Evolving door

Evolving door

There are 22 comments on the The Garden City Telegram story from Apr 29, 2013, titled Evolving door. In it, The Garden City Telegram reports that:

The Creation Truth Foundation declares Charles Darwin's theory of evolution to be wrong and promotes Bible-centered science for students.

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Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#1 Apr 29, 2013
Yes, the Constitution of the United States of America does apply to Oklahoma.

Just in case you were wondering.

“I am the great an powerful Ny!”

Since: Dec 06

Lebanon, PA

#2 Apr 30, 2013
Strel wrote:
Yes, the Constitution of the United States of America does apply to Oklahoma.
Just in case you were wondering.
*SHOCKED*
I never knew that! I thought it only applied to those evil atheist states! Now I know better.
hmm

Wichita, KS

#3 Apr 30, 2013
Oklahoma is wierd...in so many ways.
Dwxy

Ulysses, KS

#4 May 9, 2013
Jesus' resurrection after his death is the ultimate and defining proof of Jesus' divinity. Just about everyone knows the story, which is summarized in the Apostles' Creed. Jesus was crucified, died, and was buried. He descended into hell. On the third day he arose again from the dead. He ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty.

There is only one way for Jesus to prove that he rose from the dead. He had to appear to people. Therefore, several different places in the Bible describe Jesus' appearances after his death:

Matthew chapter 28
Mark chapter 16
Luke chapter 24
John Chapter 20 and 21
1 Corinthians 15:3-6 provides a nice summary of those passages, as written by Paul:
For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. Then he appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me.
As you can see in this passage, Jesus appeared to hundreds of people a number of different times.
Being like Paul

When we look at these Bible passages, there is a question that comes to mind -- why did Jesus stop making these appearances? Why isn't Jesus appearing today?

It really is odd. Obviously Paul benefitted from a personal meeting with the resurrected Christ. Because of the personal visit, Paul could see for himself the truth of the resurrection, and he could ask Jesus questions.

So... Why doesn't Jesus appear to everyone and prove that he is resurrected, just like he appeared to Paul? There is nothing to stop Jesus from materializing in your kitchen tonight to have a personal chat with you. And if you think about it, Jesus really does need to appear to each of us. If Paul needed a personal visit from Jesus to know that Jesus was resurrected, then why wouldn't you?

It is an important question for the following reasons:

We are told by the Bible that Jesus appeared to hundreds of people.
We therefore know that it is OK for Jesus to appear to people -- it does not take away their free will, for example.
We know that it would be easy for Jesus to appear to everyone all through history, since Jesus is all-powerful and timeless.
We know that, if Jesus did reappear to everyone, it would be incredibly helpful. We could all know, personally, that Jesus is resurrected and that Jesus is God. If Paul (and all the other people in the Bible) needed a personal visit to know that Jesus was resurrected, then why not you and me?
Yet, we all know that Jesus has not appeared to anyone in 2,000 years.
In other words, there is nothing stopping Jesus from appearing to you, and several good reasons for him to appear.
Praying to Jesus
Dwxy

Ulysses, KS

#5 May 9, 2013
What if we pray to Jesus like this: "Dear Jesus, please appear to us, as you did to Paul and the 500 brethren, so that we can see the evidence of your resurrection. In your name we pray, amen." Here is what Jesus has promised us in the Bible:

Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:

Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!
In John chapter 14:14:
Whatever you ask in my name, I will do it, that the Father may be glorified in the Son; if you ask anything in my name, I will do it.
In Matthew 18:19:
Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
Jesus is actually in our midst. So he is right here already, supposedly. Yet when we pray to him to physically materialize, nothing ever happens.
Isn't it odd that Nothing happens, given the fact that Jesus promises us that something will happen? Isn't it odd that nothing happens when, supposedly, Jesus is right here with us already, and materialization would be trivial for him?

We have created an unambiguous situation where coincidence cannot "answer" the prayer. The only way for this prayer to be answered is for Jesus to actually, unambiguously, materialize.

As you think about this, you will realize that Paul's story in the Bible must be false. Simply look at Paul's story like any judge in a courtroom would. What Paul's story in 1 Cor 15 is suggesting is entirely unprecedented - a man dead three days with mortal wounds came back to life. Yet:

There is absolutely no evidence that the story is true,
There are many alternative explanations for what Paul is saying. Paul could be fabricating the story, Paul could have hallucinated or dreamed the meeting, Paul could have seen an imposter, etc.
In addition, no one is seeing Jesus today, even though it would be trivial and obvious for Jesus to appear to people today just like he did with Paul.
Given this evidence, rational people would automatically conclude that Paul's story in the Bible is untrue. There is zero evidence to support Paul's story, zero reason to believe it, a motive to lie and plenty of alternative explanations. There is also the fact that much of the rest of the Bible contains provably false stories. Plus the fact that it would be trivial for Jesus to provide the evidence that Paul needs to confirm his story by reappearing on earth. Add to that the fact that Jesus has promised to answer our prayers but refuses to materialize when we pray to him. The only thing to do is to reject Paul's story. Every bit of evidence points to the fact that the resurrection story is a myth, nothing more.

Given that the resurrection story is clearly a myth, it means that Jesus (if he existed at all) was a normal human being, not God. The resurrection clearly did not happen.

