Frenchman Joubert wins at skating wor...

Frenchman Joubert wins at skating worlds, American Lysacek fifth

There are 30 comments on the Boston Herald story from Mar 22, 2007, titled Frenchman Joubert wins at skating worlds, American Lysacek fifth. In it, Boston Herald reports that:

"It's been a great season," Joubert said Thursday after watching hometown favorite Daisuke Takahashi bring the house down with the best free skate of the night but fall short of the lead.

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“All MEN ARE VINCIBLE!!!!!!!! !!”

Since: Jan 07

SomeWhere in Georgia

#1 Mar 23, 2007
Where was Johnny? He was TENTH! The "Wannabe" RusssssH! I is not bad, Lysacek, with Frank Carroll being your coach!
Carmen

Kirklin, IN

#2 Mar 25, 2007
018I just finished watching the world championships and have a comment. I'm really getting weary of Kurt Browning and his constant dragging through the mud of Sasha Cohen and Johnny Weir. His how to demonstrate a fall segment really hit me the wrong way. I have been a long time skating fan and can recall a few times Kurt's body was supported by something other than his blades. And who can forget his famous hat routine, he tried to bounce a fedora,I think, from shoulder to elbow. It didn't work out to well as I recall. So come on Kurt give these two great figure skaters a break. Funny, you could have used a clip of Jeff Buttle hitting the ice, there are plenty of them to go around. Our new champions are on top at home, but didn't exactly "wow" them on a world stage.

“Hope for Best- Expect Worst”

Since: Jan 07

Somewhere in Colorado

#3 Mar 27, 2007
Carmen wrote:
018I just finished watching the world championships and have a comment. I'm really getting weary of Kurt Browning and his constant dragging through the mud of Sasha Cohen and Johnny Weir. His how to demonstrate a fall segment really hit me the wrong way. I have been a long time skating fan and can recall a few times Kurt's body was supported by something other than his blades. And who can forget his famous hat routine, he tried to bounce a fedora,I think, from shoulder to elbow. It didn't work out to well as I recall. So come on Kurt give these two great figure skaters a break. Funny, you could have used a clip of Jeff Buttle hitting the ice, there are plenty of them to go around. Our new champions are on top at home, but didn't exactly "wow" them on a world stage.
Yes Kurt is not one to talk. Inspite of his wold gold medals apparantly he did plenty of falling down when it counted at the two olympics he attended, so he of all people should understnd that people are fallible. At least Sasha Cohan and Johnny Weir have artistic, fluid programs which are memorable for their beauty. And who in the world hasn't fallen at one time or another.
Carmen

Kirklin, IN

#4 Mar 28, 2007
If Sasha Cohen and Johnny Weir's era is over so be it. But there's no need to constantly ridicule two very talented people. Through the years our country has had many great and talented figure skaters but the most beautiful to watch are the Russians. There's just something about Russian skating, they make it look like they were born with skates.

“All MEN ARE VINCIBLE!!!!!!!! !!”

Since: Jan 07

SomeWhere in Georgia

#5 Mar 28, 2007
Oh, are you stating something to me. You statement is totally ridiculous. You can figuratively kiss-up to the Russians to your heart's desire, and you no where. There is one blogger will be glad to blog with you about your arrogant statement. Cami, Poseidon, and I did not think so.

In addition, I have heard that they skate, like gods. The arrogant statements never end about the Russian skaters and cooches. You can keep praising them all you want, but do not expect reasonable thinking people to do, as you. I never seen or heard such as false rhetoric about mere men, as your statements and other bloggers. They make it look, like they was born with skate. What a LOL coment, you have stated!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!
Carmen wrote:
If Sasha Cohen and Johnny Weir's era is over so be it. But there's no need to constantly ridicule two very talented people. Through the years our country has had many great and talented figure skaters but the most beautiful to watch are the Russians. There's just something about Russian skating, they make it look like they were born with skates.

“All MEN ARE VINCIBLE!!!!!!!! !!”

Since: Jan 07

SomeWhere in Georgia

#6 Mar 28, 2007
Carmen: Finally, one stating the truth about people is not ridiculing anyone. I put the Russians in places, like the rest of the world people. They are not great, greater, or greastest beyond other nation's people, and I have a book that states, so. It is the best seller of all time! You figure that one out for yourself.

“Hope for Best- Expect Worst”

Since: Jan 07

Somewhere in Colorado

#7 Mar 28, 2007
Carmen wrote:
If Sasha Cohen and Johnny Weir's era is over so be it. But there's no need to constantly ridicule two very talented people. Through the years our country has had many great and talented figure skaters but the most beautiful to watch are the Russians. There's just something about Russian skating, they make it look like they were born with skates.
To Carmen,

I agree with you, and the evidence is here today, with everyone getting a Russian coach whenever they get a chance. Today 186 Russian coaches are based in the US and are coaching not only Americans but Canadians and others in the world who come here to get training and choreographers, like the Chinese, the Japanese, Bulgarians etc.

