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Since: Jan 10

Las Vegas, NV

#129 Nov 30, 2010
I think our nation keeps way too many secrets. We should reduce the inventory of secrets a minimum. Instead, let's have politicians really tell the truth. For example, to Iran: "Stop building nuclear weapons now or we will start giving some of ours to you, pointy end first, in 5 minutes"
Taxed Enough Already

Cocoa Beach, FL

#130 Nov 30, 2010
carl wrote:
although it doesn't help foreign relations i do find some humor in seeing an angry Hillary Clinton. Something about her angry makes me chuckle....i don't even know why.
I agree. This is very bad for the country, and our troops, but I don't really give a rats ass. It makes the Baboon in the "white" house look even more foolish. I just wish O'Reilly had kept his mouth shut about it. It made him look like he was siding with obooo0mie.

“Tea parties R 4 little girls.”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#131 Nov 30, 2010
Shady Lady wrote:
Why is it bad for this country to suddenly know the truth about our Government, and it's inner workings? We always knew they lied, we just never imagined in our wildest dreams how truly stupid they are at foreign policy. Maybe Wikileaker did us a favor. Maybe he should get a medal.
When did you become a Liberal?
Shady Lady

Westmont, IL

#132 Nov 30, 2010
I am for truth. Maybe is we leak the awful truth we will get better representation in the future. The Government lied about anyone being put in danger. Wikiloco has done this many times, and no one dead, or was even hurt. People did take a good look at the idiots that are American leadership!!!
orville

South Charleston, OH

#134 Nov 30, 2010
toobusy wrote:
I think that if the national security of a nation, any nation, is to be compromised it would be along the lines of detailing defensive secrets, codes, plans, locations, encryption keys, data, planned military offensives. That would compromise national security.
But, on a regular basis we hear public officials whining about how our national security is being compromised not because of the leaking of defensive secrets, codes, plans, locations, encryption keys, data or planned military offensives but because of the exposure of a seemingly endless laundry list of peoples alleged criminal acts, alleged unethical practices, alleged immoral policies, alleged international crimes, you name it, these leaks come across like a real life expose tabloid.
Is this really about national security being compromised or is it about covering up mass corruption? I think national security is being used like a stage prop to change the look of a room by using a cabinet to conceal a door or a window or mounting curtains on the wall to give the allusion of a window.
Why was there no whining by public officials about leaks that compromise security when I can remember during the Bush administration almost daily accounts in the news by the media detailing our future troop movements in Iraq and Afghanistan, where we are going, when we are going to be there, where we will attack and who we will attack and in every instance the enemy was well dug in and waiting in as a result.
I draw a distinction between information that may compromise national security and a report on alleged skeletons in peoples closets.
If our national security really does rest on keeping secret peoples alleged criminal acts, alleged unethical practices, alleged immoral policies, alleged international crimes of various peoples then we really are in trouble as a nation because if our national security is dependent on peoples alleged criminal acts, alleged unethical practices, alleged immoral policies, alleged international crimes then we don't even possess any national security.


You staed"" our national security is being compromised not because of the leaking of defensive secrets""

Perhaps willfull stupidity" is accurate.
I have a good friend with a Bravo clearance. Very High. Who was deployed to work upon united States Merchant ships. Spy Ships. Owned by the Navy.
he told me of an incident where a ship while docked at Peral Harbor, was having a crew change. This takes some 3 days. Everyone hangs around on the dock at the common area, where a BBQ and ice chest full of sodas and beer are.
There were 3 dark skinned 25-30 year old men who were in the crew change.
One night one of the men starting demeaning the U.S. He went on to say "You stupid Americans, I a Muslim, now know the most secure military base on earth. I also know your secret's on your ships."

"I await my call".
My friend went to report this very concerning incident and was told by the assistant ships Captain, that he will file a report if my friend was willing to accept getting fired and demoted. Because they were black, a racism charge would surley follow.

Nothing was reported.
Oh, the U.S. government is fully aware of these self destructing way's. It's all part of the plan to end "America". Did I post here the WIKI report that showed the U.S. knows Saudi is funding Al_Quada? Which means 9-11 was also known before it happened.

Who are our real enemies of freedom?
toobusy

Pulaski, TN

#135 Nov 30, 2010
Here is a video of worthless prison guards.

http://news.yahoo.com/video/us-15749625/23262...

