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Tweaking The Climate To Save It: Who Decides?

There are 30 comments on the WFMZ story from Apr 3, 2011, titled Tweaking The Climate To Save It: Who Decides?. In it, WFMZ reports that:

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Bob

Watsontown, PA

#1 Apr 8, 2011
i lovw the article!!! it is very persuading.
Keep up the good work :)

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#2 Apr 9, 2011
"If we could experiment with the atmosphere and literally play God, it's very tempting to a scientist," said senior Kenyan earth scientist Richard Odingo. "But I worry."
OmegaMan

Manchester, UK

#3 Apr 9, 2011
Yes - we may be amongst the next to last generation of our species to walk the Earth. If the atmosphere isn't fixed, that's it for all of us. There won't be any more future generations of our families. All the human societal stuff that's happening now, the Islamic fundamentalism, the oil grabbing by the West, the economic adjustments - all of that is really taking attention away from the most important, the only thing that should matter right now, and that is getting prepared for climate change whilst finding solutions to keep it in correct balance. Climate change is a reality, what ever the caused, we can see that now. Because once the average temperature rises only a couple of degrees, that will be it, a runaway rise will be instigated. As soon as a 5 degree rise happens, we, the human race, will be written out of history and existence forever by evolution. 98% of species that existed became wiped out by such changes. But in our case it's a greater shame since we have instigated it and we will be allowing it to happen to us.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#4 Apr 9, 2011
OmegaMan, are you considering suicide as an alternative?
I trust you don't have offspring and that you're not planning on having any?
Have a nice day.
enviroloonies

Daventry, UK

#5 Apr 9, 2011
a "senior earth scientist" ? what is that? sounds like some sort of witch doctor.
OmegaMan

Manchester, UK

#6 Apr 9, 2011
Earthling-1 wrote:
OmegaMan, are you considering suicide as an alternative?
I trust you don't have offspring and that you're not planning on having any?
Have a nice day.
I'm a fighter, I never give up.
I will put my attention on the solution.
ChickenLicken

Manchester, UK

#7 Apr 9, 2011
Earthling-1 wrote:
OmegaMan, are you considering suicide as an alternative?
I trust you don't have offspring and that you're not planning on having any?
Have a nice day.
Haha, that's good. But you raise an interesting point. Who will the impending effects of climate change affect the most? Yes, children, tommorow's adults. So shouldn't they be prepared now for handling the potential challenges?
EcoTerminator

Manchester, UK

#8 Apr 9, 2011
Who deccides?
It seems this needs to happen on a grass roots level as well.
enviroloonies

Daventry, UK

#9 Apr 9, 2011
what a bunch of wallies - you can't change the climate. present changes are purely natural and have happened before. Don't fall for Gore's scam.
Bishop Tutu

Newcastle Upon Tyne, UK

#10 Apr 9, 2011
enviroloonies wrote:
what a bunch of wallies - you can't change the climate. present changes are purely natural and have happened before. Don't fall for Gore's scam.
You are missing the point. Regardless of the causes, the world is going through a climactic change.
Hence the melting of the polar caps, the loss of land masses under oceans eg the Maldives, the severe extreme weather conditions such as in China, Pakistan, Russia last year. As such, these incidences are becoming more frequent and more extreme. That being the case, we need to prepare.
Bishop Woo Woo

Daventry, UK

#11 Apr 9, 2011
Bishop Tutu wrote:
<quoted text>
You are missing the point. Regardless of the causes, the world is going through a climactic change.
Hence the melting of the polar caps, the loss of land masses under oceans eg the Maldives, the severe extreme weather conditions such as in China, Pakistan, Russia last year. As such, these incidences are becoming more frequent and more extreme. That being the case, we need to prepare.
like I said, you are talking a load of bollocks. It isn't the fault of humans, so stop looking for money from richer nations because you people don't like the weather.
George

Stroudsburg, PA

#12 Apr 9, 2011
Tweak the atmosphere with balloons and airplanes? Paint all the roofs white?? And these are the ideas of our best and brightest? PUH-LEEZ, try to imagine the scope of this job. We cant afford to fly a space shuttle anymore and we are going to equip, fuel and fly crop dusters to "tweak the atmosphere" How arrogant of some of us to believe we have the right, let alone the capability to tweak mother nature!
Listen to this guy, he's right;