Due to world events and the complete political, social and economic upheaval, the world has it's chance to get their hands on those coaches and the level of figure skating world-wide has gone up. Thanks to the upheaval however, the Russian figure skating has fallen on tough times, with most of the coaches gone, and many of the talented students from the former Soviet Union trained in the Russian school of ice skating are skaitng with other partners around the world, such as with the Bulgarian ice dance team, the German pairs tearm and several American ice dance teams. In fact all of americas Ice dancers have been taught by Russian coaches and it is paying off, with Belbin and Agost and Charlie white and his partner who have trained with Russians most of their lives finally on a world level where they can compete.

It is rare for people to admit it though.
In the case of Joubert who had several years of help from Alexi Yagudin and another Russian coach, he got a french coach and a Canadian choreographer and he won this year, but Plushenko was not there.
Now Jouberts attitude and the french attitude is RUSSSIAN COACH WHO? How quickly they use those coaches and then again how quicly they deny them.
Carmen

Kirklin, IN

#8 Mar 28, 2007
To Eddie07,

My deepest apologies, I was not stating anything directly to you. I was simply stating my personal opinion. I have a deep respect for the best seller of all time. I just did not know it covered figure skating.

“All MEN ARE VINCIBLE!!!!!!!! !!”

Since: Jan 07

SomeWhere in Georgia

#9 Mar 28, 2007
Carmen wrote:
To Eddie07,
My deepest apologies, I was not stating anything directly to you. I was simply stating my personal opinion. I have a deep respect for the best seller of all time. I just did not know it covered figure skating.
I accept your somewaht apologie. To you last statement, It does over it, "bodily exercise profits little", is from Romans. It also covers arrogant and envy. It states that all men are alike and have the same potential!
Carmen

Kirklin, IN

#10 Mar 28, 2007
If American ice dancers have had Russian coaches it certainly has paid off. I never really enjoyed ice dancing until recently. Although I love to watch Belbin and Agosto, the Bulgarians seem to be on a level of their own. And Joubert is great technicaly but I love the more elegant style of Tomas Verner, who coaches him?

“All MEN ARE VINCIBLE!!!!!!!! !!”

Since: Jan 07

SomeWhere in Georgia

#11 Mar 28, 2007
As Cami, pointed out, Mishin had a skating student that placed 20th in this year's WORLDS. Why didn't all of his student sweep the podium or other Russian coaches' students were in order of sequence, as for an example after the following: 1., 2., 3., 4,.........16 and so on and so fourth. The ten or sixteen positions should be all Russians skaters. Some of the Russian coaches do not have the top three, and where is it written that Russian coaches have to have the greatest skater at any time?

Your logic, just do not add up in realistic opining. Your and another blogger's reason about the Russians skaters just do not add up or make much sense, even with highly educated rhetoric or terminology. Arrogance does clouded one's rational logic. You and your blogs confidant can go right ahead and continue being irrational.
Carmen

Kirklin, IN

#12 Mar 28, 2007
Eddie07,

I stand corrected. I still stand with my original opinion. I have always enjoyed watching Russian men skate, but would rather watch American men play basketball. That may not be true for all people just my personal choice.

“All MEN ARE VINCIBLE!!!!!!!! !!”

Since: Jan 07

SomeWhere in Georgia

#13 Mar 28, 2007
You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I personal root for the Americans good or bad, but I do not and will not put Americans in places high, higher, and highest above other nations' people.

I like Yagudin over Plushenko; although, he did not set impressive records, as Plushenko did. Yagudin was not, as arrogance, as Plushenko seems to be. I guess, you can still like the Russian skaters, as you personally described them; even if, they get the twenith place.

I just do not perfer when some are affirming things, like Russian skating is totally superior to other countries' skatering. I do not like conciet skaters, as most of the Russian skaters are. You are fair, enough.

Why Russian sweeps are rare, if Russians are superior to the rest of the world's poplace?(rhetorical question for ?)

“All MEN ARE VINCIBLE!!!!!!!! !!”

Since: Jan 07

SomeWhere in Georgia

#14 Mar 28, 2007
I get confused sometimes, which Russian coaches are the best the ones that left Russia or the one that stayed.

Do the ones that left have to go back to Russia to be great?????????

What difference will it makes if Russian coaches coach on Russian soil????????

Is there an ancient Russian secret to figure skating that other nations' coaches do not know?

Russian skaters perform better than anyone to Russian composers' music.?????????

It is many ????? sign to some of the written rhetoric of some of these pro Russian superior skating comments in blog forums on Topix.net .

“Hope for Best- Expect Worst”

Since: Jan 07

Somewhere in Colorado

#15 Mar 28, 2007
Carmen wrote:
If American ice dancers have had Russian coaches it certainly has paid off. I never really enjoyed ice dancing until recently. Although I love to watch Belbin and Agosto, the Bulgarians seem to be on a level of their own. And Joubert is great technicaly but I love the more elegant style of Tomas Verner, who coaches him?
The following are Tomas Verner's coaches.
Choreographer: Rostislav Sinitsyn
Coach::Vlasta Koprivova, Michael Huth
Former coach: Iveta Bidarova

His coaches appear to be all Czech. Czechoslovakia has had a couple of men skaters who were in the top three, Joseph Sabochik was one and also a pair coached by Russian pairs skater and coach, Irina Rodnina received the gold medal.

