Global warming taking earth back to dinosaur era

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snowman allentown PA

Allentown, PA

#1 Sep 7, 2006
I don't doubt that CO2 is on the increase but another reason not mentioned is the fact that the axis of the Earth changes now and then. This contributes to the heat or cold of the Earth. Also the Atlantic Ocean is pushing Europe-Africa away from Nort and South America. I realize that it seems miniscule;but at some time it does reach the point of giving the Atlantic Ocean that additional heat to cause more and stronger storms. I have never heard this mentioned in any report that I have watched on the so-called big channels, ABC, CBS, NBC. But then they want us (you and me) to be responsible for the global warming. If you are going to do these reports BE HONEST >>>...
Fred

Brisbane, Australia

#2 Sep 9, 2006
ABC is hopeless,
its just about sport, the middle east, and politics!
we need our own science channel with science news! what do YOU think?
Fred

Brisbane, Australia

#3 Sep 9, 2006
but we do need an ice age, fast!
unfortunatly the last one just ended 14,000 years ago so we have to wait another half a million years or somthing.
pity, low sea levels must of been fun!
shadow guy

Indianapolis, IN

#4 Sep 9, 2006
everything is all funny now,,,, but our grand children our going to live like refugees some day.......or worse like cave men.....

Humanity is on the brink of a terrible calamity and possibly extinction, its just over the next rise.

when all the services begin to break down that keep every thing knitted together then we are going to have to pay the price .....

wether we have an ice age or a heat wave,
eventually we are going to be dieing like flies...

you thnk the dark ages were bad.....

just wait and see... what great fun it will be

go watch AL GORES documentary on global warming
for some great laughs.
Stan

UK

#5 Sep 9, 2006
Gee baby it's COLD outside
acrv

Targu-mures, Romania

#6 Sep 9, 2006
An extensive analysis at http://www.aip.org/history/climate/index.html :

'As so often in this story, no single scientific finding could bring conviction by itself, but only in conjunction with many other lines of evidence. The most worrisome result of paleotemperature studies was that global climate had probably swung substantially over the centuries. As climate scientists noted, variability in the past, presumably due to small changes in the atmosphere caused by solar and volcanic-dust variations, warned that climate must be highly sensitive to any perturbation "So greater past climate variations imply greater future climate change." Worse, much evidence indicated that the current warming was faster than anything in the historical record. And the data neatly matched the warming that every variety of computer model, consistently since the 1970s, had been predicting would result from greenhouse gas buildup in the atmosphere.'
snowman allentown PA

Allentown, PA

#7 Sep 9, 2006
All those experts on global warning give speeches, show movies, and slides; and then they leave and get into their SUV and go to the airport and fly home in their personal jets. DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO. The Kennedys have stopped the installation of windmills near their compound on Martha's Vineyard. But you know, the laws and other inconveniences are not meant for them, only the rest of us because, you know (I hope you do) that some people are more equal than others. And we are not as equal as they are. We had a republican representative in the state who thought he was more equal than everyone else, He went to prison for killing someone while DUI> that's one for our side.
Stan

UK

#8 Sep 9, 2006
acrv wrote:
An extensive analysis at http://www.aip.org/history/climate/index.html :
'As so often in this story, no single scientific finding could bring conviction by itself, but only in conjunction with many other lines of evidence. The most worrisome result of paleotemperature studies was that global climate had probably swung substantially over the centuries. As climate scientists noted, variability in the past, presumably due to small changes in the atmosphere caused by solar and volcanic-dust variations, warned that climate must be highly sensitive to any perturbation "So greater past climate variations imply greater future climate change." Worse, much evidence indicated that the current warming was faster than anything in the historical record. And the data neatly matched the warming that every variety of computer model, consistently since the 1970s, had been predicting would result from greenhouse gas buildup in the atmosphere.'
I am sure you are correct because it was basically saying the same as I did on the previous two very lenghty posts.
Historical evidence shows in a cyclic manner the earth shifts between ice age and heatwave conditions. The curve is many thousands of years long but the change over relatively short.
We are approaching a projected change over period, whether it is a limited one or a major one (by thaqt is meant exactly how far from the pole the ice extends) does not matter.
Now under normal transition the time frame is at least 2000 years for the transition and there is a temperate (food growing) area remaining.
The fear uppermost in global warming by man is that the planet may "flip" completely either into total ice age / unstoppable heat rise.
That meaning the planet either becomes an ice ball or something like Mars .......... certainly not a planet humans would survive on.
I am afraid my "here we go again" feelings on seeing the same topic led to my earlier frivolity of post. In reality it is a topic that the whole of humanity need to tackle and is perhaps the only thing that can unite humans on this insane planet.
Fred

