Evidence of 'God particle' found

Evidence of 'God particle' found

There are 213 comments on the WOODTV.com story from Jul 2, 2012, titled Evidence of 'God particle' found. In it, WOODTV.com reports that:

Scientists working at the world's biggest atom smasher plan to announce Wednesday that they have gathered enough evidence to show that the long-sought "God particle" answering fundamental questions about the universe almost certainly does exist.

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“Antisocialistic”

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#191 Jul 9, 2012
Fisherman 808 wrote:
<quoted text>I started out at Oregon State as a zoology student. The science and math classes were very competitive with the pre-med students and surprisingly the veterinary students. The vet students were the most competitive- and the professors graded on a curve back then (don't know if they do now?).
Anyway, I wanted you to know you must have had an impact on me. Yesterday morning, I read some of this thread, and the whole day in the woods looking for deer, I kept repeating to myself- "Perp-a-Derp"!
Don't you hate it when that happens? lol
Lol. Yep.

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#192 Jul 15, 2012
I thought the God Particle was short-hand for the God-d_mned Particle? Really!

Although, if you could create a Universe, would you be considered a God? Or would you just be a scientist building universes?

Not an unfounded question.

QESdunn.pbworks.com

I'm sure there are many holy, I mean holes, in the sets of theories. But it's a beginning.

But given the ability for scientists to create universes, what position do scientists take in relation to Religious Leaders? Are scientists then to be considered gods? Not going to happen.

Are Religions going to finally modify themselves to be consistent with the universes we build?

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Woodland Hills, CA

#193 Jul 17, 2012
this1then wrote:
The God particle announces, "You'd be nothin' without me"
It's called the Higgs Boson. Stop calling it the "god particle". That's a nick name given to it by Stephen Hawkings and it's been teaken severely out of context.

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#194 Jul 18, 2012
TrueAtheist wrote:
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It's called the Higgs Boson. Stop calling it the "god particle". That's a nick name given to it by Stephen Hawkings and it's been teaken severely out of context.
I agree with you in-general about the Religion version of God. Bbuuut, I can see a need for a cognitive control system to tweek physics constants throughout the universe on a continuing bases.

The cognitive control system would be impressive, but I would not attribute the human-centered Religious God that se see abused from day to day.

Since: May 12

Santa Monica, CA

#195 Jul 18, 2012
QESdunn wrote:
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I agree with you in-general about the Religion version of God. Bbuuut, I can see a need for a cognitive control system to tweek physics constants throughout the universe on a continuing bases.
The cognitive control system would be impressive, but I would not attribute the human-centered Religious God that se see abused from day to day.
I understand what you're saying and I respect your point of view. I also can't claim to be an expert in physics. But I disagree with you. There is no evidence of a god of any kind, whether it be the god of the Abrahamic religions or any other deity, or even a cognizant being changing constants as time goes on.

It takes intelligence to understand how things work. That doesn't mean an intelligent being is necessary to make it work. That which cannot exist does not exist and that which can no longer exist ceases to do so.
QESdunn

Albuquerque, NM

#196 Aug 9, 2012
TrueAtheist wrote:
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It takes intelligence to understand how things work. That doesn't mean an intelligent being is necessary to make it work. That which cannot exist does not exist and that which can no longer exist ceases to do so.
In chaos computer simulations, repeatable patterns often result from the foundations in which the computer system was created. Except for a small percentage of simulations, the overall effect of seeding evolving relationships ends up dying out, or going into a hyperactive state. The result if relating to relativity is a dead state.

I'm not so inclined to believe that a cognitive control system regulates the universe; but it is feasible. Afterall, our simplistic brains are the result of such evolutionary systems of relativity. Why wouldn't other forms of cognition evolve based upon a different superposition of physics?

No insight, just thinking.
dug

Ocklawaha, FL

#197 Jun 1, 2013
Test your faith. Read entire link. You may never believe in God again.

Since: May 12

Woodland Hills, CA

#199 Jun 4, 2013
providence09 wrote:
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What a douchebag. Wow. Who actually says: I am God?
You completely missed providence09's point. It's extremely unfair when doctors spend the time and money to go through medical school and then go out there and save lives, only for the people they save to give all the credit to god.

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#200 Jun 5, 2013
The Lord made the earth. That 'particle' is enough for me!

“Antisocialistic”

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#201 Jun 5, 2013
TrueAtheist wrote:
<quoted text>You completely missed providence09's point. It's extremely unfair when doctors spend the time and money to go through medical school and then go out there and save lives, only for the people they save to give all the credit to god.
God works through that doctor. God works through the people that teach the doctors.
Allah

Huntington, NY

#202 Jun 5, 2013
Thank you all for believing in me.

