'Croatia, Slovenia staged border inci...

'Croatia, Slovenia staged border incidents"

There are 373 comments on the B92 story from Jun 21, 2007, titled 'Croatia, Slovenia staged border incidents". In it, B92 reports that:

Janez Jansa and Ivo Sanader arranged borderline incidents in 2004 for political gain, a former Slovenian PM says. via B92

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Jon99

Saint Paul, MN

#1 Jun 28, 2007
Slovenia does not want the border dispute to be solved or it would accept Croatia's call for international neutral arbitration. 3meters of land and a 10 mile seacoast should not cost Croatia EU membership if Slovenia does not want to work together on a compromise.
Mark

Wormerveer, Netherlands

#2 Jul 7, 2007
Jon99 get a life...this is slovenian soil..
border dispute? there's no dispute, everybody knows it's slovene soil, and we dont give a f*** what Croatian nationalists-like u- think.

If u dont know your past, u dont know u 're future..read some history books, dude.

And there is less future for Croatia everyday...no wonder
Ozzy

Camperdown, Australia

#3 Jul 7, 2007
let the slovenes have their 3 metres, then they can double the size of their country!!!
Jon99

Saint Paul, MN

#4 Jul 7, 2007
Mark, you are reflecting arrogance and untruths. It is a border dispute or Croatia would not be contesting it. You are the one that needs to read history and geography books.
Ljubljana is just taking advantage of her position as EU member to try to ciphen territory and sea lanes from Croatia. Slovenia already is an EU member thanks to there being no significant Serb minority there and a war which ended quickly there.
Alex

Reading, UK

#5 Jul 11, 2007
Ozzy and Jon99,please be serious. Talking abouth a size of country or populations. Slovenia is a small country but Croatia is so biiiig with so maaany people. Why are you Croat so full of yourself. You are nothing in the world as Slovenes are nothing (pickin dim).
Regards the borders. Yes there are few problems with it, because in Istria and especialy on the Piran bay there where no borders before between Slovenia and Croatia. If you look in history then you will see that Yugoslavia got Istria in 1950-is. Before was under Italy and even before under Austria-Hungary. Yugoslavia got Istria on behalf Slovene people who lost their land in Italy. A lot of Slovens stayed in Italy and Croats made profit of this.
Istria was never land of Croats. There were always Italians, Croats, Slovens.
Jon99,you a talking such nonsenes(kreteizme). Even your Sanader knew how big supporth Croatia got from Slovenia in case of EU. In Slovenia best inerest is membership of Croatia in EU. Then will Croats must keep their word and behawe on EU way, not like balkans gypsis.
Jon99

Saint Paul, MN

#6 Jul 14, 2007
ALex said,"If you look in history then you will see that Yugoslavia got Istria in 1950-is. Before was under Italy and even before under Austria-Hungary. Yugoslavia got Istria on behalf Slovene people who lost their land in Italy. A lot of Slovens stayed in Italy and Croats made profit of this.
Istria was never land of Croats. There were always Italians, Croats, Slovenes" Northern Istria -present day Piran and Koper was predominantly Slovene so Tito awarded it to Slovenia. Southern Istria-modern day Istrian Croatia was plurality Croat so Tito who was half Slovene and half Croat awarded it to Croatia. History never had Southern Istria in a Slovene state, but it has for Croatia.
For Sea lanes and fisheries off of Piran and Koper I see Slovenes should have rights and that is what a compromise would solve from two supposedly friendly countries.
Alex

Reading, UK

#7 Jul 15, 2007
Jon99 you are mistaken in few things. Istria was never before a part of Slovene or Croat state. It was in Austria- Hungarian empire and after WWI was given to Italy. All cities were predomonate with Italian population. Slovenes and Croats were mostly farmers in viliges. After WWII Slovenes lost a lot of national teritory in today Italy(west of Trieste, Gorizia). On the other side stayed app.200.000 Slovenes. In former Yugoslavia Istria was devided betwen Slovenia and Croatia with decret from Belgrade. That is reason for todays problems. Before was Yugoslavia in noone was interested in national borders, important was international borders.
Unfortunately today politics in Croatia and Slovenia are not smart enough to solve this problems or maybe they have some other interest in this. Who knows? Just ordinary people sufers.
Slovens wanted free access to international waters which they have in Yugoslavia but Croats make problems. They have more than 1000 km of Adriatic shore and now dispute with Slovenes for few meters of sea which never before was theirs. They got it as a gift from Tito.
Croats talks of their land and sea is rubbish.
Ozzy