Brisbane, Australia

#9 Sep 9, 2006
Man is too smart for his own good.
infact, by being so smart we are actually quite dumb.
either way, no species lasts forever (except for sharks and Cockroaches)heheh.
but if you look into it, the dark ages never really ended, i mean, look at all the famine, war and illness
and useless arguments that cost thousands of lives!
we are still in THE DARK AGES!!!
Fred

Brisbane, Australia

#10 Sep 9, 2006
The future of earth is in the wrong hands.
snowman allentown PA

Allentown, PA

#11 Sep 10, 2006
And we are going into a time period (not fully explained how long it will take) when the magnetic poles are in flux and moving, switching poles. This is also critical in that we will be at the harm of the gamma rays from the Sun. It is also possible that with the rise in the warming of the globe, it will cause the icecaps to melt and set off several volcanic explosions which could cause us to go into another ice age. But if we could stop driving our SUVs and stop the deforestation of the amazon and Southeast Asia we might, stop the CO2 explosion. Help with their economies would have to be provided for these two areas NOW. Contact your reps and let them know how you feel.
shadow guy

Indianapolis, IN

#12 Sep 10, 2006
humans are very small in fact we are like tiny microbes living on something much larger than we can possibly comprehend.....the planet earth....

if the earth "catches cold" or "gets a fever"
their is very little we can do about it....
basically the earth is simply trying to heal itself.. and we are nothing....

what is alarming is the speed in which this is all taking place.... being able to actually see places like Glacier National Park melt away in less than 15 years is not a good sign......

I think its far too late already for tiny microbes like humans to have any affect what-so-ever
Juan Carlos

Bloomington, IN

#13 Sep 10, 2006
This is for snowman in response to your first post. In your explanation of other factors causing global warming you said that the shifting of continents as well as CO2 emmisions. First, the continents. Yes, the Atlantic Ocean might be getting bigger, increasing temp, but doesn't that mean the Pacific is getting smaller and cooler? Also, the evidence on the ABNORMAL RISE in emissions over the past 200 years can cannot be accounted for anything other than CO2 emmisions. Are you saying that the continents have begun to speed up in their moving?
Stan

UK

#14 Sep 10, 2006
snowman allentown PA wrote:
And we are going into a time period (not fully explained how long it will take) when the magnetic poles are in flux and moving, switching poles. This is also critical in that we will be at the harm of the gamma rays from the Sun. It is also possible that with the rise in the warming of the globe, it will cause the icecaps to melt and set off several volcanic explosions which could cause us to go into another ice age. But if we could stop driving our SUVs and stop the deforestation of the amazon and Southeast Asia we might, stop the CO2 explosion. Help with their economies would have to be provided for these two areas NOW. Contact your reps and let them know how you feel.
Yes the earths axis does shift from time to time but only minutely.
Really mess up if was a major slip of say 45deg possibly put a whole new perspective on central US and China.
You are OH so right on the deforestation point and the West but particularly America are the chief culprits of that. Not only are the poor countries grossly underpaid for their timber (meaning they are forced to log even more) but the American effect on world economics(currently) means it does nothing to improve their situation.(This is particularly true in Far East Asian countries like Thailand.. Philippines & Indonesia ..... The other major deforistation effect particularly in mainland Asia is pollution effects that are killing the trees from the top down(this is particularly adjacent to the Himalaya's and here general world pollution is a partial cause but the emergent industrialisation of China & India are particularly the cause. This is the same effect that killed so much of the Northern hemispheres trees in N america...Scandinavia and Russia. Here of course the west and Russia were the responsible parties and America is still very responsible for ongoing effects.
Scott