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#203 Jun 5, 2013
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
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God works through that doctor. God works through the people that teach the doctors.
LOL! So apparently god wasn't always that great at what he does then? Or did people just not pray hard enough in the past?

“Antisocialistic”

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#204 Jun 5, 2013
TrueAtheist wrote:
<quoted text>LOL! So apparently god wasn't always that great at what he does then? Or did people just not pray hard enough in the past?
People still die. There is a reason for everything God does. You apparently feel that you must understand everything for it to be valid. If you MUST understand EVERYTHING, you're not that great at it then.

“Standin' In A”

Since: May 11

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#205 Jun 5, 2013
You know, there was some news in March-

'Why the Higgs boson 'God particle' matters'
First theorized 50 years ago, Higgs boson explains why particles have mass

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2013/...

What seems hard for me to believe is that even very smart people still cling to the idea that they can figure everything out- or there is a "smallest" particle.
Infinity is a hard concept to grasp (and I'm not saying I can grasp it), but there is always going to be a smaller particle.

On another note, infinite time and space can surely mean anything is possible. Life other places, or even in other dimensions etc.. There very well could be a "God"- a creator of Earth and Man. He/She could have sent Jesus down (and Mohamed and Moses etc.) to give guidance. A burning bush and a rock with writing on it wouldn't be too hard to do.
Humans in general, very much need some rules and guidelines. Up to 1 in 25 have no remorse, guilt or empathy (are sociopaths). They need external motivations to do the right thing (have no inner moral compass). So, TrueAtheist, for you to 'win', and have everyone on the entire earth believe there is no God, no Heaven or Hell, very well could turn this earth into a cinder ball- even faster than it's headed to.
(it's a guaranteed fact, the Sun is going to burn out, if not something else)

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#207 Jun 5, 2013
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
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People still die. There is a reason for everything God does. You apparently feel that you must understand everything for it to be valid. If you MUST understand EVERYTHING, you're not that great at it then.
What I understand is that medical science is ever progressing forward and that some diseases that used to be terminal are no longer and, people with other diseases have a much higher survival rate then they once had.

Your argument is a complete cop out. I don't claim to understand everything, but I strive to learn as much as I can instead of sticking my head in the sand and saying god did it.

“Antisocialistic”

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#208 Jun 5, 2013
TrueAtheist wrote:
<quoted text>What I understand is that medical science is ever progressing forward and that some diseases that used to be terminal are no longer and, people with other diseases have a much higher survival rate then they once had.

Your argument is a complete cop out. I don't claim to understand everything, but I strive to learn as much as I can instead of sticking my head in the sand and saying god did it.
Lol. Medical Science is ever progressing. Diseases that once were fatal are now treatable. Does that disprove God's existence? Please explain how. God's ways are not our ways. Just because what he does, doesn't make sense to use, doesn't mean he uses our logic or that he doesn't exist.
While you are at it, please explain how the complexity if the human, animal, botanical, bacterial, viral, fungal, protozoal... Bodies came about. A Big Bang formed DNA? RNA? Olfactory system? Auditory system? Ocular system? Central nervous system? GI system? Respiratory system? Cardiovascular system? Hepatic system? Renal system? Pancreatic system? Lymphatic system? Integumentary system? Urinary system? Reproductive system? Thermoregulatory system? Peripheral nervous system?...
Please explain the spontaneous formation of these systems or even the evolution if these systems. Is it all accidental?

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

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#209 Jun 5, 2013
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
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Lol. Medical Science is ever progressing. Diseases that once were fatal are now treatable. Does that disprove God's existence? Please explain how. God's ways are not our ways. Just because what he does, doesn't make sense to use, doesn't mean he uses our logic or that he doesn't exist.
While you are at it, please explain how the complexity if the human, animal, botanical, bacterial, viral, fungal, protozoal... Bodies came about. A Big Bang formed DNA? RNA? Olfactory system? Auditory system? Ocular system? Central nervous system? GI system? Respiratory system? Cardiovascular system? Hepatic system? Renal system? Pancreatic system? Lymphatic system? Integumentary system? Urinary system? Reproductive system? Thermoregulatory system? Peripheral nervous system?...
Please explain the spontaneous formation of these systems or even the evolution if these systems. Is it all accidental?
If your perfessors at University failed to make a convincing argument for Evolution not sure how we can. To me, each of those systems conferred a survival benefit by making the recipient organisms better suited to their various environments (or better predators, or faster runners, or more disease resistant, etc.). It's not 'spontaneous'... it happens over geologic time scales. I don't think Mother Nature throws anything away. When an organism adapts to a changing environment, it's previous successful adaptations get stored away (in seemingly 'junk' DNA) should the Earth's climatic mood change again. So ... geologic time scales with a built in adaptation for relatively rapid change should the need arise. It's beautiful. It's simple. It's all natural. AND ... it works!

