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Alamogordo Daily News - Global warming, and what must be done

There are 35 comments on the Alamogordo Daily News story from Dec 25, 2007, titled Alamogordo Daily News - Global warming, and what must be done. In it, Alamogordo Daily News reports that:

Global warming is undoubtedly caused by Western industrialized society and its rampant consumerism, but the effects are disproportionately felt by the world's non-industrialized nations.

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downinthelowland s

Alamogordo, NM

#1 Dec 26, 2007
The earth is constantly changing.

Quit trying to justify "scientists" or others who "study" the global situation...trying to lump certain effects into a "category" to that Congress will fund with taxpayer dollars to find out why...the polar ice caps are melting.

BTW - have u traveled to the Artic and seen for yourself? And, you don't live tell me, how do you know they are melting, have changed, things are changing?

You'll be long gone before any of this rubbish is proven, true!

Go fix your America first...then worry about some melting chunks of ice!

Galloway, OH

#2 Dec 26, 2007
I've heard this story before. Only it was in the 1930's and was told in German by a man named Adolf Hitler.

He was a great speaker, tricked a bunch of pathetic/weak minded people into following him. Six million Jews, and hundreds of thousands of soldiers died stopping him.

Point here is that when people in power say what they want to without anybody really asking any questions, young minds are indoctrinated with crazy ideas.

"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act"

-George Orwell

Albuquerque, NM

#3 Dec 26, 2007
This is Chicken Little at his finest!!

There are MANY scientific facts to disprove "global warming", but when a spokesperson like Al Gore refuses to look at or acknowledge them, millions of others will follow suit.
Sol Shapiro

Como, CO

#4 Dec 26, 2007
All of the activity to change the world's energy base is laudable. BUT, as a realist, there is a good chance that we will reach a "tipping point" before CO2 emissions are sufficiently reduced. And so we need to look at approaches which are not necessarily elegant but can stop global warming in short order. Such approaches are termed climate change geo-engineering and include the possibility of injecting long lived particulates into the upper atmosphere to reduce incoming solar radiation or cover vast areas of ocean or desert with reflective material. Let's put money into study of geo-engineering so we understand side effects and can deploy if needed.
Ron Jeske

Modesto, CA

#5 Dec 26, 2007
Gloabalwarming is not something that can be willed or wished away by politicians in the name of protecting the economy, this is the philosophy of one G. W. Bush. Facts are facts and as reported here and in other articles, we humans are contributing to the overall warming of the planet by our living practices and the use of fossil fuels to excess.

One of the major influences on global warming, as in the recent credit market collapse in housing, is greed on the part of developers and business owners. They do not want to negatively impact their "bottom Line" positions and use political connections to protect them with laws that exempt their use of resources or their business practices from any penalty.

We must all live in this world and share what we have left of it. Some things are renewable, others are not. We must protect ourselves and the rest of the world from selfish, greedy interests and careless politicians who lack the will to defend all of us, not just some of us.

Johor Bahru, Malaysia

#6 Dec 26, 2007 agree with their warming become a issue that cant be controlled by anyone.
David Jennrich

United States

#7 Dec 26, 2007
there is no telling the cultist of global warming that it is an agenda of liberals throughout the world(especially in the U.N.) to use this crap to install a socialist world wide order. they can only grab power if they destroy the world economy.

how come all these scientist had their trips to the north pole cancelled because the hellocoptor wouldnt work because it was too cold. or the ones that actually made it to the ice caps only to have to be rescued because they had extreme frost bite. i bet when those idiots look at the stumps where they used to have fingers and toes they will think twice about global warming.

i think instead of global warming we need global warning, about the intentions of marxist like al gore.

Warren, OH

#8 Dec 26, 2007
You are assuming, and I emphasize assuming, as Al Gore did in "An Inconvenient Truth" that global warming is being caused by man because of increased CO2 emissions. What Mr. Gore does not say in his big co2/temp chart is that the temp rise PRECEDES the co2 rise. The increased temp is being caused by increased sunspot activity. This warms the oceans which in turn emit massive quanities of co2.