Australia

#8 Jul 16, 2007
Alex wrote:
Jon99 you are mistaken in few things. Istria was never before a part of Slovene or Croat state. It was in Austria- Hungarian empire and after WWI was given to Italy. All cities were predomonate with Italian population. Slovenes and Croats were mostly farmers in viliges. After WWII Slovenes lost a lot of national teritory in today Italy(west of Trieste, Gorizia). On the other side stayed app.200.000 Slovenes. In former Yugoslavia Istria was devided betwen Slovenia and Croatia with decret from Belgrade. That is reason for todays problems. Before was Yugoslavia in noone was interested in national borders, important was international borders.
Unfortunately today politics in Croatia and Slovenia are not smart enough to solve this problems or maybe they have some other interest in this. Who knows? Just ordinary people sufers.
Slovens wanted free access to international waters which they have in Yugoslavia but Croats make problems. They have more than 1000 km of Adriatic shore and now dispute with Slovenes for few meters of sea which never before was theirs. They got it as a gift from Tito.
Croats talks of their land and sea is rubbish.
we talk sh*t yet its the slovenes who always complain about something. you pricks even complained to the FCI to have the 2 Istrian hound dog breeds declared slovenian. TWICE, the FCI came to the conclusion they were indeigenous croatian breeds, yet the slovenes to this day put them on their stamps and present them at their dog shows as slovene! PATHETIC!

why doesnt croatia give austria, hungary and any other landlocked country an outlet to the sea!! dont have a coastline or outlet to the sea, BAD PHUCKING LUCK!!
WTF

Ljubljana, Slovenia

#9 Aug 4, 2007
Ozzy you are pathetic, get back in the shit-hole you came from and seek for psychiatric help.
Istria was never croatian, slovenian people fought and died for it and will do it again if necessary.
hrvatski vitez iza konjic

Australia

#10 Aug 4, 2007
lol take the shit hole is full of trator communist croats that think they are italian fk the tip rats
Tovaric

Hamilton, Canada

#11 Aug 4, 2007
hrvatski vitez iza konjic wrote:
lol take the shit hole is full of trator communist croats that think they are italian fk the tip rats
their not that bad dude.after ww2 they had hardly any commies.they support the partizan movement cuz it freed them from italian oppression.you hercegs hate them for it.
Tovaric

Hamilton, Canada

#12 Aug 4, 2007
Alex wrote:
Jon99 you are mistaken in few things. Istria was never before a part of Slovene or Croat state. It was in Austria- Hungarian empire and after WWI was given to Italy. All cities were predomonate with Italian population. Slovenes and Croats were mostly farmers in viliges. After WWII Slovenes lost a lot of national teritory in today Italy(west of Trieste, Gorizia). On the other side stayed app.200.000 Slovenes. In former Yugoslavia Istria was devided betwen Slovenia and Croatia with decret from Belgrade. That is reason for todays problems. Before was Yugoslavia in noone was interested in national borders, important was international borders.
Unfortunately today politics in Croatia and Slovenia are not smart enough to solve this problems or maybe they have some other interest in this. Who knows? Just ordinary people sufers.
Slovens wanted free access to international waters which they have in Yugoslavia but Croats make problems. They have more than 1000 km of Adriatic shore and now dispute with Slovenes for few meters of sea which never before was theirs. They got it as a gift from Tito.
Croats talks of their land and sea is rubbish.
you crack me up.just a quik look at some old maps,seems like slovenia gained territory.lol.
when was slovenia ever a state before?that you have all these territorial claims.through most of istras history its always had a majority or close to majority croat population.how is croats talk of the sea rubbish?we have had the majority population on this side of the adriatic for over 1000 years.this is the first time slovenia has an outlet to the sea so shut the phuck up.you want access to international waters,then you bring your fishying and canning ships into croat waters.so you cause problems.slovenia wants no mediation cuz by international law croatia is within her rights.why should croatia give up territory to you?
Tovaric

Hamilton, Canada

#13 Aug 4, 2007
WTF wrote:
Ozzy you are pathetic, get back in the shit-hole you came from and seek for psychiatric help.
Istria was never croatian, slovenian people fought and died for it and will do it again if necessary.
croats liberated istra.
hrvatski vitez iza konjic

Australia

#14 Aug 6, 2007
Tovaric wrote:
<quoted text>
their not that bad dude.after ww2 they had hardly any commies.they support the partizan movement cuz it freed them from italian oppression.you hercegs hate them for it.
partizani are pahtetic to freeing these croat parts they simply could have become domobrani ??? aye tovaric ?? plus where u from ??
Pat

Australia

#16 Aug 14, 2007
Istra is to be blamed for border dispute between Croatia and Slovenia. Istra is no man's land because everyone wants a piece of it.
hrvatski vitez iza konjic

Australia

#17 Aug 15, 2007
yep n we have it all :D hahahhahah such shi*t

Since: Aug 07

melbourne

#18 Aug 15, 2007
its not our fault that slovenian people have to take small towels when they go to the beach
hrvatski vitez iza konjic

Australia

#19 Aug 15, 2007
lol good call i like that, lol those tip rats
WTF

Ljubljana, Slovenia

#20 Aug 15, 2007
Pat wrote:
Istra is to be blamed for border dispute between Croatia and Slovenia. Istra is no man's land because everyone wants a piece of it.
Yes, you're right, it really is no man's land as it always was.
Probably in the not so far future Istria will be an indipendent republic, which would be a dream come true for it's inhabitants.

Regarding these ridiculous croatian "selice" above I would just suggest them to get back to their favourite hobby: street cleansing.
Come on boys, brooms are waiting.
hrvatski vitez iza konjic

Australia

#21 Aug 15, 2007
lol id tell you to go have a swim you tip rat but gezzz then you would be swimming in a beautiful croatian ocean hahahahhahahah you can stick to your swimming pools

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