Is global warming 'cooking' the ocean...

Is global warming 'cooking' the ocean's food chain?

There are 24 comments on the KIVI-TV Nampa story from Sep 6, 2010, titled Is global warming 'cooking' the ocean's food chain?. In it, KIVI-TV Nampa reports that:

The foundation of the ocean food chain is eroding, and global warming is partly to blame.

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Northie

Spokane, WA

#1 Sep 6, 2010
Bingo. And, because phytoplankton account for a third of the world's carbon absorption, this is still more bad news for the climate.

Ever notice how clear and blue warm, tropical seas are? That's because they are nearly dead compared to the green, organic soup of colder seas.
HTS

Deer Park, TX

#2 Sep 6, 2010
The only thing that's "staggering" is the gullibility of mindless humans who wish to believe that Gorebull Warming is a threat... Yes Master, we exist to serve thee!
Earthling

Valencia, Spain

#3 Sep 6, 2010
We're all doomed and there's no escape.
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BOO!!
albedodown

Pittsburgh, PA

#4 Sep 6, 2010
Northie wrote:
Bingo. And, because phytoplankton account for a third of the world's carbon absorption, this is still more bad news for the climate.
Ever notice how clear and blue warm, tropical seas are? That's because they are nearly dead compared to the green, organic soup of colder seas.
Deniers have been saying your 'cooking' critique was no good. This science paper says your 'cooking' concerns have been correct.

You are also correct about the barren clear tropical seas. Most of the undersea documentaries about the tropics, where large quantities of life are seen, are near surface corals where tropical nourishments are concentrated. The vast open oceans are barren.

Far into our Northwest Puget Sound, the waters are full of food for the fish & hard to see very far into our waters. Despite man's continuing pollution problems in our waters, at least, the fish & other undersea creatures have food.
Northie

Spokane, WA

#5 Sep 6, 2010
HTS wrote:
The only thing that's "staggering" is the gullibility of mindless humans who wish to believe that Gorebull Warming is a threat... Yes Master, we exist to serve thee!
Yet another self-serving science denier from Houston. Will wonders never cease?
skywatcher

Forest Lake, MN

#6 Sep 6, 2010
YES’ it’s our time to vanish just like the other ancient civilizations !!! just face it , WE WILL BE EXSTINXE BEFORE LONG !!! THIS PLANET WILL RID ITSELF OF US ALL !!! BOUT TIME.
Sky

Grand Rapids, MI

#7 Sep 6, 2010
HTS wrote:
The only thing that's "staggering" is the gullibility of mindless humans who wish to believe that Gorebull Warming is a threat... Yes Master, we exist to serve thee!
I've noticed that people with no argument to make resort to ridicule and name calling--usually right off the bat. Get out of that river in Egypt and get some real information.
litesong

Pittsburgh, PA

#8 Sep 6, 2010
Earthling wrote:
BOO!!
Just September. A ways till we get to halloween, tho dirtling is scary anytime. Will you trick or treat as earthling with no brain, as eart hling, an alien having no affinity to Earth, as 'injun killer', having no love for human beings....or as the filthy vile pukey proud racist pig dirty denier dirtling.
LessHypeMoreFact

Hamilton, Canada

#9 Sep 6, 2010
The threat to the oceans productivity are real and not just based on warming temperatures, though this can have a real effect on temperature sensitive fish ( most are).

The real problem comes from damages to 'fish nurseries' such as corals and changes in the trophic level of fishing. Oh, and fishing for species with very low replacement rates such as orange roughy.

We desperately need to put at least HALF of the 'coastal fishing zones' off limit to ALL fishing to give them a 'refuge', preferrablly a zone that included most 'fish nursery' locations such as mangrove swamps and coral reefs.

And 'fish farming' should be further regulated to completely isolate such industries from ALL open ocean fish.
Northie

Spokane, WA

#10 Sep 7, 2010
Fisheries are another matter, but the concern here is the weakening of the oceans' ability to absorb carbon.

