ft high, 3 ft diameter pole is an eyesore anywhere you put it, but it is especially unsightly when it is put in a wide open yet highly visible area, such as next to a school and parking lot. Behind Fairlawn Town Center would be a much better spot, in my opinion.
8. The property values of the Camelot and French Quarter owners as well as both Church's may decrease due to the tower. Although both parishes will probably not lose members over this, both the St Hilary School and PSR as well as the Faith Lutheran Preschool will lose students over this tower.
9. Bottom line, Faith Lutheran has no reason to do this except for money...and are doing this with no regard to the asthetic implications for their neighbors, nor regard for the health and well-being of over 1000 children.
For the record, I am a St Hilary Parish member, a member of Parish Council and have a children in the school.

You forgot to mention the most important statistic - number of fur coat wearing, Lexus-driving hypocrites attending Christmas mass there praying for the poor and downtrodden. Too many to count.
Based on past posts from you (with your ridiculous name), I assume you'd be happy to see the tower going up next to a public school.
And how can you lecture about staying on topic, when you ranted on and on about the superiority of your children's private school education over that of public schools in a topic that concerned sports tournaments? Typical Catholic hypocrite. Always preaching at others.
If your children are too precious to spend time in the vicinity of a cell phone tower, and you and your wife, the concerned parent, are so caught up in all the damage the radiation could cause, then I certainly hope you don't own cell phones or talk on them around your children, or provide them to your children, or own a microwave oven, and allow your children to use the microwave oven to make popcorn, and that you don't have televisions in your home or other electronic devices. You need to start a movement to outlaw cell phones and towers nationwide.
If you're so concerned about aesthetics and not offending your neighbors - then stop planting those rows of white crosses all over the front yard of your church. There's nothing worse than heading to Sky-Way for a burger and being forced to think about thousands of dead babies. Ugh.

[For good neighbors]

''What good is an outreach ministry if you have alienated your next-door neighbors?'' Brunovsky said.

And THAT, folks, is the only evaluation needed of a congregation's understanding of the Gospel, its ethics, and its level of respect for fellow Christians.

And let's not get uppity in thinking no Catholic parish would be capable of the same thing, given a potential income generator like this. I've been a member of each of these denominations, for decades in each, and I've seen a lot of immature squabbling from both sides.

Seeking unity in the heart of Christ is too often the last thing on the agenda, for either side.

From living here, I'd bet St. Hillary has been a darn good neighbor, and having its school full of kids being properly raised in sound catechesis is a blessing to the neighbor congregation. This is no way to treat a good neighbor.

[St Hilary Supporter]

Oh Yeah wrote:

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You forgot to mention the most important statistic - number of fur coat wearing, Lexus-driving hypocrites attending Christmas mass there praying for the poor and downtrodden. Too many to count.
Based on past posts from you (with your ridiculous name), I assume you'd be happy to see the tower going up next to a public school.
And how can you lecture about staying on topic, when you ranted on and on about the superiority of your children's private school education over that of public schools in a topic that concerned sports tournaments? Typical Catholic hypocrite. Always preaching at others.
If your children are too precious to spend time in the vicinity of a cell phone tower, and you and your wife, the concerned parent, are so caught up in all the damage the radiation could cause, then I certainly hope you don't own cell phones or talk on them around your children, or provide them to your children, or own a microwave oven, and allow your children to use the microwave oven to make popcorn, and that you don't have televisions in your home or other electronic devices. You need to start a movement to outlaw cell phones and towers nationwide.
If you're so concerned about aesthetics and not offending your neighbors - then stop planting those rows of white crosses all over the front yard of your church. There's nothing worse than heading to Sky-Way for a burger and being forced to think about thousands of dead babies. Ugh.

Our children go to St Hilary School and we work very hard to send our two children there. When we were looking at the school, many people said that the school was snobby, full of rich uncaring people. We were told that there were hypocrites and staunch Catholics that will brainwash the children. We were also warned about the cliches of parents and that there was no "family feel" to the school. We by no means have lots of money, like some. We have found the families to be generous, kind, wonderful parents, with well mannered and humble children. The teachers are hard working, wonderful kind people, that are not only educating our children, but they also teach manners, respect and appreciation for what has been given to them. The families are the most generous you will see. There are always "missions" and you will continue to read of the good deeds these families have done for the community for years to come.
If we lose even one family because of the cell tower, it will be a shame. The families that would leave because they are passionate about the safety of the children, are also the parents that passionately donate their time and money to make St Hilary a better place for our children.
There is nothing wrong with being passionate about your stance, when your children are at stake.

[St Hilary Supporter]

For good neighbors wrote:

''What good is an outreach ministry if you have alienated your next-door neighbors?'' Brunovsky said.
And THAT, folks, is the only evaluation needed of a congregation's understanding of the Gospel, its ethics, and its level of respect for fellow Christians.
And let's not get uppity in thinking no Catholic parish would be capable of the same thing, given a potential income generator like this. I've been a member of each of these denominations, for decades in each, and I've seen a lot of immature squabbling from both sides.
Seeking unity in the heart of Christ is too often the last thing on the agenda, for either side.
From living here, I'd bet St. Hillary has been a darn good neighbor, and having its school full of kids being properly raised in sound catechesis is a blessing to the neighbor congregation. This is no way to treat a good neighbor.

You take this kind wonderul man's words out of context. There is no one more fair and respectful, than Father Steve. And I am not Catholic.