Worn out from nationals, Weir won...

Worn out from nationals, Weir won't be going to South Korea for Four Continents

There are 20 comments on the International Herald Tribune story from Jan 31, 2008, titled Worn out from nationals, Weir won't be going to South Korea for Four Continents. In it, International Herald Tribune reports that:

“The U.S. Championships were very exhausting physically and emotionally, and I want to be completely fresh for whatever competitions I enter”

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. : Johnny Weir won't be going to Four Continents. The runner-up at last weekend's U.S. Figure Skating Championships withdrew from next month's competition in Seoul, South Korea, on ... via International Herald Tribune

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Mindy Walker

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#1 Feb 1, 2008
Sure, Lysacek won only because Johnny talks too sassy for the US Figfure Skating Ass. Lysacek had horrible landings on almost all of his jumps, no deductions, huh? Johnny won the short, did a lovely long program and somehow Evan wins the thing when he does his arm flapping, stumbles on jumps, did an extra turn out of a jump [not good folks] and still wins? Ha ha , what a farce. Those judges just wanted Evan to win because he acts "masculine". ha ha again plus he has a girl- friend who also is a skater. TV wants a cute lovey dovie story.

“... Addicted To Figure Sk8ng ”

Since: Mar 07

Long Island NY

#2 Feb 2, 2008
Mindy Walker wrote:
Sure, Lysacek won only because Johnny talks too sassy for the US Figfure Skating Ass. Lysacek had horrible landings on almost all of his jumps, no deductions, huh? Johnny won the short, did a lovely long program and somehow Evan wins the thing when he does his arm flapping, stumbles on jumps, did an extra turn out of a jump [not good folks] and still wins? Ha ha , what a farce. Those judges just wanted Evan to win because he acts "masculine". ha ha again plus he has a girl- friend who also is a skater. TV wants a cute lovey dovie story.
http://thetripleaxel.blogspot.com/

Did you read my blog?

Are you agreeing with my point?

“Hope for Best- Expect Worst”

Since: Jan 07

Somewhere in Colorado

#3 Feb 2, 2008
Mindy Walker wrote:
Sure, Lysacek won only because Johnny talks too sassy for the US Figfure Skating Ass. Lysacek had horrible landings on almost all of his jumps, no deductions, huh? Johnny won the short, did a lovely long program and somehow Evan wins the thing when he does his arm flapping, stumbles on jumps, did an extra turn out of a jump [not good folks] and still wins? Ha ha , what a farce. Those judges just wanted Evan to win because he acts "masculine". ha ha again plus he has a girl- friend who also is a skater. TV wants a cute lovey dovie story.
Everyone knows that Weir won and he dit it with great style and with a lovely program. I guess even if we don't want to believe it there is still tampering with the scores, or some people are blind.
tristanjh

Lehi, UT

#4 Feb 2, 2008
Seriously...have any of you ever skated before? True, Johnny skated two clean programs with great artistry. If you evaluate the marks however, Evan scored higher in everything except the jumps (as a result of the less than fluid landings). His spins, footwork etc. are what won him the championship. Besides, perhaps Johnny should grow up a bit and understand that while he is certainly entitled to his opinions, it wouldn't hurt to show a bit more class. Evan made his point to the press without badmouthing Johnny once, even throwing him a few compliments. Johnny on the other hand spouts off like a spoiled brat. And he wonders why people dislike him.
Former_Champ

Bonney Lake, WA

#5 Feb 2, 2008
Quote Mindy...
Yup you said what I said...only better. But believe me, everyone in the world knows who the best skater is, and who deserved the Gold medal!

Since: Feb 08

Sandy, Utah

#6 Feb 2, 2008
Former_Champ wrote:
Quote Mindy...
Yup you said what I said...only better. But believe me, everyone in the world knows who the best skater is, and who deserved the Gold medal!
So you are a former champ of what exactly?