I am not real famiiar with him, but I did enjoy his skating and he nearly broke into the top three.

“Hope for Best- Expect Worst”

Since: Jan 07

Somewhere in Colorado

#16 Mar 28, 2007
Carmen wrote:
If American ice dancers have had Russian coaches it certainly has paid off. I never really enjoyed ice dancing until recently. Although I love to watch Belbin and Agosto, the Bulgarians seem to be on a level of their own. And Joubert is great technicaly but I love the more elegant style of Tomas Verner, who coaches him?
Commentator Peggy Fleming has repeatedly mentioned that the entire American Ice dance team is being coached by Russians and has been for the pat 16 yars.
SOME ARGUMENTS FOR THE RUSSIAN COACHES.

Just two small current examples, of Russian coaches.

1. "The Kerrs have shown a marked improvement since joining forces with their new coach, the former Olympic champion Evgeny Platov, but the couple are under pressure to climb up the rankings as they advance towards the 2010 Winter Olympics. " Comment about the Kerrs Ice dance team from Britain. And Christopher Dean of Torville and Dean was their coach for a while and and they have shown a marked improvement with a Russian coach. Wow.


2. "Bulgaria loves and appreciates Albena Denkova and Maxim Staviski. Right after winning the ice dancing championship, they received a text message with congratulations from Bulgarian President Georgy Parvanov.
However, a considerable part of their success belongs to Russia as well. Staviski comes from Rostov-on-Don. The duet has been trained by Russian specialists, Alexei Gorshkov, and later - Natalya Linichuk. Perhaps, this fact might give at least some consolation to Russia" comments about the Bugarians winning the ice dance.

Bulgarians never even get close before this pair and half of it was Russian was coached by Russians for over a decade? The answer is no.

In addition The French pairs skaters, that thanks to Gordeeva and Grinkovs coaches actually made it into the top five or three -but in all fairness they were up against well-trained Russians. An American pairs team that thanks to Tamara Moskvina actually got into the top five but they too had the same problem. I'm sorry I don't remember their names but they were in the 2006 Olympics and reached 5th place. They were a pleasure to watch as they skated in the style of the Russians coached by Berezhnaya/Sikhuradlidze.

The last French pairs team to win, featured a world Junior Champion at age 14, Marina Anasina, who paird with Frenchman Gwendal Peserat, had been trained by Russian coaches all her life and then a French coach, but when they lost an origainal dance to A Russian team, they ran to Russian ic dance coach now based in Canada, Natalya Dubova.

These are just few recent examples. I hope I am not boring with too many examples.

“Hope for Best- Expect Worst”

Since: Jan 07

Somewhere in Colorado

#17 Mar 28, 2007
In addition The French pairs skaters, that thanks to Gordeeva and Grinkovs coaches actually made it into the top five or three -but in all fairness they were up against well-trained Russians. An American pairs team that thanks to Tamara Moskvina actually got into the top five but they too had the same problem. I'm sorry I don't remember their names but they were in the 2006 Olympics and reached 5th place. They were a pleasure to watch as they skated in the style of the Russians coached by Berezhnaya/Sikhuradlidze.

Sorry. That was a typo, I meant to say 2002 Olympics in Salt Lake City. I mispoke.

“All MEN ARE VINCIBLE!!!!!!!! !!”

Since: Jan 07

SomeWhere in Georgia

#18 Mar 28, 2007
Miki Ando was the first lady figure to do a Quad jump and she accomplishmed this with the American coach, Carol Heiss, WOW. Kurt Browning was the first male skaters to do the first Quad jump ever and he is listed in the Guiness Book of World Record, and he had a Canadian coach.

Boy, it is incredible how I start commening on a blog and some ? starts disgoring out Russian superior garbage. In the meantime, Mishin, Plushenko's coach, had a skating student in this year's WORLDS that placed 20th. What is the reason that he was not like Plushenko? Russian coaches cannot/could not get all the praises of a coach's success. Arrogance is a insane trait!! All people can use their accomplishments to boast far beyond themselves.

In the meantime, "we" did not see any this invincible greatness of the Russian coahes at this year's WORLDS, even not, from Plushenko's coach.

Why don't Mishin or Tasavoa? have one, two, and three ranked skaters in the worlds? Some logic is so scewed-up with highly educated terminology. Staking, what a joke, it is! Some are trying to hold on to the ship, but the ship is sinking, and has already sunk.
Carmen

Kirklin, IN

#19 Mar 28, 2007
To Stefanya

I was not bored reading your reply, you seem to be quite versed on Russian skating. Much more than myself. I enjoyed the learning experience, and reading your opinion.
Carmen

Kirklin, IN

#20 Mar 28, 2007
To Eddie07

Just to show I am not totally slanted toward Russian skaters, I also enjoy American skating as well. Evan Lysacek deserved to win nationals. Anyone could tell he had prepared himself well and had great determination. He's a very talented figure skater. But I also like the graceful style of Johnny Weir and he too should get some credit for that. And you never know, he may win again another day.

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