Trying to stop global warming is like spitting in the ocean. To deprive third world countries of the food and economic success provided by carbon based industries is what is really cruel and inhumane. What man contributes is so slight as to be insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

Recheck your facts, and your morals.

“I LOVE President Barack Obama”

Since: Dec 07

NWIllinois-now-High Rolls, NM

#9 Dec 26, 2007
Well said Kristin ... hopefully the local Republicans running for US Senate in NM that have all stated Global Warming is NOT real will NOT be elected to office. We need policy makers that are elected to address the issue and not sweep in under the rug. The Republican Bush administration ignored the issue for many years, only now have they begun to admit the fact that this issue is real .... ONLY AFTER THE ENTIRE PLANET voted to address the issue leaving the U.S. and Communist China as long holdouts.

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#10 Dec 26, 2007
Thank you, Kristin, for a well written article. As you can see from the responses, both sides of the issue seem to have their own scientists. If you look closely, however, you will see that the skeptics among the scientists have affiliations or funding from large and powerful corporations that have a financial interest in supporting the idea that human driven global warning is a hoax. Those scientists that have found evidence supporting global warming and human causes tend to have more neutral sources of funding.

As a non-scientist, I think that, as a society, we should stop fouling our nest. Instead of arguing about whether or not there is a human cause of global warming or if there is a global warming, how about we stop polluting the air, the earth, and our drinking water? How about we stop wasting our resources and start appreciating the earth as our the only home we will ever have and which we should maintain and keep clean? It is not a corporate planet, it is the people's planet. Our planet.

Albuquerque, NM

#12 Dec 26, 2007
One big way to cut down on greenhouse gases is to become vegetarian, since the methane from cow manure is also eating away at the ozone layer (and there are PLENTY of cows out there). Maybe we should also get rid of all the trees and plants since they also emit greenhouse gases. When it comes right down to the bottom line, maybe we should get rid of all the people, since they also emit greenhouse gases. Will the global warming alarmists be satisfied then?

As to who to blame for wanting to be greedy ... how about those companies that are selling carbon offsets. How much of that money is really going into fuel substitutes and not just into someone's pockets?

Also, is Al Gore really cutting back on his consumption of resources? Just because his fuel bill is down from $1,200 a month to $900 doesn't mean he's doing such a wonderful job at conserving (compared to my $70). I've heard the excuse that he's earned his 10,000 square foot house. Well, I've earned my 1,000 square foot house, so why should I try to cut my consumption by, let's say, lowering my thermostat in the winter to 60 in order to suit the alarmists?

Albuquerque, NM

#13 Dec 26, 2007
P.S. How many of the global warming alarmists/believers have stopped using private jets?

It's been colder around my town the last few weeks this winter than I recall it being in prior years. Is that part of warming?

Redmond, WA

#14 Dec 26, 2007
While I agree global warming is real, the earthquake that caused the shift of the earths tilt and wobbled the earths rotation has a lot to do with the quick change in our climates. (ref early 20000s earthquake and tsnami) . Mother nature creates large and small changes on her own throughout history.
Bob Burk

Harrison, NJ

#15 Dec 26, 2007
As the former Czech Republic has said: "Global Warming is the new Socialism." Perhaps the Party will adopt Kristen's essay as their Manifesto. Kristen take the time to read the paper at the URL below, it is outstanding and you may learn something.

Albuquerque, NM

#16 Dec 26, 2007
Why would anyone in their right mind even want to listen to Al Gore, who's just a politican? As far as I know, he doesn't have a degree in climatology. Most of this mind control mantra we keep hearing about global warming is done by politicans. If you really want to know the truth, why not listen to true experts who say that there in no global warming. It's just part of the cycle that our weather goes though.