Along with the decline of phytoplankton by warming water, acidifying water threatens zooplankton and corals, which are the chief natural means for capturing and sequestering carbon over the long haul.

Double your feedback, double your fun.
Greg

Sterling, VA

#11 Sep 7, 2010
Yes, Doomsday is nearing....
HTS

Deer Park, TX

#12 Sep 19, 2010
Sky wrote:
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I've noticed that people with no argument to make resort to ridicule and name calling--usually right off the bat. Get out of that river in Egypt and get some real information.
LOL! Sure, I expect scholarly dissertations on a Yahoo message board, also. Seriously, there is plenty of information out there disproving the claims of Global Warministas. I know you and your kind exist simply to prove that you're smarter and better than everyone else. And you feel this irresistible need to prove that you are doing something to "save the planet" from evil humanity. To your kind, death is success.
LessHypeMoreFact

Woodstock, Canada

#13 Sep 19, 2010
On a lighter note, the decline in arctic sea ice seems to be on a path to eclipse all but the 2007 anomalous low. The continuing decline in the 'baseline' makes average lows near the 'peaks' of yesteryears.

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/AM...

The late end to the melting season seems to be similar to 2004 which also ended near October, rather than in mid September and it is within a hair of the 2008 minimum now. A few more days should tell..
htsone

Deer Park, TX

#14 Sep 19, 2010
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
On a lighter note, the decline in arctic sea ice seems to be on a path to eclipse all but the 2007 anomalous low. The continuing decline in the 'baseline' makes average lows near the 'peaks' of yesteryears.
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/AM...
The late end to the melting season seems to be similar to 2004 which also ended near October, rather than in mid September and it is within a hair of the 2008 minimum now. A few more days should tell..
Must be because of the "Global Disruption" nee "Global Climate Change" nee "Global Warming" that our superiors are propagandizing to us nowadays. Yes, as a fine man once said, "There's a sucker born every minute"...
LessHypeMoreFact

Woodstock, Canada

#15 Sep 19, 2010
htsone wrote:
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Must be because of the "Global Disruption" nee "Global Climate Change" nee "Global Warming" that our superiors are propagandizing to us nowadays. Yes, as a fine man once said, "There's a sucker born every minute"...
Yes. I am certainly a 'sucker' for well documented facts such as the AMSRE report. Especially as it is supported by reams of other science data.

"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?" John Maynard Keynes
neighbour

Okotoks, Canada

#16 Sep 19, 2010
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?" John Maynard Keynes
Good quote, thanks.

When you talk to other people, it's obvious that all of them are mistaken about one thing or another.
That implies that you and I are, as well. I mean, I'm special but not that special :)
But what about those things we're sure of? Again, look at your friends and co-workers. The convictions they defend most vigorously are the ones LEAST likely to be right.

Again, that must be true for us, too, at least sometimes.

So we should be happy when someone proves us wrong. It makes us just a tiny bit less ignorant than we were before the discussion. And the more defensive we feel about it, the more valuable the correction is.

I think that attitude is the basis of real skepticism. It has to start with self-skepticism.
LessHypeMoreFact

