Sea level rise: It's worse than we th...

Sea level rise: It's worse than we thought

There are 3768 comments on the New Scientist story from Jul 2, 2009, titled Sea level rise: It's worse than we thought. In it, New Scientist reports that:

FOR a few minutes David Holland forgets about his work and screams like a kid on a roller coaster.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at New Scientist.

SpaceBlues

United States

#2684 Feb 27, 2013
tina anne wrote:
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Actually, many scientist disagree that humans are the cause of global warming. Thousands of scientist disagree including some of the leading climate researchers. It is reflected in scientific journals.
Of course what you are referring to is not science but politics. People like you define scientific journals and researchers as those who support your point of view and those who disagree as funded by fossil fuel think tanks. Of course you ignore who funds those who you agree with and how many of those have been caught in lies over the subjects or claim that is an attempt to silence the truth.
The truth is that yes the earth has been warming. It has been warming since the end of the last ice age. Evidence also proves that the earth has been far warmer in it's past, the CO2 levels have been far higher. During those times man did not exist or even mammals for that matter.
What you suffer from is mental issues. Issues that you feel like you have control of the world around you like you can control the temperature in your room. It upsets you that you cannot.
What! Focus on your personal issues like this:

http://www.breakingnews.com/item/ahZzfmJyZWFr...
litesong

Everett, WA

#2685 Feb 27, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
Focus on your(tiny-minded anne) personal issues:
And in downtown Norfolk, the water is so close that a moored battleship, the USS Wisconsin, looks like it's about to enter rush hour traffic........

The sea wall was high enough when it was built several decades ago, but Atkinson says it may not be anymore.

"Well, you can see the brown mark there on the pumping station," he says, pointing to a place well up the wall. "That's where high tide normally is."

When Hurricane Irene went by last year, waves approached the top of the barrier, Atkinson says, adding that just about everyone in Norfolk acknowledges the problem of rising water.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#2686 Feb 28, 2013
tina anne wrote:
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Actually, many scientist disagree that humans are the cause of global warming... It is reflected in scientific journals.
Of course what you are referring to is not science but politics...
The truth is that yes the earth has been warming. It has been warming since the end of the last ice age...
More of the usual nonsense from you, despite being proven wrong multiple times on other threads. If you think "many" scientists disagree that humans are the main cause of global warming, then post the links. On other threads you haven't been able to do that, except to denier blogs. Post the links to scientific papers.

This pie chart represents scientific papers published between 1991 & 2012. Less than 0.2% disagree with global warming.

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/...

The earth has NOT been warming since the last ice age. The peak of our current interglacial was roughly ~7,500 to 8,000 years ago, & we'd been generally cooling until CO2 emissions began causing warming in the 1800s. The graph is clear:

http://www.google.com/imgres...

Yes, deniers are primarily political & ideological. Science is, by its nature, non-political & non-ideological.

Results must be repeatable by other scientists in other places at other times. Any biased results, for political or other reasons, will be quickly discovered by others.

Mistakes may be simply embarrassing, but outright deception usually means the end of a scientist's academic career. This system dramatically reduces political & other distortions from science.

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#2687 Mar 5, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
Actually, what Slate had was those rejecting the idea of global warming period and not those rejecting that man is the cause. Then again all you had was a simple minded picture with nothing else. Something well suited to your narrow mind. Notice that they did not bother to list the 24 studies. A dead giveaway because if they did then all someone would have to do is find one more to cast doubt. In fact there are hundreds that disproved AGW alone.

What happened is that they searched a database called the web of science for articles in that database and only that database. No other and I also find it funny that the person who did the study, a James Lawrence Powell geologist is no more qualified than I am in this particular subject. A review of his work on the subject and a common thread of it has to be man.

The fact is that Dr Claude Allegre has published over a hundred on the subject all by his self. So much for the claim in that picture. The fact is some of the databases have a tendancy to lean one way or another. Which is why a good researcher would use a sample of several such as Proquest, Gale, and Apollo. In one database I found more than 24 peer reviewed articles about how people like yoursef and how you cling to climate change. In fact I have to admit that the one phrase "strains of Romantic utopianism in relation to current perspectives on a changing climate." is a perfect description of people like yourself. This reminds me of the claim that 97% supported the idea of man made global warming to only discover that it was only 79 out of over 10,000 had bothered to return it.

I look foward to watching you discover the oops when you discover that you didn't dig deep enough.

http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer...

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm...

