U.S. Senate Subcommittee Fishing hea...

U.S. Senate Subcommittee Fishing hearing today looms as crossroads - if actions follow

There are 14 comments on the www.gloucestertimes.com story from Jun 21, 2011, titled U.S. Senate Subcommittee Fishing hearing today looms as crossroads - if actions follow. In it, www.gloucestertimes.com reports that:

New catch shares regulatory scheme that's steering control of more fishermen's catch toward larger companies and outside investors

One of America's grandest public meeting halls will be home today to a hearing that, ideally, will shed more light on one of our federal government's worst and most unjust assaults on its own people.

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Since: Aug 10

Decatur, GA

#1 Jun 21, 2011
Welcome to America where the government's ONLY concern is big business. Where the working American has been kicked to curb time and time again as the government coddles and protects the big businesses that can pay their way into the hearts and souls of the politicians the working people vote for.

It has happened to truck drivers. It has happened to farmers. It has happened to IT workers. It has happened to people who worked in manufacturing plants. It has happened to teachers. It has happened to mom and pop businesses. It has happened in big cities and small towns. Fisherman of America, welcome to a country that doesn't value your hard work and dedication. YOU can't contribute enough to the next campaign. YOU don't have enough money to pad the pockets of a slick-talking lobbyist. You don't have a ticker symbol on Wall Street.

You're just a working person trying to earn a living. But in America, those days are nearly done for. Eventually EVERYONE will be working for a (if not THE) corporation.

That's what we get, America, for not facing facts and rising up and demanding this government=corporation clusterf*#@ come to and end. Instead we've sat back and let it happen to other people, thinking "oh, that'll never happen to me."

When is enough going to be enough? When are we going to take America back for AMERICANS? In 2012??? Yep, more voting. We see where that gets us. For at least the last 30 years every president has done worse than the one that came before him. If we don't come together as Americans and take back our nation, we have no one to blame but ourselves when we're finally nothing but one giant conglomerate with no chance for the little person to ever succeed.

Since: Dec 08

Kerrville, TX

#2 Jun 21, 2011
This sounds like another government agency that is running amuck. I don't care if it is Republican or Democrat, these agencies appearently have no oversight and the president is clueless. This latest fiasco by the BATF and now this NOAA abortion just proves it. What is it going to take to get the governments attention? Civil disobedience? Armed insurrection?

Since: Aug 10

Decatur, GA

#3 Jun 21, 2011
It's sad because it seems all people want to do is wage a futile bipartisan war that is helping no one. While the country is being destroyed from within we sit around making smart a** comments about one political party or another.

We worry about the debt we're leaving our children? We'd better damn site be worried about the lack of jobs we'll be leaving our children and the lack of opportunity they'll have to succeed beyond a corporate controlled government.
Lance Winslow

United States

#4 Jun 21, 2011
tidy catz wrote:
It's sad because it seems all people want to do is wage a futile bipartisan war that is helping no one. While the country is being destroyed from within we sit around making smart a** comments about one political party or another.
We worry about the debt we're leaving our children? We'd better damn site be worried about the lack of jobs we'll be leaving our children and the lack of opportunity they'll have to succeed beyond a corporate controlled government.
You sound new to Topix. If you've got nothing negative to say about Obama and you have something intelligent to say about concerns for our future, that puts you in a small minority.

Since: Aug 10

Decatur, GA

#5 Jun 21, 2011
Lance Winslow wrote:
<quoted text>You sound new to Topix. If you've got nothing negative to say about Obama and you have something intelligent to say about concerns for our future, that puts you in a small minority.
Not new, just frustrated. The trolls on Topix don't bother me near as much as the complacency of the nation. We like to complain a lot but when push comes to shove we really don't care what happens. We just roll with the flow because we believe there is nothing we can do to change our course. How in the world did we get so completely controlled and when did we turn our entire existence over to the government? How is it that the government wields such tremendous power over us? How is it that it can make decisions for us without even consulting us first?

As a nation we should outraged at some of the things that have gone in in our government in the last 25 or 30 years, but we're not at all concerned. Instead we smile and say "OK" while the government takes more away from from us. Is there ever going to be a last straw?

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#6 Jun 21, 2011
tidy catz wrote:
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Not new, just frustrated. The trolls on Topix don't bother me near as much as the complacency of the nation. We like to complain a lot but when push comes to shove we really don't care what happens. We just roll with the flow because we believe there is nothing we can do to change our course. How in the world did we get so completely controlled and when did we turn our entire existence over to the government? How is it that the government wields such tremendous power over us? How is it that it can make decisions for us without even consulting us first?
As a nation we should outraged at some of the things that have gone in in our government in the last 25 or 30 years, but we're not at all concerned. Instead we smile and say "OK" while the government takes more away from from us. Is there ever going to be a last straw?
You've been on these threads long enough to know. We go with the flow because we don't have a cadre of lobbyists pushing our agenda, whatever it may be. You think allocating the largest shares to the commercial side is unusual? It's always been that way. Big and bigger business. And all the teabaggers want to do is give them more perks. The Supreme Court doesn't help with all their rulings in favor of big business. Wal Mart anyone? We need to stop all forms of lobbying by anyone and any group.