Woodstock, Canada

#17 Sep 20, 2010
neighbour wrote:
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Good quote, thanks.
When you talk to other people, it's obvious that all of them are mistaken about one thing or another.
One gets used to talking to people that don't understand technical issues. It goes with 'critical thinking' skills that the average person doesn't develop. They accept what they are told by their 'peer group' as fact without ever examining it to see if it fits together. A result is the 'useful idiot' category that Stalin depended on..
neighbour wrote:
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That implies that you and I are, as well. I mean, I'm special but not that special :)
I think that you are mistaken. The 'silent majority' that either accept the scientists work or understand enough of it to validate it, tend to be less visible but they are there as evidenced by the steady progress against the 'forces of darkness' that refuse to adapt to new information. Sure, they slow everything down but as long as they don't dominate, the world can progress.
neighbour wrote:
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But what about those things we're sure of? Again, look at your friends and co-workers. The convictions they defend most vigorously are the ones LEAST likely to be right.
Certainly the fanatic is one person that CANNOT examine his fundamental logic. And some of the denialists are a big fanatical. BG, or GEEWIZ for example. VERY little intelligent thought and a LOT of rather rude and mindless posts. Then there are the 'contrarians' like Earthling that feel insignificant unless they are in a verbal sparring match with whomever they can irritate.
neighbour wrote:
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Again, that must be true for us, too, at least sometimes.
So we should be happy when someone proves us wrong.
Or even supplies the debate with enough good reasoning to make a change in position. I have, on several issues and dates, been corrected by posters that had a climatology background and who understood the issue better than I did. As a result, I understand the issue much better than I did at first. The amount of 'misleading' facts and false claims makes it a difficult subject.
neighbour wrote:
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It makes us just a tiny bit less ignorant than we were before the discussion. And the more defensive we feel about it, the more valuable the correction is.
I think that attitude is the basis of real skepticism. It has to start with self-skepticism.
Exactly. One has to be open minded, but not so open minded that the brains leak out.. ;-)
neighbour

Okotoks, Canada

#18 Sep 20, 2010
I didn't say that we're wrong about climate change. The professionals in that subject are overwhelmingly in agreement. My comments were meant as a more general observation-- everybody, not just people who lack critical thinking skills, but everybody -- is wrong about stuff. And many intelligent people are wrong about stuff that they are firmly convinced of.
So, again, the attitude of skepticism has to start with self-skepticism, looking for opportunities for your errors to be corrected.

The denialists on this site are like anyone else who's entrenched in an irrational belief. Just like with the drunk who wakes up in a puddle of vomit and still believes he's just a fun-loving guy. Evidence doesn't change a closed mind, it just makes it close harder.

I'm not saying that that kind of denial is normal. I'm saying that we all carry false beliefs, and people who resist correction are not skeptics in their outlook.
LessHypeMoreFact

Woodstock, Canada

#19 Sep 20, 2010
neighbour wrote:
I'm not saying that that kind of denial is normal. I'm saying that we all carry false beliefs, and people who resist correction are not skeptics in their outlook.
Skepticism is about having a basis for suspicion of the firm foundation of a scientific subject. Denial is not skepticism but a firm conviction UNSUPPORTED BY FACT that soemthing is or isn't real.

And sure. Everyone is wrong about something. As I said, I have been 'updated' on many issues of AGW. I have yet to see denialists such as BG, Gordo, Earthling, etc make the slightest effort to even debate their reasoning and without that 'testing of the truth' there is no chance of education.

The characteristic that defines denialists here is their very resistance to debate or dialogue.
Northie

Spokane, WA

#20 Sep 20, 2010
neighbour wrote:
I didn't say that we're wrong about climate change. The professionals in that subject are overwhelmingly in agreement. My comments were meant as a more general observation-- everybody, not just people who lack critical thinking skills, but everybody -- is wrong about stuff. And many intelligent people are wrong about stuff that they are firmly convinced of.
So, again, the attitude of skepticism has to start with self-skepticism, looking for opportunities for your errors to be corrected.
The denialists on this site are like anyone else who's entrenched in an irrational belief. Just like with the drunk who wakes up in a puddle of vomit and still believes he's just a fun-loving guy. Evidence doesn't change a closed mind, it just makes it close harder.
I'm not saying that that kind of denial is normal. I'm saying that we all carry false beliefs, and people who resist correction are not skeptics in their outlook.
Most of those who feel compelled to flagrantly deny all that science has to offer are, by definition, closed to reason. That is way beyond skepticism's mere doubt or hesitation; these people simply refuse to acknowledge mountains of evidence. Most are driven by a deeper political agenda; some, just simple selfish infatuation with cars and the like.

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