United States

#15 Sep 10, 2006
Anyone here in this forum that thinks that human beings have any impact, whatsoever, on global climate changes are plain ignorant and are too shortsided to realize our galaxy/solar system are in constant movement. Galactic issues are the reasons for the cycles of ice ages throughout history. If someone here can prove that humans had anything to do with the climate cycles over the history of the earth, than they are not looking at all the facts. We've had a known cycle of atleast 7 ice ages that can be proven. It's a known fact that that one volcano erupting can kick out the equivilent of 300 years worth of CO2 emmissions that can come from the internal combustion engine. And since I've been alive atleast one MAJOR volcanic occurance has occurred anually. Get a clue, do some homework and do not rely on public education for your knowledge. Yes we will have another ice age and it will be caused by global warming, but will have nothing to do with anything humans can cause. Our sun is the prime generator of change on our planet and we can not do anything about that! These ECO Freaks that have spouted lies over the last 30 years are just products of their education and political agenda's. It would only take a minor influence from our sun (less than 5 degrees change), to toss this world into a major climate change. But if anyone here can provide a reason why over 26,000 years ago we humans caused climate change, then go ahead, if not go read a book and educate yourselves. Turn off the TV, trust me the latest episode of Survivor or Friends will not make any human more educated. These points of view are not negotiable nor arguable, they are FACT!
Stan

UK

#16 Sep 10, 2006
Scott wrote:
Anyone here in this forum that thinks that human beings have any impact, whatsoever, on global climate changes are plain ignorant and are too shortsided to realize our galaxy/solar system are in constant movement. Galactic issues are the reasons for the cycles of ice ages throughout history. If someone here can prove that humans had anything to do with the climate cycles over the history of the earth, than they are not looking at all the facts. We've had a known cycle of atleast 7 ice ages that can be proven. It's a known fact that that one volcano erupting can kick out the equivilent of 300 years worth of CO2 emmissions that can come from the internal combustion engine. And since I've been alive atleast one MAJOR volcanic occurance has occurred anually. Get a clue, do some homework and do not rely on public education for your knowledge. Yes we will have another ice age and it will be caused by global warming, but will have nothing to do with anything humans can cause. Our sun is the prime generator of change on our planet and we can not do anything about that! These ECO Freaks that have spouted lies over the last 30 years are just products of their education and political agenda's. It would only take a minor influence from our sun (less than 5 degrees change), to toss this world into a major climate change. But if anyone here can provide a reason why over 26,000 years ago we humans caused climate change, then go ahead, if not go read a book and educate yourselves. Turn off the TV, trust me the latest episode of Survivor or Friends will not make any human more educated. These points of view are not negotiable nor arguable, they are FACT!
Noone is questiong the natural cylic swings too which you basically refer. It is true that these would bring an ice-age anyway in due time.
What man is doing is speading up the process and that means a limited time scale to prepare and adjust. The real fear is that unlike previous ones the change will be so rapid it will flick the earth into a permanent ice ball or ever increasing desert, from which natural influences cannot recover.
Anyone who cannot take that onboard from the available evidence and do something to reduce the speed is ensuring his/her decendants probably have no future.
Scott

United States

#17 Sep 11, 2006
No, I think everyone here doesn't get it. Man couldn't speed up or slow down a galactic cycle if it WANTED TO! It's like spitting into the ocean off the eastern coast of the US and expecting the riple to do anything to the shores of Spain! Short of every nuclear weapon in existence going off all at once, We don't have the ability, intentionally nor unintentionally to bring about this change any sooner or later than the galactic cycle will allow.
Fred

Australia

#18 Sep 11, 2006
the world is going to pot.
its people like Al gore who should be in power, then we might get somwhere.
but we aint gonna stop it, its too late, im confident and depressed to say that we wont cut emissions fast enough and, china and india are pumping out millions of tons each day, doing nothing about it. australia and america are patsies too.
they keep going on:''OOOOOhh NO! we could Never cut emisions, that stuff up the econemy wooo.'' well hows that??? without the earth There WOULD BE NO ECONEMY!
DO you know what an australian politician said about
Al gore's movie? the politician said ''algore is just here to sell movie tickets!!!''
what a dimbo that politician is!
i think the worlds climate is heading for the biggest catastrophy since the KT extinction! those Damn Humans!!!!! and john howard? what patsie. money comes before life! arrrrhgh i HATE politicians (except Al gore, of course.)!!! grr argh arff gah!
Fred

Australia

#19 Sep 11, 2006
IM with Scot, he's right, you know.
the human race is hopeless.
well, i suppose we'll adapt. i guess over the next couple of thousand years our ears will get bigger to release heat and function as fans.
our skin will turn adapt to the sun and turn dark.
we will all live in the desert and eat desert sand.
and lose our interlectual abilities and then die out.
SO, guys, how did i go? did i get it right?
Fred

Australia

#20 Sep 11, 2006
nope,that prediction is more hopeless than the politicians

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