'A painful process': HSU Academic Senate moves forward with pro...

There are 114 comments on the Eureka Times Standard story from Apr 2, 2010, titled 'A painful process': HSU Academic Senate moves forward with pro.... In it, Eureka Times Standard reports that:

With a looming April 20 deadline to make recommendations to the provost, the Humboldt State University Academic Senate is continuing with the arduous task of singling out academic programs for elimination.

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truthful 1

Eugene, OR

#105 Apr 4, 2010
fun time,
cut and run? I know, the truth hurts doesn't it?
superbia avia

Eureka, CA

#106 Apr 4, 2010
The economy will recover. There are many small businesses. Holly Yashi, Kokata, Murphy's, Sunfrost Refrigerators, Wing Enterprises, and many more(look in the yellow pages)would shore up the economy. It may take a couple of years, but we will not be living with a parasite. Your thinking that this has all to do with money is so LA. It is about a quiet, peaceful and self-sufficient life style. Other than money for select businesses HSU brings issues of local management of resources. The 80% of outside students bring in money and expectations. Expectations that do not meet the local cultural rights for their defined lifestyle. From the trashing of local forests and beaches to criminal activity.

I concede there are many transients who do not attend HSU and are responsible for the increased crime realized in the past 20 years.
fun time

Eureka, CA

#107 Apr 4, 2010
superbia avia wrote:
The economy will recover. There are many small businesses. Holly Yashi, Kokata, Murphy's, Sunfrost Refrigerators, Wing Enterprises, and many more(look in the yellow pages)would shore up the economy. It may take a couple of years, but we will not be living with a parasite. Your thinking that this has all to do with money is so LA. It is about a quiet, peaceful and self-sufficient life style. Other than money for select businesses HSU brings issues of local management of resources. The 80% of outside students bring in money and expectations. Expectations that do not meet the local cultural rights for their defined lifestyle. From the trashing of local forests and beaches to criminal activity.
I concede there are many transients who do not attend HSU and are responsible for the increased crime realized in the past 20 years.
So you say those small businesses which have very few employees in general, many of them using part time, will be the saviors business wise of Humco?
Some of them are researching departing the area.

You want to keep living in 1950/60s Humco that's fine (there's a lot of boonie land still available to live on) but there are a lot of people around here who have lost their jobs and want some larger businesses that will give them the opportunity to go back to work and the businesses you mention are not large enough as are they have the employees they need and only when one quits, dies, retires, etc is there an opening.

There are more people unemployed trying to stay in the area the grew up in, have family then there are jobs.
superbia avia

Eureka, CA

#108 Apr 4, 2010
Best you check with the companies to find out how many employees they have. Many more than a "few". Go count heads at Kokatat or Wings Inflatable.

If HSU closed down the HSU employees would move. Less demand lower prices. Less population less pollution. Less cars less traffic and more parking especially on the Plaza. Go the Plaza at midnight (Sidelines and Toby and Jacks') and see Arcata's Police being overworked. No HSU less police staffing. Money better spent.
Wings

Eureka, CA

#109 Apr 4, 2010
There are about 40 employees at Wings Inflatable. We have nothing to do with HSU.
fun time

Eureka, CA

#110 Apr 4, 2010
superbia avia wrote:
Best you check with the companies to find out how many employees they have. Many more than a "few". Go count heads at Kokatat or Wings Inflatable.
If HSU closed down the HSU employees would move. Less demand lower prices. Less population less pollution. Less cars less traffic and more parking especially on the Plaza. Go the Plaza at midnight (Sidelines and Toby and Jacks') and see Arcata's Police being overworked. No HSU less police staffing. Money better spent.
You are right let's all go back to the 50/60s population wise. Then the local rip off businesses can raise prices even higher.

may not have any hospitals and much less doctors also, no people no business. As a matter of fact there would probably be less local business for the same reason.

No more crime, except if there will be less police there will be more meth labs, and other drug production. Most of it probably in the hands of cartels.

Sounds like a plan.