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#2688 Mar 5, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>What! Focus on your personal issues like this:
http://www.breakingnews.com/item/ahZzfmJyZWFr...
The funny part was that Holloween night there were kids Trick or Treating in that very location. The area in question was mud flats that they filled in so it orginally flooded on every high tide and is sinking under the weight of the construction and the fill dirt. You can even see the River in the background. They also had a problem in that they built the sewer system in the area in a circle so it cannot drain anywhere.

I know what you were attempting but you should do a little background research. Norfolk, like New Orleans is slowly sinking under the weight of all the buildings and is not being replenished as the result of flood control. If you were to look at the first maps of the area or even civil war era maps and you would discover that many of the areas in Norfolk that flood were swamps, mud flats or even creeks. The politically connected arranged for public works projects to dump trash, dirt, and manure into these locations and then later built homes on the land.

Please do the research. For example if you did then you would discover that Norfolk sits on teh edge of a meteor impact crater. After creating such a deep hole the land has not finished settling. Another is that the plates are still tilting as the result of the last ice age. We even have earthquakes as a result of that event. The last one damaged the Washington Monument.

http://hamptonroads.com/2011/08/study-stresse...

http://hamptonroads.com/2010/08/consultants-w...

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#2689 Mar 5, 2013
HomoSapiensLaptopicus wrote:
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More of the usual nonsense from you, despite being proven wrong multiple times on other threads. If you think "many" scientists disagree that humans are the main cause of global warming, then post the links. On other threads you haven't been able to do that, except to denier blogs. Post the links to scientific papers.
This pie chart represents scientific papers published between 1991 & 2012. Less than 0.2% disagree with global warming.
http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/...
The earth has NOT been warming since the last ice age. The peak of our current interglacial was roughly ~7,500 to 8,000 years ago, & we'd been generally cooling until CO2 emissions began causing warming in the 1800s. The graph is clear:
http://www.google.com/imgres...
Yes, deniers are primarily political & ideological. Science is, by its nature, non-political & non-ideological.
Results must be repeatable by other scientists in other places at other times. Any biased results, for political or other reasons, will be quickly discovered by others.
Mistakes may be simply embarrassing, but outright deception usually means the end of a scientist's academic career. This system dramatically reduces political & other distortions from science.
Disproved multiple times, you mean those same bogus web sites that you and your friend tend to reference. That "pie chart" with nothing else is a classic spin tactic. Of course I took a few minutes to look it up and discovered that the maker of that chart was only one database called the "Web of Science". Not exactly as well known as say Gale, Apollo, or Proquest.

And lets look at the person who did the work. His name is James Lawrence and he is a geologist and has published a series of articles that all start with the familar frame of man is the cause of global warming and then proceeds to try and prove it. He is someone who is now invested in man made climate change and when it falls apart his reputation is going to suffer as a result.
SpaceBlues

United States

#2690 Mar 6, 2013
.. the severe loss of summertime Arctic sea ice -- due to greenhouse warming -- aims to enhance Northern Hemisphere jet stream meandering, intensify Arctic air mass invasions toward middle latitudes, and increase the frequency of atmospheric blocking events like the one that steered Hurricane Sandy west into the densely populated New York City area.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#2691 Mar 6, 2013
tina anne wrote:
His name is James Lawrence and he is a geologist
James Lawrence Powell

Reagan and Bush both thought his advice was worth listening to.

http://www.jamespowell.org/Bio/Bio.html

He holds a Ph.D. in Geochemistry from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and several honorary degrees, including Doctor of Science degrees from Berea College and from Oberlin College.

He taught Geology at Oberlin College for over 20 years.

He served as Acting President of Oberlin, President of Franklin and Marshall College, President of Reed College, President of the Franklin Institute Science Museum in Philadelphia, and President and Director of the Los Angeles County Museum of Natural History.

Powell currently serves as Executive Director of the National Physical Science Consortium.

President Reagan and later, President George H. W. Bush, both appointed Powell to the National Science Board, where he served for 12 years.
SpaceBlues

United States

#2692 Mar 9, 2013
From the article..

What would serious steps entail?

According to the Meinshausen paper, up to 80 per cent of our known reserve of fossil fuels will have to stay in the ground.

“The carbon budget implied by the 2 C limit,” Jaccard wrote,“means that we cannot be making new investments that expand the carbon polluting infrastructure.

“This means no expansion of oilsands, no new pipelines (like Keystone and Northern Gateway) and no expansion of coal mines and coal ports.

“This does not mean shutting down the oilsands. It does not mean shutting coal mines. These will continue to operate for decades. But you cannot be expanding carbon polluting production and also prevent 2 C or even 4 C temperature increase. The industry knows this, but prefers its ads telling us about the jobs and revenue from expanding the polluting infrastructure.”