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#7 Jun 21, 2011
sailorman2 wrote:
This sounds like another government agency that is running amuck. I don't care if it is Republican or Democrat, these agencies appearently have no oversight and the president is clueless. This latest fiasco by the BATF and now this NOAA abortion just proves it. What is it going to take to get the governments attention? Civil disobedience? Armed insurrection?
You of all people should be happy, I'm surprised you don't want to cut their taxes too.

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#8 Jun 21, 2011
Mykro wrote:
<quoted text>You've been on these threads long enough to know. We go with the flow because we don't have a cadre of lobbyists pushing our agenda, whatever it may be. You think allocating the largest shares to the commercial side is unusual? It's always been that way. Big and bigger business. And all the teabaggers want to do is give them more perks. The Supreme Court doesn't help with all their rulings in favor of big business. Wal Mart anyone? We need to stop all forms of lobbying by anyone and any group.
I admire your resentful cynicism. You are a commendable realist.
Lance Winslow

United States

#9 Jun 21, 2011
tidy catz wrote:
<quoted text>
Not new, just frustrated. The trolls on Topix don't bother me near as much as the complacency of the nation. We like to complain a lot but when push comes to shove we really don't care what happens. We just roll with the flow because we believe there is nothing we can do to change our course. How in the world did we get so completely controlled and when did we turn our entire existence over to the government? How is it that the government wields such tremendous power over us? How is it that it can make decisions for us without even consulting us first?
As a nation we should outraged at some of the things that have gone in in our government in the last 25 or 30 years, but we're not at all concerned. Instead we smile and say "OK" while the government takes more away from from us. Is there ever going to be a last straw?
I sincerely believe times are changing. Past elections were bought with media time, political commercial lies. Now those media are defunct and social networks online will do for America what they've done overseas. The educated and savy will usurp corporate dollars' power.
America can only change for the better by better Americans changing it.

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#10 Jun 21, 2011
Mr_Bill wrote:
<quoted text>
I admire your resentful cynicism. You are a commendable realist.
Thanks. One of the biggest problems we face now is the dumbing down of the general populace and the middle class in particular. This incident is just a small example. How the Koch Bros hijacked the minds of the general working class is mind boggling.

Since: Aug 10

Decatur, GA

#12 Jun 22, 2011
Lance Winslow wrote:
<quoted text>I sincerely believe times are changing. Past elections were bought with media time, political commercial lies. Now those media are defunct and social networks online will do for America what they've done overseas. The educated and savy will usurp corporate dollars' power.
America can only change for the better by better Americans changing it.
Not a chance, Lance. Hey, that rhymed.:-)

If nothing, social media has created a new industry for political lying and manipulation that those who want to believe have bought into. If it's on the internet it must be true, right?

And it's not so much the candidates, it's what they do AFTER they are elected. Over the years the people of the U.S. have become more controlled by governments (state, local and federal) and governments have become more tyrannical and self-centered.

And you HAVE to pay into the game in order to survive. Here's an example:

For decades now the tobacco industry has taken a near fatal beating from the federal government. Just yesterday tobacco companies were told they HAVE to put graphic images of smoking-related illnesses on their packages. WTF!?!?! I don't smoke and don't advocate it, but why is it the government's job to make sure no one does smoke? If they government is sooooooo concerned for our health and well being, shouldn't they mandate that graphic pictures of drunk driving accidents be on the sides of beer bottles?

The government couldn't care less about your health. You could drop dead tomorrow and no one in Washington would know or give a hoot. What they care about is the money the insurance industry is pouring into their pockets via lobbyists determined to cut the costs of cigarette related illnesses. The insurance lobby spends BILLIONS of dollars every year butt-kissing politicians for regulations on smoking, food, etc. NOT because they're concerned about your health, but because they're concerned you might have to see a doctor.

So again, what about alcohol? Here we have one of the most detrimental vices known to man - it kills countless people every year, causes untold loss of productivity, elevates domestic violence and crime rates and that's the short list. Does the government insist on curtailing the alcohol industry to protect us from ourselves? Not on your life (literally) because the beverage lobby coughs up BILLIONS of dollars a year to butt-kiss politicians. Alcohol has not seen a federal tax increase since 1958.

The tobacco industry made the mistake long ago of not playing the butt-kiss game and you see what happened to them. Again, I don't advocate smoking; it's not healthy for you, but politicians are not concerned about your health, they are concerned about who can and will continue to be extorted for money. Pay enough and you get protection; don't pay and you suffer the consequences.

