New push made for psychologist prescriptions
Jefferson City -- Supporters of legislation to allow trained psychologists to prescribe medication have renewed their effort for the 2009 session, stressing the need to give rural patients access to treatment.Read more
#1 Jan 15, 2009
Conspiracy by the mental health industry in conjunction with the pharmaceutical industry in which many persons will be harmed. There is no science to the mental health industry. People should be aware that politic ans supporting this "drugging of America" are getting payoffs and kick backs from the pharmaceutical industry. One will find the feminist cause and the feminist politician behind this more then male politicians.
#2 Jan 16, 2009
Been down to Clearwater lately, Elron?
#3 Jan 16, 2009
There has been "No" biological defect found for any mental illness or any of the other made to order diagnoses by any neurological study.
Without a test for chemical imbalance the mental health (psychiatry) is limited in the ancillary tests of medicine like an EKG, EEG, blood work or other tests in the diagnoses of a patient. They aren't needed in Psychiatry.
The psychiatric diagnosis is made on the basis of behavior and hearsay.
If we respect metabolic changes based on daily dietary habits, weight gain / loss , terms of the survival of the organisms as a person age along with physical conditioning, physical illness, electrolyte level, gender differences , body temperature, I don't see where the Mental Health and Counseling Industry could conform to any consistency in data with consideration to the above to state a person has a mental disease or illness based on chemical imbalance.
Psychiatry is not recognized in the sciences.
APA Admits there is no test for "chemical imbalance"
Death by mind drugs:
Here's a couple of cartoons to make you laugh
[Psychotropic drugs induced weight gain: a review of the literature concerning epidemiological data, mechanisms and management]
There Are No "Chemical Imbalances"
"The hypothetical disturbances of neurochemical function that are said to underlie "mental illness" are just that: hypothetical. No experiment has ever shown that anyone has an "imbalance" of any neurotransmitters or any other brain chemicals. Nor could any conceivable experiment demonstrate the existence of a "chemical imbalance," simply because no one, least of all the biopsychiatrists, has the slightest idea what a proper and healthy chemical "balance" would look like."
"...the views and beliefs of biopsychiatry have nothing to do with the answers to scientific questions in any case: the hunt for biological "causes" of "mental illness" is an entirely fallacious enterprise in the first place; the non- existence of data to support its assertions is quite beside the point."
"The latest edition of one pharmacology text has this to say about the status of depression as a disease: "Despite extensive efforts, attempts to document the metabolic changes in human subjects predicted by these [biological] hypotheses have not, on balance, provided consistent or compelling corroboration." This is a long-winded way of admitting that not even a scrap of evidence supports the idea that depression results from a "chemical imbalance." Yet patients are told every day - by their doctors, by the media, and by drug company advertising - that it is a proven scientific fact that depression has a known biochemical origin. It follows directly that millions of Americans are being lied to by their doctors; and people surely can't give informed consent for drug treatment when what they're being "informed" by is a fraud.... To sum up: there is no evidence whatsoever to support the view that "mental illness" is biochemical in origin; in other words, things like "Unipolar Disorder" and "Attention Deficit Disorder" simply do not exist."
#4 Jan 16, 2009
Not a scientologist / Mental health industry creating apathy and death in society. Not a science. Based on hearsay. No evidence based medicine
#5 Jan 17, 2009
More drugs for the unwashed masses. Yeaaaah!
( be especially certain to keep those young ' rug rats ' sedated )
...A.D.D. and all that.
#6 Jan 17, 2009
Note: Names of pharmacuticals change by country and with in the USA. This is a way to confuse the consumer and deflect negative talk .
Note that the signatures have been compromised by a spammer for viagra from 16146 to 18046. Check the statements and signatures before that date. The IP server handling the spammer is being traced back.
Note: Sarafem is same as prozac as was misrepresented.
Statements from Topix forum
Effexor Withdrawal- any suggestions
Marriages destroyed by SSRI's/SNRIs
Effexor (Long term side effects)
http://www.topix.com :80/forum/drug/effexor/TLLBS4O 9UOR4503J6
Antidepressants, Depression and Suicide
#7 Jan 17, 2009
Don't believe I said $cientologist but you sure know the code words Clearwater and Elron. Why is that?
