Sea level rise: It's worse than we th...

Sea level rise: It's worse than we thought

There are 3772 comments on the New Scientist story from Jul 2, 2009, titled Sea level rise: It's worse than we thought. In it, New Scientist reports that:

FOR a few minutes David Holland forgets about his work and screams like a kid on a roller coaster.

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gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#3201 Jan 16, 2014
Steve Case wrote:
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Showing you guys the real numbers
http://sealevel.colorado.edu/files/2013_rel8/...
certainly isn't working.
Your amortization table is an interesting example. The miracle of compound interest as my stock broker likes to say. The more money you have the more money you make. So what's driving up sea level? It's mostly melting ice isn't it? And it's the receding alpine glaciers around the world that are supplying the ice. Unlike the compound interest amortization examples, as time goes on there's less and less ice to supply more and more water to fill the requirements of your ever increasing rate in sea level rise.
I know you guys are going to claim Antarctica and Green Land and claim they are melting now, but they aren't. Those goofy guys in that ship that got stuck in the ice earlier this month are believers like you. They really thought they were going to find less ice where Mawson explored 100 years ago. They were so cock sure in their beliefs that, just like you, they never checked reality.
Gee, Steve, for a moment there I thought my simple suggestion of an amortization table might be about to produce a revelation for you but....oh well, maybe next time.

When you said the poles weren't melting, and therefore not contributing to the rise, I knew I was still dealing with a regular old ignernt denier. Dammit, Steve, I'm rooting for ya, boy, but you can't just go round ignoring massive amounts of evidence.

Then you had to bring up the ships trapped in the ice, another favorite in the denier community. Yes they were trapped in ice that was part of the glacier that broke off last year..........because of global warming.

And in all your fantasy about less melt from glaciers and no melt from the poles, you haven't paid any attention to the thermal expansion that is responsible for half the rise so far.

I just don't know what we're gonna do with you, Stevie. You try SO HARD, but you fall flat every time.
SpaceBlues

Cypress, TX

#3202 Feb 4, 2014
The increasing velocity of Jakobshavn, located in the south-west of Greenland, means that the glacier is adding more and more ice to the ocean, contributing to sea-level rise.

"We know that from 2000 to 2010 this glacier alone increased sea level by about 1mm. With the additional speed it likely will contribute a bit more than this over the next decade," said Ian Joughin.[bbc.com, today]
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#3203 Feb 4, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
The increasing velocity of Jakobshavn, located in the south-west of Greenland, means that the glacier is adding more and more ice to the ocean, contributing to sea-level rise.
"We know that from 2000 to 2010 this glacier alone increased sea level by about 1mm. With the additional speed it likely will contribute a bit more than this over the next decade," said Ian Joughin.[bbc.com, today]
http://www.the-cryosphere.net/8/209/2014/tc-8...

The hidden point is that all the greenland glaciers are probably doing the same.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#3204 Feb 11, 2014
Steve Case wrote:
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Maybe you should do some arithmetic.
Why?

Is that all you can say these days?

Since: Apr 10

Milwaukee, WI USA

#3206 Feb 16, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Why?
Is that all you can say these days?
Whether you guys are right or wrong boils down to the numbers, and it's arithmetic that tells you what the numbers are saying. You and your fellow travelers don't really want to know what the numbers say.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#3207 Feb 16, 2014
Steve Case wrote:
<quoted text>
Whether you guys are right or wrong boils down to the numbers, and it's arithmetic that tells you what the numbers are saying. You and your fellow travelers don't really want to know what the numbers say.
That would be true if they were the ones that were innumerate. YOU on the other hand find whatever numbers please you is odd locations not related to good science (which uses good math).

Since: Apr 10

Milwaukee, WI USA

#3208 Feb 17, 2014
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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That would be true if they were the ones that were innumerate. YOU on the other hand find whatever numbers please you is odd locations not related to good science (which uses good math).
So this page
http://sealevel.colorado.edu/
Colorado University's Sea Level Research Group and its raw data page
http://sealevel.colorado.edu/files/2014_rel1/...
and the archives of those pages
http://web.archive.org/web/20040719102733/htt...
aren't good enough for you?

Just exactly what data pages tell you what you want to hear? I'm curious to find out what that data is.

By the way, it looks like you don't know what innumerate means.
Earthling

Spain

#3209 Feb 17, 2014
Steve Case wrote:
<quoted text>
So this page
http://sealevel.colorado.edu/
Colorado University's Sea Level Research Group and its raw data page
http://sealevel.colorado.edu/files/2014_rel1/...
and the archives of those pages
http://web.archive.org/web/20040719102733/htt...
aren't good enough for you?
Just exactly what data pages tell you what you want to hear? I'm curious to find out what that data is.
By the way, it looks like you don't know what innumerate means.
You're dealing with something that thinks forty is spelt with a U, so don't expect literacy.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#3210 Feb 17, 2014
Earthling wrote:
<quoted text>You're dealing with something that thinks forty is spelt with a U, so don't expect literacy.
The geriatric stalker's last (Zimmer frame) ride.
litesong