Since: Apr 10

Milwaukee, WI USA

#13 Apr 9, 2011
Bishop Tutu wrote:
You are missing the point. Regardless of the causes, the world is going through a climactic change.
Right you are, climate is changing and it always has.
Bishop Tutu wrote:
Hence the melting of the polar caps
Not true, if you take a look at table 10.7 in the IPCC's AR4 you will find that Antarctica has a negative impace on sea level. That means it's gaining ice and will cause sea level to drop. The sum of those Antarctic negative numbers and those of Greenland add up to negative number five out of the six scenarios tabulated in Table 10.7

http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/...
Bishop Tutu wrote:
the loss of land masses under oceans eg the Maldives
Sea level is going up around 2 mm per year like it always has. Claims to the contrary aren't true. Claims that it's going up two meters by the year 2100 are just plain ridiculous.
Bishop Tutu wrote:
the severe extreme weather conditions such as in China, Pakistan, Russia last year. As such, these incidences are becoming more frequent and more extreme.
I know you'd like to think that's true but it's not.
Bishop Tutu wrote:
That being the case, we need to prepare.
It's not the case. You need to to do some serious objective investigation.

Prof Challenger

Glenrothes, UK

#14 Apr 10, 2011
Churmudgeon Guess Who

Valders, WI

#16 Apr 10, 2011
The nuclear disaster in Japan Is a greater danger than any glowbull warming. Its caused by the planetery alighnment set to occur on or about 12-12-2012. The earth is being gravitationally pulled . We are expieriencing a pole shift. There is a pole shift about every 3600 years. The earthquakes and other wierd happenings will increase until that date then they will slowly taper off. Man didnt cause it. Man cant prevent it. Its absurd to believe mans activities have any real or lastng effect on the earth. Even more absurd to think we can stop or mitigate the coming changes.
Gore Blimey

Daventry, UK

#17 Apr 10, 2011
Prof Challenger wrote:
yes, they are. it is a scam, helped by a strange kind of liberal guilt. I expect it's all Bush's fault.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#18 Apr 10, 2011
Steve Case wrote:
Sea level is going up around 2 mm per year like it always has.
Looking at this graph, I'm not so sure sea level is currently rising at all.
Satellite observations through September 2010:
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/wp-images/H...
Fun Facts

Albuquerque, NM

#19 Apr 10, 2011
Prof Challenger wrote:
Pretty much. You are appealing to some 'authority' to tell you what to believe. First science is not about belief. It does not matter what you believe, it matters what you can provide evidence of.

Has arctic sea ice decreased in the last 30 years? Yes it has. Would you be surprised to know that it also decreased in the years around 1922 and 1817? It did and there are many studies of the 1922 rapid ice melt. Have you seen any of them, have you read about them in the newspaper or seen magazine articles about the 1922 ice melt?

Yes Venus has a 95% CO2 atmosphere and the temps are very hot. Did you know that Mars also has a 95% CO2 atmosphere and it's very cold?

Yes, temps have gone up in the last 30 years, they went down in the 30 years that preceded this time period. Did you know that the rise in temps in the years prior to the mid century decline went up at a rate equal to or greater than the last 30 years?

Are you aware that altho we are experiencing warming now the overall trend of our earth's temps are in decline?

Are you aware that the largest extent of glaciation since the end of the Younger Dryas, approx 10,500 years ago, was during the Little Ice Age. A mere 400 to 150 years ago.

What I am trying to get across is that altho you are being told a lot about today's temps, you haven't been given much perspective.

Here's a look at the greenland and vostok ice core temp data for the last 10,000 years. The greenland is most indicative of our northern hemisphere activity because of the earth's wobble, precession. The temp trend is down, makes sense because we have been in this interglacial for about 14,000 years interrupted by the Younger Dryas, approx 11,500 years ago. Most interglacials last about 10,000 to 20,000 years.

http://mclean.ch/climate/Ice_cores.htm

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#20 Apr 11, 2011
ChickenLicken wrote:
Haha, that's good. But you raise an interesting point. Who will the impending effects of climate change affect the most? Yes, children, tommorow's adults. So shouldn't they be prepared now for handling the potential challenges?
How did you prepare or who prepared you for the climate change that's happened during your lifetime?

Since: Apr 10

Milwaukee, WI USA

#21 Apr 11, 2011
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>How did you prepare or who prepared you for the climate change that's happened during your lifetime?
Good answer (-:

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