#8 Jan 17, 2009
Everyone in the mental health profession and CPS calls any person that is against psycho-drugging a Scientologist. It seems to be their only defense against facts and figures. See my next post below.
#9 Jan 17, 2009
The mental health scam under the Federal Disability Act for the school systems under "IDEA".
Rewards of SS17 payments at the cost of a childs sanity.
Here is how it works:
One of the purposes of the US Department of Education is to administer the programs for the (FAPE) "Free Appropriate Public Education for students with disability under the requirements of Section 504 of the Federal Rehabilitation Act, along with the Special Education and rehabilitative services program "IDEA"
The programs (FAPE and IDEA) under the Department of Education are abused (imo) by the pharmaceutical and the mental health and counseling industry in that the Department of Disability and the Department of Education pays for each child diagnosed with a disability which included ADD / ADHD, Bi-Polar, Depression and other mental illnesses. The more children diagnosed with a mental disorder, the more money the State board of Education would receive under the (IDEA) programs from the Department of Disability. This in turn, was and is the incentive for compromising millions of normal children with false mental health diagnoses and is the reason for "Teen Screen" today.
It's trickle down economic to the pharmaceutical and mental health and counseling industry and includes the monetary rewards of the State School Districts.
If a parent objected to the misleading diagnoses, tagging or drugging of their child then the (CPS) "Child Protective Services" would usually charge the Parent with Child Neglect and remove the child from the family home and place the child in foster-care where the child would be drugged without parental authority and child support would be garnished from wages of the parents for foster-care expenses. The parents often would require legal service (money) to get their child back home and court judgments usually ended up with the child being forced into pharmaceutics (mind) drugs by the MHC and the family being monitored by the CPS and having a mental health evaluation including probation for the parents.
It's a dirty deal of money and greed at the cost of compromising a child's mental stability and a family.(Don't think that politicians aren't in on this scheme and receiving lobbying money or direct back pocket payoffs and kickbacks for the support.)
(Remember there is no test for a chemical imbalance of the brain) to warrent any mental health disease.
APA admits to fraud in mental health diagnoses by "Chemical Imbalance"
#10 Jan 17, 2009
I forgot to mention that I live in Florida also.
Here's something more for you:
I believe the practice of medicine is predicated on something called the "medical model," which doctors learn in medical school that has a set of procedures by which they practice medicine. To me, a diagnosis is dependent on a pathology: something requiring a physical exam, X-rays, EKG, EEG, fluid specimen. There is no medical model for psychiatry and there is no test for chemical imbalance according to the American Psychiatric Association.
If an orthopedic surgeon operated on a patient without the aid of an X-ray, he would be working at the car wash the next day.
Psychiatry to me is misplaced in academia and belongs in social medicine. Psychology should be part of anthropology and brains are topics of biology.
If we respect metabolic changes based on daily dietary habits, weight gain / loss , terms of the survival of the organisms as a person age along with physical conditioning, physical illness, electrolyte level, gender differences , body temperature, I don't see where the Mental Health and Counseling Industry could conform to any consistency in data with consideration to the above to state a person has a mental disease or illness based on chemical imbalance. Beside that, the mental health psychiatric diagnoses isn't even part of standard medical procedure known as the medical model in which all doctors are trained and is the only branch of medicine operating completely on political decisions.
Again, the mental health industry is based on hearsay and has no science and is a threat to the heath and welfare of the society.
#11 Jan 18, 2009
The stench of Elron is very evident here.
If you had said psychiatry doesn't work for me or I don't trust the science or something like that I might not see Co$ in every word you write.
But a statement like the above is a rather clear indication that you're a $cientologist.
#12 Jan 18, 2009
Not a Scientologist. The crimes and atrocities of the mental health industry and the political history of the social services and mental health industry since the Reagan Bush presidency (1980's) is the stench you must be smelling.
I will print more of the incidences for you to get you valued opinion.