But the remedies needed, Rees suggested, might have to be even more draconian than that.

“Even the International Energy Agency and the World Bank have recently conceded that even if present agreed-upon policies were implemented, the world is likely headed to four Celsius degrees warming by the end of the century. This would render much of the most heavily populated parts of the earth uninhabitable ...”

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/Pete+M ...
abadapple

Surrey, Canada

#2693 Mar 9, 2013
you guys remind me of know adolls stupid yet confident in your tiny narrow minded brains who knows the truth all i know is the secret society wants us all deaad its called depopulation too many humans are pissing in the sea thats why
SpaceBlues

United States

#2694 Mar 9, 2013
Canadian glaciers are the world's third biggest store of ice after Antarctica and Greenland. They are headed for an irreversible melt that will push up sea levels; the mass loss is irreversible in the foreseeable future. [the scientists in the journal Geophysical Research Letters.]+
abadapple

Surrey, Canada

#2695 Mar 9, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
Canadian glaciers are the world's third biggest store of ice after Antarctica and Greenland. They are headed for an irreversible melt that will push up sea levels; the mass loss is irreversible in the foreseeable future.[the scientists in the journal Geophysical Research Letters.]+
what aboutall the humans pissing in the sea
abadapple

Surrey, Canada

#2696 Mar 9, 2013
har billy i do smell the pee of a million english men and billy says its a tribute to prince harry the biggest pisser of them all
litesong

Everett, WA

#2697 Mar 9, 2013
adumbbadapple wrote:
what aboutall(sic) the humans pissing in the sea
A little water recycles back to where it came from not long before. However, man-made & released GHGs continue to slow(thus concentrating) solar heat trying to escape back into space, for 100+ years for some major GHGs. The man-made infra-red energy absorbing non-phase change GHG CO2 come from millions of years of sequestered underground deposits, that are being released now, building towards 10 thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand KGs, sometime past the year 2100.
abadapple

Surrey, Canada

#2698 Mar 9, 2013
litesong wrote:
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A little water recycles back to where it came from not long before. However, man-made & released GHGs continue to slow(thus concentrating) solar heat trying to escape back into space, for 100+ years for some major GHGs. The man-made infra-red energy absorbing non-phase change GHG CO2 come from millions of years of sequestered underground deposits, that are being released now, building towards 10 thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand KGs, sometime past the year 2100.
hey einstein i stili dont insult you unless you are being a jerk dumbass go fu a goat
SpaceBlues

United States

#2699 Mar 10, 2013
The impacts of increased carbon dioxide go far beyond making the water warmer and more acidic. Many species are weakened by the loss of oxygen and the spread of infectious diseases can speed up when water temperatures rise. Higher carbon dioxide levels in the ocean lead to an increase in carbonic acid, which reduces the availability of structural materials that mollusks and crustaceans need to form their shells.

http://www.kjonline.com/news/changing-climate...

Absorption of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere into the ocean waters has increased to about 100 times what it was 600 years ago, Green said. On average, ocean carbon dioxide levels are up 30 percent, most of it absorbed in the past 50 years. Exacerbating the problem is runoff from rivers polluted by fertilizer and soil erosion, and millions of tons of untreated sewage pumped into coastal waters, including Casco Bay.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#2700 Mar 12, 2013
I've been vacationing in Jamaica for the past ten days, haven't been keeping up with this thread. The Blue Mountain Peak is 2256m above sea level.

If you vacation on an island without a mountain, that's your choice. If you live on an island without a mountain, please have my sympathy.

Sea level rise; nobody can stop it. Not the best politician or scientist in the world is going to save you as the oceans warm and rise. Good luck!

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#2701 Mar 13, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
I've been vacationing in Jamaica for the past ten days, haven't been keeping up with this thread.
The irony of a climate change denier taking a beach holiday on one of the islands most threatened by global warming and sea level rise!

http://www.google.co.uk/url...
SpaceBlues

United States

#2702 Mar 13, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
I've been vacationing in Jamaica for the past ten days, haven't been keeping up with this thread. The Blue Mountain Peak is 2256m above sea level.
If you vacation on an island without a mountain, that's your choice. If you live on an island without a mountain, please have my sympathy.
Sea level rise; nobody can stop it. Not the best politician or scientist in the world is going to save you as the oceans warm and rise. Good luck!
The innocent world below has no idea of your plans to destroy them:

http://dearkitty1.wordpress.com/2013/03/12/ne...

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#2703 Mar 13, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
The innocent world below has no idea of your plans to destroy them:[URL deleted]
How does mentioning the lack of experimental tests for climate change mitigation destroy anything other than hoax pseudoscience?

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