Teachers wouldn't be the only ones to leave.
Full Shine

Eureka, CA

#111 Apr 4, 2010
Fun time. You are just going the same drivel since you last posts. Same old crap. Find some facts. Otherwise quit embarrassing yourself.
fun time

Eureka, CA

#112 Apr 4, 2010
Full Shine wrote:
Fun time. You are just going the same drivel since you last posts. Same old crap. Find some facts. Otherwise quit embarrassing yourself.
You can't handle the truth! All you who want to stay in another century I understand Islam is looking for recruits.
truthful 1

Eugene, OR

#113 Apr 4, 2010
fun time,
We have to agree with Fill Shine. You really never have any answers, just insults. Is that because you cannot substantiate what you write? Or is it because when the truth about education is written, it somehow scares you?
The amount of money spent on education is certainly not cost effective. But there is always a demand for more money.
I believe if a student wants to go to college, it is on his dime. Running a college is a business and if it is not productive and cost effective, it goes bankrupt.
I would suggest a CEO of any major business in the US could effectively run a collega better than it has been in the past to the present.
There would be no hesitation to eliminate the fat and fluff.
Becoming a streamlined university would not only allow HSU to operate in the black, within budget, but would also have to expand because of the quality of education.
Not the lack there of.
When a college is functionong as it should, all bills are paid and students waiting for openings to register.
This will only happen when the business of running a university is ran by a business person.
D Leckband BS 1982

Urbana, IL

#114 Apr 5, 2010
Penny wise and pound foolish
It is beyond belief that this institution would consider axing core scientific disciplines to save on short term costs. Does the administration really think they can maintain an accredited engineering program without physics, or an accredited biology program without chemistry and physics. Do they really think that they can train environmental scientists who don't know what a heavy metal is and what it reacts with? In a world where nano- and molecular are defining the technologies of the future, how do they expect to turn out graduates intellectually prepared to take on leadership roles in the workforce.
Deborah Leckband
Reid T. Milner Professor of Chemical Sciences
University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
B.S. Chemistry 1982
Your Future Nurse

Eureka, CA

#115 Apr 5, 2010
So when that 2 year degree gets old to me, and I want job advancement what is my next step then in this community? And if a BSN degree is required to be a community nurse, why is the BSN useless? O thats right 2 year nurses, never do a public health rotation and cant think what lies beyond that hospital...
Frog Eyes

Eureka, CA

#116 Apr 6, 2010
Wrong. You still have to be an RN. Whether you have a two year degree or a four year degree the RN does not discriminate between the two. In fact, if you go to the hospital and look at the nurses you cannot tell the difference between the two.

If a BSN degree is required for a community nurse it is news to me. Why a BSN? It is the RN that gives you the qualifications to work.

You should go to the nearest hospital and ask the procedures RN's go through. Your BSN will not allow you into OR. That takes training. You BSN will not allow you into Orthro. Requires training. Doesn't make any difference whether you have a BSN or a CR two year degree. You do not have any special tracking because you have a four year degree. Again, you could have a PHd in Nursing and if you do not have the RN you do not work at the hospital. Nor most MD's offices. So what does the BSN get you. Nothing without the RN.
ITSALLGOOD

Eureka, CA

#119 Jul 9, 2010
Eurekean wrote:
Nobody is "slamming" the HSU nursing program. Cuts have to be made at HSU. Two nurse programs in this small area is not needed. And there is NO shortage of nurses in the area.
Second, Do not other schools have larger nurse degree programs? HSU is not the only school. Nurse shortages are in areas with a college nursing program.
The "slam" I was referring to was derogatory comments some poster(s) made about the HSU program. It was not in reference to possible closure of the program.
You are very short-sighted if you see the two local programs as supplying only the local community with nurses. While some graduates stay local, many move to other areas. These programs serve our entire country. Also - every hospital in this county is looking for nursing staff. How is that not a shortage?
Hospitals wrote:
Having an RN is what gets you employment. No one cares if you went to a two year or four year program. Registered Nurse is a test that has to be passed. If you go to a hospital for employment and tell them you have a four year degree in nursing they will ask are you registered. If you are not you might as wipe your butt with your degree.
There are differences between a 2 and 4 year degree in Nursing. Some employers require the higher degree. For example, you cannot be a Public Health Nurse with a 2 year degree. Of course all have to pass the nursing state board exam and be registered.
fun time

Eureka, CA

#120 Jul 9, 2010
ITSALLGOOD wrote:
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The "slam" I was referring to was derogatory comments some poster(s) made about the HSU program. It was not in reference to possible closure of the program.
You are very short-sighted if you see the two local programs as supplying only the local community with nurses. While some graduates stay local, many move to other areas. These programs serve our entire country. Also - every hospital in this county is looking for nursing staff. How is that not a shortage?
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There are differences between a 2 and 4 year degree in Nursing. Some employers require the higher degree. For example, you cannot be a Public Health Nurse with a 2 year degree. Of course all have to pass the nursing state board exam and be registered.
What you and others who put down the 2 yr CC degree is some don't want to continue on for a 4 yr degree but most will do so. So they end up with the full college degree.
They generally go to a CC to save money and some to find out if it's the field they want to continue in, if not they either change majors or drop out.

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