"In the past three years, we have seen the EU announcing every kind of measure geared to fighting climate change, from building ever more highly-subsidised wind turbines, to a commitment that by 2050 it will have reduced carbon emissions by 60 per cent. This is a pledge that could only be met by such a massive reduction in living standards that it is impossible to see the peoples of Europe accepting it.

All this frenzy has rested on the assumption that global temperatures will continue to rise in tandem with CO2 and that, unless mankind takes drastic action, our planet is faced with the apocalypse so vividly described by Al Gore in his Oscar-winning film An Inconvenient Truth.

Yet recently, stage five of the story has seen all sorts of question marks being raised over Gore's alleged consensus. For instance, he claimed that by the end of this century world sea levels will have risen by 20 ft when even the IPCC in its latest report, only predicts a rise of between four and 17 inches.There is also of course the harsh reality that, wholly unaffected by Kyoto, the economies of China and India are now expanding at nearly 10 per cent a year, with China likely to be emitting more CO2 than the US within two years.

More serious, however, has been all the evidence accumulating to show that, despite the continuing rise in CO2 levels, global temperatures in the years since 1998 have no longer been rising and may soon even be falling.

It was a telling moment when, in August, Gore's closest scientific ally, James Hansen of the Goddard Institute for Space Studies, was forced to revise his influential record of US surface temperatures showing that the past decade has seen the hottest years on record. His graph now concedes that the hottest year of the 20th century was not 1998 but 1934, and that four of the 10 warmest years in the past 100 were in the 1930s.

Furthermore, scientists and academics have recently been queuing up to point out that fluctuations in global temperatures correlate more consistently with patterns of radiation from the sun than with any rise in CO2 levels, and that after a century of high solar activity, the sun's effect is now weakening, presaging a likely drop in temperatures.

If global warming does turn out to have been a scare like all the others, it will certainly represent as great a collective flight from reality as history has ever recorded. The evidence of the next 10 years will be very interesting.;j...

Albuquerque, NM

#17 Dec 26, 2007
Al Gore is and has always been, a HACK.

“Rabble Rouser, Rouses Rabble ”

Since: Dec 07

Alamogordo, NM

#18 Dec 26, 2007
Kristen, first of all congratulations on winning the essay contest. I read the essay with a great deal of interest and while I found it to be well written, I cannot honestly say that I agree with everything that you had to say in it.

However, I would also say to you that you shouldn't be disheartened. You chose a subject that is both politically and emotionally charged.

To be honest, it is my opinion that most of us reading this and commenting will be long dead and dust before any of the diffinitive answers are known.

Good luck in your future endeavors..

United States

#19 Dec 27, 2007
Tell Me, Jeske, Just how big is your Carbon Footprint ?? How big is your Cal. home ???

Baltimore, MD

#20 Dec 27, 2007
Global warming, first of all, is NOT damaging the planet. Lets get that straight most of all. It may change things a little bit, but the world will be doing just fine. Pollution does damage to the environment, but that is entirely difference matter.
Global warming has been going on, to some degree, since the end of the Wisconsinian Glacial Maximum peaked about 15,000 to 18,000 years ago. If you are alarmed about the present state of climate change, then you must wish to reverse all that has happened since the beginning of the Holocene.

The opening line of this tirade that points a crooked finger at western culture and its "excesses" is a completely unveiled attempted to revolutionize society, undermine what the industrial and technological revolutions have done for the world and send us back to the Stone Age.

Global warming, as it is popularly presented to the world, is junk science. It is trailer-trash science. The question about human causality of a natural phenomenon is an intelligence test and the believes and promoters of it fail hopelessly.

East Saint Louis, IL

#21 Dec 27, 2007
Global Warming is really a Joke, its not the main and real issue and sure is not a piority isue... You all been naive and FOOLED into believing anything. You real culprites, all should look toward blamimg Industrail for-profitering enterprises, sobatoge and destroying of our earthly enviroment; you see impacted hazards in our water, air,, land, food...!

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