We're not animated by 'magic'. We're not filled with some kind of unexplainable 'ectoplasm' brought alive by divine edict. There's no spirits breathing life into us and sucking it out when our time is up. We are bio-chemical, bio-mechanical life forms billions of years in the making. We are not the whimsical creations of a jealous and petty deity. You debase yourself and the rest of humanity wallowing around in the muck of these primitive superstitions. Any educational program that does not illuminate you to our place in the Universe and how we got here is not worthy of it's name.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

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#210 Jun 5, 2013
There's no need for all that 'complexity' when you got magic!! If we were 'created' by magic, we would be surrounded by things that we could NEVER understand. There could be no 'science'. Our microscopes and telescopes wouldn't work ... gods have no need of OPTICS. Gods don't need no stink'n 'particles' to confer mass or mass to bend space-time ... it's 'their will be done'!!

Fortunately, we understand things pretty damn good. What remains that we don't understand, is amenable to our analysis and will join the other 99% of reality in our libraries and text books. What do ya say we lay the 'godidit theory' to rest once and for all and get on more productive lines of inquiry? Wouldn't that be nice?

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#211 Jun 6, 2013
RHill wrote:
<quoted text>If your perfessors at University failed to make a convincing argument for Evolution not sure how we can. To me, each of those systems conferred a survival benefit by making the recipient organisms better suited to their various environments (or better predators, or faster runners, or more disease resistant, etc.). It's not 'spontaneous'... it happens over geologic time scales. I don't think Mother Nature throws anything away. When an organism adapts to a changing environment, it's previous successful adaptations get stored away (in seemingly 'junk' DNA) should the Earth's climatic mood change again. So ... geologic time scales with a built in adaptation for relatively rapid change should the need arise. It's beautiful. It's simple. It's all natural. AND ... it works!

We're not animated by 'magic'. We're not filled with some kind of unexplainable 'ectoplasm' brought alive by divine edict. There's no spirits breathing life into us and sucking it out when our time is up. We are bio-chemical, bio-mechanical life forms billions of years in the making. We are not the whimsical creations of a jealous and petty deity. You debase yourself and the rest of humanity wallowing around in the muck of these primitive superstitions. Any educational program that does not illuminate you to our place in the Universe and how we got here is not worthy of it's name.
It's obvious your "perfessors" did a much better job educating you.
That is why it is understandable that you would totally miss the point.
You told me why those systems evolved. My question is how they evolved.
I find it interesting that you referred to Mother Nature. So you believe in some Devine power, just not God?
Lets use and eye for and eye or fight fire with fire. Non believers always want us to prove God exists. I challenge you to prove the statements in your last paragraph.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

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#212 Jun 6, 2013
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
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It's obvious your "perfessors" did a much better job educating you.
That is why it is understandable that you would totally miss the point.
You told me why those systems evolved. My question is how they evolved.
I find it interesting that you referred to Mother Nature. So you believe in some Devine power, just not God?
Lets use and eye for and eye or fight fire with fire. Non believers always want us to prove God exists. I challenge you to prove the statements in your last paragraph.
We're compelled to put labels on things ... I label the observed Natural World Un-enhanced by a Supernatural Component ... Mother Nature. Not a god, just a thing. I've never had the pleasure or privilege of learning anything from a Professor ("perfessor" in Texican) which means that I am not floundering in the morass of their misconceptions nor overly adorned in the depths of their knowledge. I have, however, taken of life and the information accessible to me in heavy draughts!! I've recently learned a bit about 'Spinoza's God' which sounds like what you may be alluding to. I think we should try to avoid anthropomorphizing Nature. Calling it 'Mother Nature' is me doing exactly that. Oh well.

They evolved by the process of genetic mutation caused by environmental background radiation impinging upon biological feature encoding molecules. Very occasionally, these mutations result in a physical feature or characteristic which endows the recipient organism some reproductive advantage over it's fellows. This advantage enhances the organism's survival odds and the new feature is 'naturally selected' to be passed on to subsequent generations. It's simple, it's all natural ... and it works!

You mean my take on the Magical Creation thing? Prove it somehow? LOL. It stands to reason. The 'creation myth' would be millions of pages long ... "And on the ten billionth day, God created cilia and on the ten billionth and one day, God created paramecium" ... it would go on and on. Magic would be simple but undecipherable, nature is complex but analyzable.

One of the cool things about being an uneducated 'Blue Collar Philosopher' is I'm not accountable. I have no reputation to uphold, no one to impress, no Alma-mater to embarrass. I got nothing to prove. If it makes sense, think about it. If it doesn't, reject it. I'm here for the entertainment value.

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