Everett, WA

#3211 Feb 17, 2014
[QUOTE who="slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig dirtling"]so don't expect.[/QUOTE]

From "slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig dirtling", I only expect slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig dirtling things.
Earthling

Spain

#3212 Feb 18, 2014
FugYou wrote:
The geriatric stalker's last (Zimmer frame) ride.
You wish.Ö¿Ö
Earthling

Spain

#3213 Feb 18, 2014
LessFact wrote:
Lie. It says that a doubling every ten years,*if continued*, would lead to five meters of rise by 2090.
How could it not continue, unless mankind stops burning those "evil fossil fuels" that made our civilisation what it is now?
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#3214 Feb 18, 2014
Earthling wrote:
<quoted text>How could it not continue, unless mankind stops burning those "evil fossil fuels" that made our civilisation what it is now?
What made civilization is the ability to recognise when something works and when it doesn't and take the next step despite idiot Luddites like you who make a religion of some aspect of the 'status quo'.

And it is a matter of degree, not to use or not to use. The IPCC has many 'scenarios' which have a selection of how much GHG's are added because it isn't a matter of giving up ALL fossil fuels tomorrow. You distort things as a matter of course, to the point that I am wondering if you are capable of a reasoned discourse.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#3215 Mar 12, 2014
Hmmm. Scientists at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration sounded a strong warning about rising seas Monday, saying that ocean levels around the world are projected to increase by 12 inches or more should a bunch of people go swimming at the same time. “According to our latest analysis, an increase in global mean sea level of several inches is inevitable at this point given the approach of summer beach season, when millions of people will simultaneously go for a swim,” said oceanographer Paul Acosta at a press conference, adding that the increase could be “significantly higher” than currently predicted if lots of beachgoers choose to hold their breath and go under all the way. “Coastal cities and low-lying islands are the most vulnerable to rising sea levels, particularly if it’s not just kids who go for a dip, but full-grown adults as well. Our best hope now is moderating the rise as much as we can by convincing people to only wade in up to their waists.” Acosta also warned about the devastating possibilities of catastrophic tsunamis should everyone jump into the ocean together from a dock or off the side of a boat.

Since: Apr 10

Milwaukee, WI USA

#3216 Mar 15, 2014
If they jump off the side of a boat, they are already displacing water, since the boat floats, so nothing will happen in that regard, therefore, your article is a bunch of crap.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#3217 Mar 15, 2014
Steve Case wrote:
If they jump off the side of a boat, they are already displacing water, since the boat floats, so nothing will happen in that regard, therefore, your article is a bunch of crap.
No, it's a joke.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/report-ocean...

Since: Apr 10

Milwaukee, WI USA

#3218 Mar 15, 2014
A joke? An' here I thought it was fer real. You got me on that one you clever dog
litesong

Everett, WA

#3219 Mar 15, 2014
[QUOTE who="steve's case of the itch"].....you clever dog[/QUOTE]

"steve's case of the itch" proves it is a motley itchy dog.
SpaceBlues

United States

#3220 May 3, 2014
Peron wrote:
Yep, it gets warmer, big deal, happened before. Nothing is new under the sun.
Comment (2-24):
Many commenters (e.g., 1018.1, 1117.1, 1158.1, 3570.1, 4184, 9786) state their support for the Findings, noting observed increases in global temperatures as one of the environmental effects of climate change.

Response (2-24):
We agree with the commenters that the global temperatures are increasing and note that the assessment literature finds warming of the climate system “unequivocal”(IPCC, 2007a; Karl et al., 2009). See the Findings, Section IV.B (PDF)(52 pp, 307K),“The Air Pollution Is Reasonably Anticipated to Endanger Both Public Health and Welfare,” for our response to comments on how the Administrator weighed the scientific evidence underlying her endangerment determination.

Comment (2-25):
A few commenters express their support for the Findings and note their observations of temperature changes. Noting that he has lived in the Midwest for 60 years, a commenter (2072) attests that the winters over the last 30 years have been warmer than the previous 30 years. A commenter (3400.1) from Washington State mentions that he is seeing regional temperature increases.

Response (2-25):
We agree with the observations of these commenters. Karl et al.(2009) note a noticeable increase in temperatures in the Midwest in recent decades and report the largest increase has been measured in winter. Karl et al.(2009) also indicate warming in the Pacific Northwest and in Washington state in recent decades.
SpaceBlues

Desoto, TX

#3221 May 4, 2014
- Part of East Antarctica is more vulnerable than expected to a thaw that could trigger an unstoppable slide of ice into the ocean and raise world sea levels for thousands of years, a study showed on Sunday.

The Wilkes Basin in East Antarctica, stretching more than 1,000 km (600 miles) inland, has enough ice to raise sea levels by 3 to 4 meters (10-13 feet) if it were to melt as an effect of global warming, the report said.

The Wilkes is vulnerable because it is held in place by a small rim of ice, resting on bedrock below sea level by the coast of the frozen continent. That "ice plug" might melt away in coming centuries if ocean waters warm up.

http://news.yahoo.com/east-antarctica-more-ri...

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