“Hope for Best- Expect Worst”

Since: Jan 07

Somewhere in Colorado

#7 Feb 2, 2008
tristanjh wrote:
Seriously...have any of you ever skated before? True, Johnny skated two clean programs with great artistry. If you evaluate the marks however, Evan scored higher in everything except the jumps (as a result of the less than fluid landings). His spins, footwork etc. are what won him the championship. Besides, perhaps Johnny should grow up a bit and understand that while he is certainly entitled to his opinions, it wouldn't hurt to show a bit more class. Evan made his point to the press without badmouthing Johnny once, even throwing him a few compliments. Johnny on the other hand spouts off like a spoiled brat. And he wonders why people dislike him.
I didn't see any bad attitude from Weir, I saw disappointment and happiness he had skated so well this year.

As for being a spoiled brat, Johnny is not spoiled. In fact he has the integrity to be true to himself. For example, instead of just using Russian coaches and choreogrpahers, like NEARLY all of the top skaters IN THE WORLD ARE DOING, he admires Russian culture (which by the way existed for nine decades before the soviet union) and acts accordingly. So he went to Russia to get a russian coach (Victor Petrenko and Galina Zmievskaya) and used Russian music. Of course this would be noticed by a Russian crowd. So what? Everyone else in the world uses Russian coaches and Choreographers with few exceptions and focus on being American or canadian etc., but American Ice dancing and pairs wouldn't be where it is today without the help of those coaches.

Just ask Belbin and Agosto, Davis and White ad Virtue and Moir and countess others. They just don't like to admit it.

As for Lysachek not being catty. Bullcrap! At the 2006 Olympics Lysacheck dissed Weir for skating with Russian skaters and socializing with them, which of course Lysacheck wasn't doing. He accused Weir of wanting to be a Russian, when Johnny clearly said on TV at the 2006 Cup of Russia that "he wanted to skate like a Russian" even though he was an American.

Johnny Weir is infintely more interesting to watch than Lysacheck in my opinion and is far more artistic. The rest is sour grapes.

“Hope for Best- Expect Worst”

Since: Jan 07

Somewhere in Colorado

#8 Feb 2, 2008
Sk8r Girl _ wrote:
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http://thetripleaxel.blogspot.com/
Did you read my blog?
Are you agreeing with my point?
Yes I did. And while I think both Lysacheck and Weir are excellent skaters, I admire Weirs artistry far more and I felt he had won. that lousy .01 of a point which put Lyscheck ahead was ridiculous. I don't admire them equally, and if it makes some people glad that the US has two skaters of great ability to take on the world, so be it. That's just my opinion. I like Johnny Weirs skating infinitely better and it is his performance which is standing out in my mind.

Since: Feb 08

Sandy, Utah

#9 Feb 2, 2008
Stefanya wrote:
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I didn't see any bad attitude from Weir, I saw disappointment and happiness he had skated so well this year.
As for being a spoiled brat, Johnny is not spoiled. In fact he has the integrity to be true to himself. For example, instead of just using Russian coaches and choreogrpahers, like NEARLY all of the top skaters IN THE WORLD ARE DOING, he admires Russian culture (which by the way existed for nine decades before the soviet union) and acts accordingly. So he went to Russia to get a russian coach (Victor Petrenko and Galina Zmievskaya) and used Russian music. Of course this would be noticed by a Russian crowd. So what? Everyone else in the world uses Russian coaches and Choreographers with few exceptions and focus on being American or canadian etc., but American Ice dancing and pairs wouldn't be where it is today without the help of those coaches.
Just ask Belbin and Agosto, Davis and White ad Virtue and Moir and countess others. They just don't like to admit it.
As for Lysachek not being catty. Bullcrap! At the 2006 Olympics Lysacheck dissed Weir for skating with Russian skaters and socializing with them, which of course Lysacheck wasn't doing. He accused Weir of wanting to be a Russian, when Johnny clearly said on TV at the 2006 Cup of Russia that "he wanted to skate like a Russian" even though he was an American.
Johnny Weir is infintely more interesting to watch than Lysacheck in my opinion and is far more artistic. The rest is sour grapes.
Clearly you missed quite a lot of the televised quotes from Johnny. He was so bold as to say that he was hands down the better skater and that if they both skated their best, he would win. Obviously not the case as Johnny skated well and Evan had a few mistakes, but his content was superior enough to earn him the championship.