The U.S. government is an overbearing, money-hungry machine run by people who live in an alternative reality. None of them have the best interest of this nation or its people at heart or they would do the things that ARE in our best interest. Instead they court and woo anything that can make them buck, then they turn around and give that money away to foreign countries for more favors. The average American, the average taxpayer, the average voter, the little person - however you want to think of him - is of no value to the government whatsoever and as time goes on we will continue to enjoy fewer freedoms and spend more and more to not have them.

Since: Aug 10

Decatur, GA

#13 Jun 22, 2011
Mykro wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks. One of the biggest problems we face now is the dumbing down of the general populace and the middle class in particular. This incident is just a small example. How the Koch Bros hijacked the minds of the general working class is mind boggling.
I don't know that they have hijacked the working class. Most working class people really don't have the time or money to be vocal about much of anything. Usually what you hear in defense of the over-corporating of America is what political pundits have to say, and these pundits are multi-millionaires who are only looking out for their own best interests. Not to mention much of their sponsorship comes from big business. If someone paid me a million dollars to talk nice about them I'd certainly find a way to do it no matter how bad they might actually be.

I'll agree that America is not as smart as it needs to be. But most people are followers and politicians are well aware of that. Some people just have to be part of something or be part of a group or feel they have to think a certain way because it's popular. But the biggest problem is that Americans are plain lazy. They'll listen to 5 minutes of some mass media on television and that's all the information they need to make informed choices and discuss issues. They are too lazy to question or think or dig deeper or factor in all the variables. For example - how many people think the country's financial problems were caused by Obama? It's as if they'd been asleep until January 20, 2009. Nothing bad ever happened before then.

As Americans, we can't fix our problems until we acknowledge them and in doing so we HAVE to admit that at least 30 years worth of presidents have led us astray. We didn't get into this shape last week or last year; it's taken years and years of mismanagement and until we can come to terms with that we'll never come together to fix ourselves.

I'm 53. This is the worst I have ever felt about my country. It's the worst I've ever seen it be. My father is about to turn 78. He says it's the worst he's ever seen it be. It's been a long time coming and if we don't put the brakes on it we're going to wake up one morning and not even recognize where we are.

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#14 Jun 22, 2011
tidy catz wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know that they have hijacked the working class. Most working class people really don't have the time or money to be vocal about much of anything. Usually what you hear in defense of the over-corporating of America is what political pundits have to say, and these pundits are multi-millionaires who are only looking out for their own best interests. Not to mention much of their sponsorship comes from big business. If someone paid me a million dollars to talk nice about them I'd certainly find a way to do it no matter how bad they might actually be.
I'll agree that America is not as smart as it needs to be. But most people are followers and politicians are well aware of that. Some people just have to be part of something or be part of a group or feel they have to think a certain way because it's popular. But the biggest problem is that Americans are plain lazy. They'll listen to 5 minutes of some mass media on television and that's all the information they need to make informed choices and discuss issues. They are too lazy to question or think or dig deeper or factor in all the variables. For example - how many people think the country's financial problems were caused by Obama? It's as if they'd been asleep until January 20, 2009. Nothing bad ever happened before then.
As Americans, we can't fix our problems until we acknowledge them and in doing so we HAVE to admit that at least 30 years worth of presidents have led us astray. We didn't get into this shape last week or last year; it's taken years and years of mismanagement and until we can come to terms with that we'll never come together to fix ourselves.
I'm 53. This is the worst I have ever felt about my country. It's the worst I've ever seen it be. My father is about to turn 78. He says it's the worst he's ever seen it be. It's been a long time coming and if we don't put the brakes on it we're going to wake up one morning and not even recognize where we are.
Of course they hijacked the minds of the middle class. They feed us disinformation all the time. How do you think we wound up with Iraq, Homeland Insecurity, and the anything but, Patriot Act? Just why would the dumbass voters in FloriDUH elect the biggest medicare ripoff artist we've ever seen? They agree with tax breaks for millionaires while they themselves don't even have a job.

Since: Aug 10

Decatur, GA

#15 Jun 22, 2011
Mykro wrote:
<quoted text>Of course they hijacked the minds of the middle class. They feed us disinformation all the time. How do you think we wound up with Iraq, Homeland Insecurity, and the anything but, Patriot Act? Just why would the dumbass voters in FloriDUH elect the biggest medicare ripoff artist we've ever seen? They agree with tax breaks for millionaires while they themselves don't even have a job.
Amazing, isn't it?

Iraq was easy. Fear is the greatest manipulator of all. Tell people the zombie apocolypse is going to happen and that you can save them and you'll have them eating out of your hand.

Many people have a deep-seated need to belief in the government. They want to think that the government is good and wise and it will keep us safe from harm. It's kind of like religion. And God knows if Fox News tells them that only a Republican can save them from the zombie apocolypse... well, you see? It doesn't take much.

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