Again, the same excuse is used when dirty deeds are exposed, exposing it is a risk to security. Lol.

How can the release of this video put prison security at risk when the video proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is no security?

I'm sure the prison would have rather kept this a secret right?
orville

South Charleston, OH

#136 Nov 30, 2010
Shady Lady wrote:
I am for truth. Maybe is we leak the awful truth we will get better representation in the future. The Government lied about anyone being put in danger. Wikiloco has done this many times, and no one dead, or was even hurt. People did take a good look at the idiots that are American leadership!!!

Once a web of lies has been spun to the magnitude America has spun them,( and I am sure other Nations), there is no turning back.
However, the lies will absolutley come back to destroy the origin.
Are you aware that Assage has an Interpol warrant for him?
U.S. intelligence will get rid of Assage eventually.

Money has no compassion, remorse, or pity. It is the Corporate cartels that have crippled America and now the globe. Money & power.

Here is our reality. America is but a name now: 2 minutes.




And here is the objective: 9 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Fairly soon, the N.American Union will occur.

http://www.federaljack.com/...

http://justpiper.com/2010/05/alert-watch-the-...
TWO 'ACTS' OF TYRANNY ON THE SAME DAY!
Update 9/21/08
On October 17, 2006,'a date which will live in infamy'... there were two acts of tyranny committed. The first was a public signing of the 'Military Commissions Act of 2006' which suspended habeas corpus allowing the president to declare you an 'enemy combatant' and end your rights to seek legal or judicial relief from unlawful imprisonment.

The second act of tyranny took place in a private Oval Office ceremony, in which the president signed into law the 'John Warner National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) of 2007' which essentially eliminates the protections of the Posse Comitatus Act and re-wrote the Insurrection Act. The NDAA will allow the president to declare a 'public emergency' and take control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the governor or local authorities, in order to 'suppress public disorder'!
orville

South Charleston, OH

#137 Dec 1, 2010
This subject is historical. Yet so little intrewst in these forums.

Here is another Topix forum . Perhaps we can get some good movement going between the 2 or stick to one,

http://www.topix.com/forum/who/hillary-clinto...

There is some new news about WIKI this morning. I posted it at the link above.

People, this is historic and monumental.
orville

South Charleston, OH

#138 Dec 1, 2010
I found this forum,

http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/16/t1598679-w...

Claims to be a "private" forum & you have to register first.


NEWS:


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101201/ap_on_go_...

WikiLeaks: Espionage? Journalism? Something else?
By PETE YOST, Associated Press Pete Yost, Associated Press Tue Nov 30, 7:53 pm ET
WASHINGTON The government's decisions about whether or how to bring criminal charges against participants in the WikiLeaks disclosures are complicated by the very newness of Julian Assange's Internet-based outfit: Is it journalism or espionage or something in between?

Justice, State and Defense Department lawyers are discussing whether it might be possible to prosecute the WikiLeaks founder and others under the Espionage Act, a senior defense official said Tuesday.

They are debating whether the Espionage Act applies, and to whom, according to this official, who spoke anonymously to discuss an ongoing criminal investigation. Other charges also might be possible, including theft of government property or receipt of stolen government property.

Rep. Peter King of New York called for Assange to be charged under the Espionage Act and asked whether WikiLeaks can be designated a terrorist organization.

orville

South Charleston, OH

#139 Dec 1, 2010

Sorry had to edit for space


http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/the-f...
The fragile community
By David Brooks, New York Times
In Print: Wednesday, December 1, 2010
Julian Assange, the founder of Wiki-Leaks, had moved 37 times by the time he reached his 14th birthday. His mother didn't enroll him in the local schools because, as Raffi Khatchadourian wrote in a New Yorker profile, she feared "that formal education would inculcate an unhealthy respect for authority."
She needn't have worried. As a young computer hacker, he formed a group called International Subversives. As an adult, he wrote Conspiracy as Governance, a pseudo-intellectual online diatribe. He talks of vast "patronage networks" that constrain the human spirit.
Far from respecting authority, Assange seems to be an old-fashioned anarchist who believes that all ruling institutions are corrupt and that public pronouncements are lies.
For someone with his mindset, the decision to expose secrets is easy. If the hidden world is suspect, then everything should be revealed. As the New Yorker reported, WikiLeaks has published technical details about an Army device designed to prevent roadside bombs from detonating. It posted soldiers' Social Security numbers. This week, the group celebrated the release of internal State Department documents with a triumphalist statement claiming that the documents expose the corruption, hypocrisy and venality of U.S. diplomats.
For him, it's easy. But for everyone else, it's hard. My colleagues on the news side of this newspaper do not share Assange's mentality. As the various statements from the editors have made abundantly clear, they face a much thornier set of issues.
As journalists, they have a professional obligation to share information that might help people make informed decisions. That means asking questions like: How does the U.S. government lobby allies? What is the real nature of our relationship with Pakistani intelligence? At the same time, as humans and citizens, my colleagues know they have a moral obligation not to endanger lives or national security.