As for the Russian thing, who cares? Nobody is debating the use of Russian coaches and I could care less if Johnny thinks Russian culture is fabulous. Thinking it doesn't make him a better skater.

“... Addicted To Figure Sk8ng ”

Since: Mar 07

Long Island NY

#10 Feb 2, 2008
tristanjh wrote:
Seriously...have any of you ever skated before? True, Johnny skated two clean programs with great artistry. If you evaluate the marks however, Evan scored higher in everything except the jumps (as a result of the less than fluid landings). His spins, footwork etc. are what won him the championship. Besides, perhaps Johnny should grow up a bit and understand that while he is certainly entitled to his opinions, it wouldn't hurt to show a bit more class. Evan made his point to the press without badmouthing Johnny once, even throwing him a few compliments. Johnny on the other hand spouts off like a spoiled brat. And he wonders why people dislike him.
http://thetripleaxel.blogspot.com/

I am an adult figure sk8r. I agree with your view that : had Johny been less candide he would have been more favorable with the "judging" commitee

"The Real Truth Behind the so Called Tie-Breaker: Weir vs Lysacek"

“Hope for Best- Expect Worst”

Since: Jan 07

Somewhere in Colorado

#11 Feb 2, 2008
tristanjh wrote:
<quoted text>
Clearly you missed quite a lot of the televised quotes from Johnny. He was so bold as to say that he was hands down the better skater and that if they both skated their best, he would win. Obviously not the case as Johnny skated well and Evan had a few mistakes, but his content was superior enough to earn him the championship.
As for the Russian thing, who cares? Nobody is debating the use of Russian coaches and I could care less if Johnny thinks Russian culture is fabulous. Thinking it doesn't make him a better skater.
Oh I think everyone cares, otherwise they would be shunning Russian coaches and only using their own national coaches. Before those Russian coaches, and the decade or so they have trained with them. Without them US pairs and ice dancers wouldn't be getting close to the podium. And everyone in the world is using them. Check out who is sitting next to the winners.

But excuse me for the bad manners of pointing this out. So you don't like my opinion. I don't like yours. But I do like Johnny Weirs integrity, his openess and his attitude, and Evan Lysacheck is not such a gentleman. It is far easier to be supposedly gracious because things went his way.

“... Addicted To Figure Sk8ng ”

Since: Mar 07

Long Island NY

#12 Feb 2, 2008
Stefanya wrote:
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Yes I did. And while I think both Lysacheck and Weir are excellent skaters, I admire Weirs artistry far more and I felt he had won. that lousy .01 of a point which put Lyscheck ahead was ridiculous. I don't admire them equally, and if it makes some people glad that the US has two skaters of great ability to take on the world, so be it. That's just my opinion. I like Johnny Weirs skating infinitely better and it is his performance which is standing out in my mind.
Hi Stefannya, Thanks for going to my blog, I hope you enjoyed it.

“Hope for Best- Expect Worst”

Since: Jan 07

Somewhere in Colorado

#13 Feb 2, 2008
And and\ I also think Russian culture is fabulous, especially in all of the arts. I also like lots of other culture including American. I guess it rubs people the wrong way that he likes Russian culure especialy as he skates for the USA. I guess if Johnny had professed to love French or Italian or British Culture, he wouldn't be so controversial.

Personally I don't care if people have to make snide remarks about the current coaching situation in the world of figure skating along with the other factors which are currently affecting figure skating. After a life-time of watching snide remarks by various countries against the Russian style of skating, I find it humorous to hear some of the current remarks against "Russian Culture. I find it hypocritical, that people will do anything and everything to win for the "correct" countries using even disdained and unpopular sterotypes to gain those wins.

