Legal pot complicates drug-free work ...

Legal pot complicates drug-free work policies

There are 104 comments on the KING-TV Seattle story from Dec 8, 2012, titled Legal pot complicates drug-free work policies. In it, KING-TV Seattle reports that:

APRIL 18: A jar of marijuana is seen on a vendor table at the Cannabis Crown 2010 expo April 18, 2010 in Aspen, Colorado.

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ThomasA

Birmingham, AL

#43 Dec 16, 2012
30yrs wrote:
<quoted text>
Your continued SHEEPOLE talk is all over this forum in all types and forms.
The fact that you continue with this talk, that has already been debunked all over this forum, just makes you look very SHEEPOLE ignorant.
Hence not reading before opening mouth, or posting,
You are still wrong, lots of MJ smokers working and leading very productive lives.
Get the F off of them,
So your pointless babble is going to solve the legal complications of enforcing laws fairly for all? Yeah right,keep dreaming!

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#44 Dec 16, 2012
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text> If your supervisor suspects you have been drinking on company time,alcohol can be tested for content by a BAT at the same lab that does the drug testing. At the present,no content test for THC, only positive/negative. If the paper you signed in your application says you can't be there with ANY in your system,then you have no choice but to hit the street. It's like speeding. You know what the posted speed limits are but your car is capable of more and you can handle the higher speed, so you speed. Along comes POPO and says different. You give him the above argument to no avail. There was a posted law,you chose to ignore, you pay the ticket and get the points. No different than getting caught in a randon test.
A "popo?" Are you 12?
ThomasA

Birmingham, AL

#45 Dec 18, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
A "popo?" Are you 12?
No, I'm not your age.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#46 Dec 18, 2012
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>No, I'm not your age.
I highly doubt that, "popo?" Seriously?
ThomasA

Birmingham, AL

#47 Dec 19, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
I highly doubt that, "popo?" Seriously?
Popo, Fuzz, The Heat, Five-0, Barney Fife, Rambo. Who cares! You're swallowing a turd and gagging on a gnat.
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#48 Dec 23, 2012
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text> If your supervisor suspects you have been drinking on company time,alcohol can be tested for content by a BAT at the same lab that does the drug testing. At the present,no content test for THC, only positive/negative. If the paper you signed in your application says you can't be there with ANY in your system,then you have no choice but to hit the street. It's like speeding. You know what the posted speed limits are but your car is capable of more and you can handle the higher speed, so you speed. Along comes POPO and says different. You give him the above argument to no avail. There was a posted law,you chose to ignore, you pay the ticket and get the points. No different than getting caught in a randon test.
Except that marijuana is fat soluable, so they can test it through blood testing if you are under the influence. As it stores in your fat, it releases in your urine. lungs>blood>brain>fat and urine. Most drugs are water soluable and do not store in your fat, making a direct pass. stomach/lungs/blood (IV)> brain> urine
ThomasA

Birmingham, AL

#49 Dec 23, 2012
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Except that marijuana is fat soluable, so they can test it through blood testing if you are under the influence. As it stores in your fat, it releases in your urine. lungs>blood>brain>fat and urine. Most drugs are water soluable and do not store in your fat, making a direct pass. stomach/lungs/blood (IV)> brain> urine
Not viable for field testing. If company rules say none in your system on company premises, then you get fired if you violate those rules. Very simple and you will have plenty of time to ponder what's stored in your fat on your time. Merry Christmas!
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#50 Dec 24, 2012
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>Not viable for field testing. If company rules say none in your system on company premises, then you get fired if you violate those rules. Very simple and you will have plenty of time to ponder what's stored in your fat on your time. Merry Christmas!
Sure it is, read up on it. There is a difference between not in ones system and none of company premises. Nobody is talking about under the influence or bringing it to work. The DOT already allows for a certain amount to be allowed in ones system, if it is cumulative then it builds up in your system for urine tests, not for blood tests. So if they test your blood, they're testing for under the influence. You're right, it's also why DOT positions pay over 6 digits, labor is a market. Holding on to ruby slippers does not mean that there will be no future. Those that will adapt, will surivive; those that won't will die out.
Same to you.
ThomasA

Birmingham, AL

#51 Dec 24, 2012
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Sure it is, read up on it. There is a difference between not in ones system and none of company premises. Nobody is talking about under the influence or bringing it to work. The DOT already allows for a certain amount to be allowed in ones system, if it is cumulative then it builds up in your system for urine tests, not for blood tests. So if they test your blood, they're testing for under the influence. You're right, it's also why DOT positions pay over 6 digits, labor is a market. Holding on to ruby slippers does not mean that there will be no future. Those that will adapt, will surivive; those that won't will die out.
Same to you.
You can refuse a blood test,not a urine or hair test. It's in your paper you sign in with that refusal to test is an automatic termination anyway so what's the difference? Even in a place that doesn't do pre-test or random testing,if a workplace accident happens,you will be tested at the hospital and it will make a difference in your ability to collect from your injuries past basic patching up regardless of whose fault the accident was.