As you, a member of the mental health community in support of the mental health industry let me put my feeling this way so that there is no misunderstanding as to how I feel about the mind alteration (psychotherapy) and toxicity in pharmaceutical drugs being used on children:
Now, based on the above postings in this chat and with consideration to the unregulated trash that I believe resides in the mental health industry for the trickle down economic of the Industry itself, the legal profession and medical community with the known adverse drug effects and profits, the industry seems to have a run of the grave yard (so to speak) from the made to order diagnoses and toxic psychotropic drugs:(The police State)
**read about the deaths on page (2)
What I want you to know and I don't beat around the bush is this:
I would have more confidence in a crazed lunatic sporting a chrome plated 38 caliber pistol pointed at my testicles then I would trust a member of the mental health and counseling Industry.
A couple of cartoons to lighten you up:
You have my gander up now and so lets go at it.
#13 Jan 18, 2009
Jack Frost (like that name)
I think I found one of the odors leading to the stench you were talking about. There is millions of them but this seemed important. It stinks more then the others. By the way what do we do to neutralize the odor?
San Francisco Cronicle
Most parents have never heard of him, but Joseph Biederman of Harvard may be the United States’ most influential doctor when it comes to determining whether their children are normal or mentally ill.
In 1996, for example, Biederman suggested that drugs like Ritalin might serve 10 percent of American kids for Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder. By 2004, one in nine 11-year-old boys was taking the drug. Biederman and his team also are more responsible than anyone for a child bipolar epidemic sweeping America (and no other country) that has 2-year-olds on three or four psychiatric drugs.
The science of children’s psychiatric medications is so primitive and Biederman’s influence so great that when he merely mentions a drug during a presentation, tens of thousands of children within a year or two will end up taking that drug, or combination of drugs. This happens in the absence of a drug trial of any kind - instead, the decision is based upon word of mouth among the 7,000 child psychiatrists in America.
http://www.sfgate.com :80/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a /2008/07/13/IN7G11L6TL.DTL
More on Harvard University "Biederman" and other researchers that compromised the mental health "EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE", if any.
http://www.pharmalot.com :80/2008/06/harvard-psychiatri st-didnt-report-pharma-income/
#14 Jan 18, 2009
I found an older stink leading to the stench you were talking about: Only thing did about this is that Congress wrote the "Bounty Hunters Act"
1 of 2 pages.
TEENS FORCED INTO CARE, PANEL HEARS
States News Service
WASHINGTON - Thousands of adolescents have been hospitalized for psychiatric treatment they didn’t need -- with some kept against their wills until their Insurance ran out—and psychiatrists and school Counselors received kickbacks for referring them a House panel was told Tuesday.
“There is no question in my mind that Corporate profits have taken priority over patient care in many instances and that some care providers have compromised their principles and their professional codes of ethics in pursuit of the almighty dollar,” Texas state Sen. Mike Moncrief told the House Select Committee on Children, Youth and Families.
“Clearly, this business of treating minds - particularly this big business of treating young minds - has not policed itself, and has no incentive to put a stop to the kinds of fraudulent and unethical practices that are going on,” said Chairwoman Patricia Schroeder, D-Colo.
The committee is probing evidence of numerous abuses by private facilities, including charges of
psychiatric hospitals hiring “bounty hunters” to find patients, rewarding psychiatrists who refer patients or work at the hospitals and ignore illegal behavior, and establishing quotas for the number of patients admitted Schroeder called the abuses “one of the most disgraceful and scandalous episodes in the history of health care In America.”
She said Department of Justice officials have told her that psychiatric hospitals and clinics are ripping off the government and insurers for hundreds of millions of dollars each year. And she says many of these facilities get their patients through dramatic advertisements in newspapers and on television and radio that imply a child automatically needs treatment if he is suffering from common childhood problems such as depression or grade problems.
One witness showed the committee many advertisements from California psychiatric hospitals,including ones that implied treatment would keep kids out of jail and make him happy.
Most teenagers look psychotic at some point or another,” said Walter P. Afield, a psychiatrist who runs a Tampa Bay-based company that reviews health care plans for insurance companies. Private hospitals, he said, can “‘create’ mental illness by careful and selected advertising.
“This is a national scandal,” said a spokesman for Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas.“We haven’t done enough.”