And with that, we can see that God himself is imaginary. If God actually did exist and was playing any role whatsoever on this planet, there is no way that he would allow an imposter like Jesus.

“I am the great an powerful Ny!”

Since: Dec 06

Lebanon, PA

#6 May 9, 2013
Dwxy wrote:
Jesus' resurrection after his death is the ultimate and defining proof of Jesus' divinity.
Horus' resurrection after his death is the ultimate and defining proof of Horus' divinity.

Osiris' resurrection after his death is the ultimate and defining proof of Osiris' divinity.

Attis' resurrection after his death is the ultimate and defining proof of Attis' divinity.

Krishna's resurrection after his death is the ultimate and defining proof of Krishna's divinity.

Mithra's resurrection after his death is the ultimate and defining proof of Mithra's divinity.

Dionysus' resurrection after his death is the ultimate and defining proof of Dionysus' divinity.

All of them resurrected before Jesus.
Tyrannosauridae

Castro Valley, CA

#7 May 9, 2013
I thought this was supposed to be a dinosaur forum?

“'QUANDARY'”

Since: Oct 12

Cheshire UK

#8 May 9, 2013
Tyrannosauridae wrote:
I thought this was supposed to be a dinosaur forum?
Strangely enough my friend, it is not troll wars, or trolls, that destroyed this forum.
When all the contributors deserted this forum earlier this year, the stable backbone that keeps new, young, impresiionable kiddies on topic went with them.

It is the contributors that have rung the death knell of this forum....
Donald Small III

Wichita, KS

#9 May 20, 2013
no, what has kileld this forum is Topix themselves. Im the editor here and i still do not have the power to remove/moderate posts. I have to file a complaint with Topix, which never gets a response,they want you to pay to have it removed, which is BS. So, Topix killed this forum, and i just gave up.

and as far as Oklahoma go's, i hate that backwards ass state. Their laws are so archaic and religion so strong, they refuse to listen to common sense and reason. If anybody is going to burn in hell (if it even exists), its going to be Oklahoma.

“'QUANDARY'”

Since: Oct 12

Cheshire UK

#10 May 20, 2013
Donald Small III wrote:
no, what has kileld this forum is Topix themselves. Im the editor here and i still do not have the power to remove/moderate posts. I have to file a complaint with Topix, which never gets a response,they want you to pay to have it removed, which is BS. So, Topix killed this forum, and i just gave up.
and as far as Oklahoma go's, i hate that backwards ass state. Their laws are so archaic and religion so strong, they refuse to listen to common sense and reason. If anybody is going to burn in hell (if it even exists), its going to be Oklahoma.
There is no such thing as an editor, and Topix mods are crap.
The run away contributors ruined this forum, not trolls.

“Clash of the titans!”

Since: May 13

Isla Sorna,JP

#11 May 20, 2013
I know about all the wars that happened to Topix and how the trolls lost blahblahblah and runawaycontribbutors such as?They comment all this on the Jesus forum right?

“Editor”

Since: Apr 09

Liberal, Ks

#12 May 20, 2013
Coprolite1 wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no such thing as an editor, and Topix mods are crap.
The run away contributors ruined this forum, not trolls.
ya, there is, but they have no power (look under my name.).

If i had the power to moderate posts, this forum would be so much better.

“Australia's #1 Paleontologist”

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#13 May 20, 2013
Coprolite1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Strangely enough my friend, it is not troll wars, or trolls, that destroyed this forum.
When all the contributors deserted this forum earlier this year, the stable backbone that keeps new, young, impresiionable kiddies on topic went with them.
It is the contributors that have rung the death knell of this forum....
Very poetic :D

But don't you mean deserted this forum June last year? That was the big loss of contributors imo

“Clash of the titans!”

Since: May 13

Isla Sorna,JP

#14 May 21, 2013
Yes I agree completely.That was when PAZB left,around june.

“'QUANDARY'”

Since: Oct 12

Cheshire UK

#15 May 21, 2013
Tyrannosauridae wrote:
Yes I agree completely.That was when PAZB left,around june.
We are talking about 'contributors' not trolls!

“Clash of the titans!”

Since: May 13

Isla Sorna,JP

#16 May 21, 2013
Well if you put it that way Spinodontoaurus,Baluar and Spinosaur king left.

“Clash of the titans!”

Since: May 13

Isla Sorna,JP

#17 May 21, 2013
But Spinosaur king was last sighted as recently as 16th April 2013,Spinodontosaurus in October 2012 and Balaur on 25th April(Last sightings)

“'QUANDARY'”

Since: Oct 12

Cheshire UK

#18 May 21, 2013
Tyrannosauridae wrote:
But Spinosaur king was last sighted as recently as 16th April 2013,Spinodontosaurus in October 2012 and Balaur on 25th April(Last sightings)
These guys are on Imperial Palace.
Anyway there is no need to be so pedantic about this, I was merely pointing out the loss of contributors has caused the collapse of this forum.
not the trolls.

“Clash of the titans!”

Since: May 13

Isla Sorna,JP

#19 May 21, 2013
No they aren't on Imperial Palace.Unless you mean something other than the zetaboards one.

“'QUANDARY'”

Since: Oct 12

Cheshire UK

#21 May 21, 2013
Tyrannosauridae wrote:
No they aren't on Imperial Palace.Unless you mean something other than the zetaboards one.
That's exactly what I mean, and if you don't believe me ask tyranna2

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