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#52 Dec 24, 2012
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>You can refuse a blood test,not a urine or hair test. It's in your paper you sign in with that refusal to test is an automatic termination anyway so what's the difference? Even in a place that doesn't do pre-test or random testing,if a workplace accident happens,you will be tested at the hospital and it will make a difference in your ability to collect from your injuries past basic patching up regardless of whose fault the accident was.
workers comp still pays you and your medical bills whether you were "dirty" or not, just the company can fire you...get your facts straight....
munum

Masontown, PA

#53 Dec 24, 2012
youtube.com/watch...
Squatter Rights in Colorado please!
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#54 Dec 24, 2012
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>You can refuse a blood test,not a urine or hair test. It's in your paper you sign in with that refusal to test is an automatic termination anyway so what's the difference? Even in a place that doesn't do pre-test or random testing,if a workplace accident happens,you will be tested at the hospital and it will make a difference in your ability to collect from your injuries past basic patching up regardless of whose fault the accident was.
You're still missing the point that they can test, all they have to do is make the blood test for drugs a condition of employment. You can have a certain amount of THC in your system under the DOT test. Apparently it's the equivellent of sitting in a car with windows rolled up with three other people smoking pot continuously for an hour for five to seven days. I don't really care because I don't do drugs, it's clear that you have some social agenda. The only reasons I'm against prohibition, especially in regards to marijuana is because it is not cost effective. It's a violation of civil liberties that makes criminals out of otherwise would be completely legal citizens. It keeps violent drug cartels in business. It maintains it's status as a gateway drug because it goes unregulated and heroin dealers don't ID kids. It backlogs the judicial system. It keeps people that would otherwise be employeed, unemployeed and on food stamps and welfare. It employs an arm of the domestic military police called the DEA. And it clogs up our prisions. We're already the most imprisoned nation on earth. So you choose, your social agenda, or all that other crap. Merry Christmas.
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#55 Dec 24, 2012
guitarman16226 wrote:
<quoted text>workers comp still pays you and your medical bills whether you were "dirty" or not, just the company can fire you...get your facts straight....
My guess is that he's a drug dealer, or works for a drug testing facility. People tend to defend their own rational self interest. Who ever thought that a pro-gun, civil libertarian, right wing state rights apologist like me would be in bed with social liberal pot smoking hippies?
ThomasA

Birmingham, AL

#56 Dec 24, 2012
guitarman16226 wrote:
<quoted text>workers comp still pays you and your medical bills whether you were "dirty" or not, just the company can fire you...get your facts straight....
You missed the point. Yes they will pay for your injuries to basically patch you up but being "dirty" will lesson your chances of collecting anything from the company past that and you have no job to go back to. Getting another job while recovering and with a drug related dismissal on your record and see how far it gets you.
Weedmastime

Wellsboro, PA

#57 Dec 25, 2012
I need some Seattle herb. I am getting a cheap flight to Seattle and toking away in one of your hash bars.
ThomasA

Birmingham, AL

#58 Dec 27, 2012
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>My guess is that he's a drug dealer, or works for a drug testing facility.
Just a business owner with a very strict zero tolerance policy for both office and plant employees. I don't have time to play silly adolescent cat-and-mouse games with people who choose not to follow written workplace rules. YOU get caught with MJ in your system on my premises and YOU get terminated. Allowing that behavior would run the cost of insurance and workman's comp out of sight so until the government drops all the OSHA and liability requirements,the existing policies will remain.

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#59 Dec 28, 2012
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>Just a business owner with a very strict zero tolerance policy for both office and plant employees. I don't have time to play silly adolescent cat-and-mouse games with people who choose not to follow written workplace rules. YOU get caught with MJ in your system on my premises and YOU get terminated. Allowing that behavior would run the cost of insurance and workman's comp out of sight so until the government drops all the OSHA and liability requirements,the existing policies will remain.
once again, all pure speculation.
ThomasA

Birmingham, AL

#60 Dec 28, 2012
guitarman16226 wrote:
<quoted text>once again, all pure speculation.
Then step out and test the possibilities of what can happen.Be a player,not a lowly spectator waiting on someone else to test the waters.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#61 Dec 28, 2012
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>... Allowing that behavior would run the cost of insurance and workman's comp out of sight so until the government drops all the OSHA and liability requirements,the existing policies will remain.
No it doesn't. Not anymore than allowing tobacco smokers to work for you.
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#62 Dec 28, 2012
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>Just a business owner with a very strict zero tolerance policy for both office and plant employees. I don't have time to play silly adolescent cat-and-mouse games with people who choose not to follow written workplace rules. YOU get caught with MJ in your system on my premises and YOU get terminated. Allowing that behavior would run the cost of insurance and workman's comp out of sight so until the government drops all the OSHA and liability requirements,the existing policies will remain.
Nobody is talking about working in industrial settings under the influence. Again, perfectly legal perscription drugs can qualify someone being unfit for duty. You seem to be having a hard time consolidating the two. Just because you have it in your system does not mean you are under the influence. That is why legalization complicates the issue. While you may be in your perfect right in determining what someone does while they're at work and how they are at work, you have no right to decide what they can do or cannot do on a Friday night in the privacy of their own home. Right now, it's not an issue because it's against federal law, but if it becomes legal federally, no matter how you feel about it, there will be nothing you can do. It will be the equivellent to firing someone for drinking milk.(not raw milk, mind you, that's against the law)

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