It is sour grapes. Because I don't find Johnny Weirs comments any more offensive than if he had praised Chinese culture or Martian culure. I just find it laughable that the old sterotypes and prejudices persist. I like Weirs style of skating and his American coach had a lot to do with is taining in the athletics as well helping
him to be able to perform well enough to take on those difficult artistic elements.

“Hope for Best- Expect Worst”

Since: Jan 07

Somewhere in Colorado

#14 Feb 2, 2008
Sk8r Girl _ wrote:
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Hi Stefannya, Thanks for going to my blog, I hope you enjoyed it.
Hi Sk8r Girl. I did enjoy the blog. I hope my honest opinions don't spark too many haters of my opinions.

“... Addicted To Figure Sk8ng ”

Since: Mar 07

Long Island NY

#15 Feb 2, 2008
Stefanya wrote:
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Hi Sk8r Girl. I did enjoy the blog. I hope my honest opinions don't spark too many haters of my opinions.
http://thetripleaxel.blogspot.com/

I doubt it Apparently it seem that we have a more mature group

Since: Feb 08

Sandy, Utah

#16 Feb 2, 2008
Stefanya wrote:
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Oh I think everyone cares, otherwise they would be shunning Russian coaches and only using their own national coaches. Before those Russian coaches, and the decade or so they have trained with them. Without them US pairs and ice dancers wouldn't be getting close to the podium. And everyone in the world is using them. Check out who is sitting next to the winners.
But excuse me for the bad manners of pointing this out. So you don't like my opinion. I don't like yours. But I do like Johnny Weirs integrity, his openess and his attitude, and Evan Lysacheck is not such a gentleman. It is far easier to be supposedly gracious because things went his way.
You missed my point...what I meant was that I doubt anyone has it out for Johnny or Tannith and Ben or anyone else for finding a system that works for them. There are plenty of Asian skaters in the US and Canada training with US and Canadian coaches. If the russian system works for him then that is great.

Since: Feb 08

Sandy, Utah

#17 Feb 2, 2008
Sk8r Girl _ wrote:
<quoted text>
http://thetripleaxel.blogspot.com/
I am an adult figure sk8r. I agree with your view that : had Johny been less candide he would have been more favorable with the "judging" commitee
"The Real Truth Behind the so Called Tie-Breaker: Weir vs Lysacek"
I am an adult figure skater too. I started in college, but now that I have a family my skating is pretty much limited to watching it on TV. I'm glad that I spent the time training that I did, though, because I feel like I understand the new judging system and some, if not all, of its technicalities. Do you skate competetively or just for fun?

“Hope for Best- Expect Worst”

Since: Jan 07

Somewhere in Colorado

#18 Feb 3, 2008
tristanjh wrote:
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You missed my point...what I meant was that I doubt anyone has it out for Johnny or Tannith and Ben or anyone else for finding a system that works for them. There are plenty of Asian skaters in the US and Canada training with US and Canadian coaches. If the russian system works for him then that is great.
I see.
Mindy Walker

AOL

#19 Feb 4, 2008
Hi Skatergirl, I read and agreed with your blog. I think Johnny would have won if he would be careful what he says. I think the skating federation wants "cookie cutter" skaters who say nice things and say what the federation wants them to say. If Johnny did move to Russia, he would be Russia's best skater easily. They would accept him with opened arms. Now both Evan and Johnny really have their work cut out for them at Worlds. My fav skater is still Jeffrey Buttle. OK he makes some mistakes but his artistry is gorgeous and he is sooooo cute to look at.

“Hope for Best- Expect Worst”

Since: Jan 07

Somewhere in Colorado

#20 Feb 4, 2008
I think the skating federation should concentrate on the figure skating and being fair and not worry about personalities, otherwise it is just controlling people's lives beyond the skating. This is supposed to be a free country with free speech and what people think is not what is being judged during a performance.

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