Curtis L. Decker, executive director of the National Association of Protection and Advocacy
Systems, pointed out abuses in California, Nevada, Wisconsin, Kentucky, Oregon and Alabama.
Moncrief, the Texas state senator, said treatment programs in California, Florida and Texas have enticed many Canadians with free airfare, limousine service and accommodations.
A New Jersey insurance official told a house panel Tuesday that insurance fraud by private psychiatric hospitals in his state and around the country “is a time bomb waiting to explode” and urged that abusers be hit where it hurts---in the pocketbooks.
“ They’re in it for the money; ‘Let’s take all their money away from them,” said Louis, Parisi,
director of the New Jersey Department of Insurance.
continued next post
#15 Jan 18, 2009
TEEN FORCED INTO CARE (continued from above)
“The length of a hospital slays is often a function of the amount of insurance available,”
Parisi said. Many times the patient: are released by hospitals on the very same day his or her benefits are terminated “
A spokesman for Private psychiatric hospitals testified that most facilities provide good service and added that the Industry was trying to clean up those that aren’t.
“Every effort must and will be taken to identify, investigate and resolve specific complaints and to ensure that inappropriate practices are stopped and can’t be repeated,” said Robert L. Trarhtenberg, executive director of the National Association of Private Psychiatric Hospitals.
Witnesses testifying at Tuesday’s hearing said Psychiatrists make It possible for the fraud to continue by either referring patients to specific hospitals for kickbacks or working at those hospitals.“Tragically, a large number of psychiatrists, Psychologists, social workers, therapists and psychiatric hospitals have betrayed the public trust, have misused this honored trust to benefit themselves financially, and have—In affect - sold their souls.” said Char1es S. Arnold, a psychiatrist.
“I really am ashamed of my profession,” Afield said. Most psychiatrists affiliated with private facilities, he added,“are either inept or passive or poorly trained or turn their heads.
Have a good day
#16 Jan 18, 2009
Heres the Congressional Bounty Hunters Act if you have the interest in the attempt to clean up the "stench of the Mental health Industry.(1994)
United States Congress
Bounty Hunters Act
MENTAL HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS BOUNTY PREVENTION ACT -- H.R.--(Extension of Remarks - March 23, 1994)
HON. JOHN BRYANT
in the House of Representatives
WEDNESDAY, MARCH 23, 1994
Mr. BRYANT. Mr. Speaker, I have become increasingly concerned about the abuse and mistreatment visited upon psychiatric patients by so-called bounty hunters.
Therefore, today I am introducing legislation to prohibit the intentional solicitation or offers for payment for patient referrals to mental health facilities. The legislation does not prohibit the legitimate referrals--only those unscrupulous ones which simultaneously violate patient needs and taxpayer pocketbooks.
Since I started looking into this matter in the fall of 1991, I have been amazed at both the lengths to which some of those in the health care industry are willing to go and the perversity of the schemes, driven by a commitment to greed, rather than the Hippocratic oath.
My limited investigation leads me to believe that a private, for-profit psychiatric hospital can be a very dangerous thing. Reportedly, hundreds, possibly thousands, of patients may have been subjected to expensive and unnecessary treatment at private for-profit psychiatric hospitals. In their zeal to compete for diminishing insurance dollars, some of those institutions apparently have been involved in a win-at-any cost war for patients.
Law enforcement officials in several States have investigated and continue to investigate private for-profit psychiatric hospital chains based on allegations that they systematically kidnap patients to increase profits from insurance claims. Across the country, State attorneys general have uncovered elaborate, aggressive, creative, deceptive, immoral and illegal schemes being used to fill empty for-profit psychiatric hospital beds. What was once thought to be an isolated problem occurring at just a few institutions in a few States is, in actuality, a national scandal.
More than 200 complaints charge that among other abuses, private for-profit psychiatric hospitals hire bounty hunters who kidnap patients with medical insurance whether or not hospitalization is needed.
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#17 Jan 18, 2009
Continued from above
Some of these hospitals have set up employee-incentive programs to stir up new business. The hospitals are even offering kickbacks and bounties to employee assistance programs [EAP]. Some institutions have set up their own EAP's and are referring patients to themselves.