The New York Times has thus erected a series of filters between the 250,000 raw documents that WikiLeaks obtained and complete public exposure. The paper has released only a tiny percentage of the cables. Information that might endanger informants has been redacted. Specific cables have been put into context with broader reporting.
Yet it might be useful to consider one more filter. Consider it the World Order filter.

The fact that we live our lives amid order and not chaos is the great achievement of civilization. This order should not be taken for granted.

The quality of the conversation is determined by the level of trust. Its direction is influenced by persuasion and by feelings about friends and enemies.
The quality of the conversation is damaged by exposure, just as our relationships with our neighbors would be damaged if every private assessment were brought to the light of day. We've seen what happens when conversations deteriorate (look at the U.S. Congress), and it's ugly.
It should be possible to erect a filter that protects not only lives and operations but also international relationships. It should be possible to do articles on specific revelations Is the U.S. using diplomats to spy on the U.N.? What missile technology did North Korea give to Iran? without unveiling in a wholesale manner the nuts and bolts of the diplomatic enterprise. We depend on those human conversations for the limited order we enjoy every day.
2010 New York Times News Service

Since: Jan 10

Las Vegas, NV

#140 Dec 1, 2010
The more stories I read on this leak, then more I am actually happy they got leaked. A lot of it is stuff we suspected, but nobody would really say. China hates North Korea, Iran wants to destroy the west. China is cyber hacking the US as hard as they possible can.

More reasons for the US to go out and severely kick the ass of those who deserve it and not feel bad about it.
Tony

Tampa, FL

#141 Dec 1, 2010
Here in Vegas wrote:
The more stories I read on this leak, then more I am actually happy they got leaked. A lot of it is stuff we suspected, but nobody would really say. China hates North Korea, Iran wants to destroy the west. China is cyber hacking the US as hard as they possible can.
More reasons for the US to go out and severely kick the ass of those who deserve it and not feel bad about it.
Have you been in a coma......america hasn't kicked anybodies azz since WW2.......

america will no longer fight.....they invade, they set up military shop, they patrol, they get killed and blown up, they nation build, they provide funds, they talk.......but they do not fight or kick anyones azz......
Tired of the BS

United States

#143 Dec 4, 2010
californio wrote:
Wikileaks is showing how competent the Obama Presidency is. I dont remember such leaks such leqaks under Bush, Clinton, bush senior, or Reagan.
ITA which makes me believe that cause he is a BLACK president all of this comes to surface all of the underhanded NO good crap that is still going on. NOW we have another white aussie who decides he wants to expose dirty secrets! So the real question is not about Obama but all the other shysters who you named in the past and most of all if our GOVERNMENT was so up & up why would we care about Wiki-Leaks? Same question too America should be asking is why when Republicans get ahold of leading or governing BS happen remember 911 that too was on Bush as well as a Republican's watch! Now get your head out of the porn and the good dope you been using and THINK for a minute vote for who you like but at least make them tell you some TRUTH before you start denouncing this PRESIDENT!
get out boy

Laurinburg, NC

#144 Dec 4, 2010
Shady Lady wrote:
I am for truth. Maybe is we leak the awful truth we will get better representation in the future. The Government lied about anyone being put in danger. Wikiloco has done this many times, and no one dead, or was even hurt. People did take a good look at the idiots that are American leadership!!!
and to think just a thousand post ago you were calling for his head.

someone does no know what they want.
Shady Lady

Mchenry, IL

#145 Dec 11, 2010
I began to figure out he is only leaking what someone else has stolen, and passed on to him. We need to deal with the thief before we deal with the Austrian. Besides maybe it is good we see what our corrupt government is doing in broad daylight.

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