At least one former private for-profit psychiatric hospital administrator testified that bounties are often paid through a third party to launder or disguise the money. The payment often cities a fake or contrived treatment, such as patient aftercare, which often is not performed following treatment.
International brokers have brought thousands of Canadian patients to the United States for treatment. Plagued by empty beds, private for-profit psychiatric have paid bounties ranging from $1,500 to $4,000 per Canadian patient. Claims from U.S. hospitals for Ontario patients alone increased from $5.4 million in 1988 to $51.3 million just 2 years later.
One man is referred to as the `half million dollar man.' He reportedly received over 20 months of treatment in five different Houston hospitals and returned to Canada a cocaine addict. According to the Ontario Ministry of Health , recruiters targeted Toronto's down-and-out and promised them stays in Florida or California.
One hospital chain was getting such high numbers of Canadian patients that the chain negotiated discounts with American and Northwest airlines. Many of those sent to U.S. institutions for substance abuse therapy did not need to be in those U.S. facilities or did not get appropriate care.
Recent disclosures indicate that some private for-profit hospitals go to great lengths to find and admit children. The most infamous of these cases, and the one that really started the latest overall investigation, involves an adolescent boy who was apprehended at his grandparents' home by two employees of a private security firm. The two were not even certified peace officers, even though they flashed large police-like badges.
#18 Jan 18, 2009
UNITED STATES CONGRESS
H. R. 4113
To amend title 18, United States Code, to prohibit the practice by mental health care providers of using bounty hunters to attract patients for treatment.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
March 23, 1994
Mr. BRYANT introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary
To amend title 18, United States Code, to prohibit the practice by mental health care providers of using bounty hunters to attract patients for treatment.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the `Mental Health Care Providers Bounty Prevention Act of 1994'.
SEC. 2. TITLE 18 AMENDMENT.
(a) IN GENERAL- Chapter 89 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:
`Sec. 1822. Mental health care provider bounties prohibited
`(a) Whoever knowingly and willfully solicits or receives any remuneration (including any kickback, bribe, or rebate) directly or indirectly, overtly or covertly, in cash or in kind--
`(1) in return for referring an individual to a mental health care provider for the furnishing or arranging for the furnishing of any item or service; or
`(2) in return for purchasing leasing, ordering, or arranging for or recommending purchasing, leasing, or ordering any good, facility, or service, or item from a mental health care provider;
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
`(b) Whoever knowingly and willfully offers or pays any remuneration (including any kickback, bribe, or rebate) directly or indirectly, overtly or covertly, in cash or in kind--
`(1) to refer an individual to a mental health care provider for the furnishing or arranging for the furnishing of any item or service; or
`(2) to purchase, lease, order, or arrange for or recommend purchasing, leasing, or ordering any good, facility, or service, or item from a mental health care provider;
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
`(c) Any conduct which under section 1128B(b)(3) of the Social Security Act is precluded from being a violation of that section is not a violation of this section.
`(d) As used in this section, the term `mental health care provider' means any provider of goods or services for the diagnosis and treatment of mental illness, if the provider operates in or affects interstate or foreign commerce.'.
(b) CLERICAL AMENDMENT- The table of sections at the beginning of chapter 89 of title 18, United States Code, is amending by adding at the end the following:
`1822. Mental health care provider bounties prohibited.'.
#19 Jan 18, 2009
You might as well post the course materials for OT VIII.
As long as you maintain this position: "Again, the mental health industry is based on hearsay and has no science and is a threat to the heath and welfare of the society" you have no credibility.
Now go find Xenu -- third volcano on the right.
#20 Jan 18, 2009
Not a Scientologist. I don't see how you can call a Congressional Investigation and the Bounty Hunters Act part of Scientology conspiracy but, then again, the mental health Industry was able to pull off attaching the "Mental Health Parity Bill" to the Congressional Bailout of 750 Billion without Congressional debate. What a dirty trick for power and control and of course greed..
There is no science to psychiatry. Mental health is based on hearsay, voodoo, Tarot cards or crystal ball gazing. There is no evidence based medicine, no medical model and basically it's all about fraud and control for political reasons.
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