Russian river water unexpected culprit behind Arctic freshening, researchers find

Jan 5, 2012 Full story: Science Daily 43

Frigid freshwater flowing into the Arctic Ocean from three of Russia's mighty rivers was diverted hundreds of miles to a completely different part of the ocean in response to a decades-long shift in atmospheric pressure associated with the phenomenon called the Arctic Oscillation, according to findings published in the Jan.

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Fun Facts

Las Cruces, NM

#1 Jan 5, 2012
The AGWs aren't going to like this.

Another study correlating the Arctic Oscillation with ice cover over the arctic.

If you do not understand how these ocean oscillations impact climate you need to take some time and figure it out.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#2 Jan 5, 2012
Almost every day another study discovering something new and hitherto unknown to the world of climate science, but we're assured that 'the science is settled' and 97% of scientists agree that CO2 is the main cause of Glowbull warming.
Climate science is still in its infancy, yet to take its first baby steps and when that day arrives, the mystery that is climate science will begin to be unravelled.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#3 Jan 5, 2012
In the Eurasian Basin, the change means less freshwater enters the layer known as the cold halocline and could be contributing to declines in ice in that part of the Arctic, Morison said.
Key word is "contributing".

The rest is due to the rapidly warming temperatures in the Arctic.
Fun Facts

Las Cruces, NM

#4 Jan 5, 2012
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
Key word is "contributing".
The rest is due to the rapidly warming temperatures in the Arctic.
All climate is made up of 'contributing' factors and here's one more to be added to all of the others.

The oscillation itself is not impacted by the temps, it impacts the temps.

When in the negative phase, the vortex caused by the AO is weak and allows the very cold air to drop into the lower latitudes. This results in the warm air from the convection current that runs from the equator to the arctic to warm the arctic areas.

When the AO is positive, the vortex of wind is strong and holds the very cold air over the arctic.

What this study says is that the current phase has been in place for the last 20 years. How long has the arctic been losing ice mass?

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#5 Jan 5, 2012
Key word is "contributing".

And the Arctic ice has been in decline for 30 years.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#6 Jan 5, 2012
It could have been said that the Arctic was probably in decline around 1817, 1922 and on a few other occasions.
It's almost certain that more ice will melt before the next ice age begins, at which time, there will be plenty of good reasons to be an alarmist, especially when it really gets going.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#7 Jan 5, 2012
Hmmm, don't forget the MWP, I'm sure the Arctic was 'in decline' at that time too.
SpaceBlues

United States

#8 Jan 5, 2012
Fun Facts and Earthling don't have any science or mathematics background. Whatever they post in this forum is from their denier sources.

Imagine they are trying to discredit scientists or engineers who understand or research AGW. They don't succeed and will never.
SpaceBlues

United States

#9 Jan 5, 2012
Fun Facts wrote:
The AGWs aren't going to like this.
Another study correlating the Arctic Oscillation with ice cover over the arctic.
If you do not understand how these ocean oscillations impact climate you need to take some time and figure it out.
You don't know what you are talking about. Just because you refuse to learn about AGW does not make you a critic or authority.

You are clueless as usual.
SpaceBlues

United States

#10 Jan 5, 2012
The following is the essence of this piece:

Discerning the track of freshwater from Eurasian rivers would have been impossible without the ICESat and GRACE satellites, Kwok and Morison agree. With satellite measurements of ocean height and bottom pressures, the researchers could separate the changes in mass from changes in density -- or freshwater content -- of the water column.

"To me it's pretty spectacular that you have these satellites zipping around hundreds of kilometers above the Earth and they give us a number about salinity that's very close to what we get from lowering little sampling bottles into the ocean," Morison said.

That reminds me of:

Climate Change Seen from Space and Earth's Surface
litesong

Everett, WA

#12 Jan 5, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
Fun Facts and Earthling don't have any science or mathematics background.
Hey, SpaceBlues...... that's almost my line! Actually, my line & details are:

'fun farts' & 'piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling' don't have science or mathematics background.'piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling' doesn't have a hi skule deegree & has made errors of 500 million TIMES, 13 million TIMES & a 92% error on a subject he introduced.'piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling' is also a slimy filthy vile reprobate rooting racist pukey proud pig.
SpaceBlues

United States

#13 Jan 5, 2012
Hey, litesong .. right but yours is excellent!

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#14 Jan 6, 2012
SpaceDummy wrote:
Hey, litesong .. right but yours is excellent!
Your buddy litesout wants to know if you spit or swallow?
Fun Facts

Las Cruces, NM

#15 Jan 6, 2012
Just like I said, the AGWs aren't going to like this.
SpaceBlues

United States

#16 Jan 6, 2012
Fun Facts being without science does not understand how science progresses. That poster thinks certain climate events belong to deniers, for example. How weird is that!

Another matter is that with deeper understanding new climate events or renaming of the old will regularly be carried out by the scientists.

In the meantime, FF stuck at "I WILL NOT LEARN" will miss that AGW is REAL.

Poor poor FF!
Fun Facts

Las Cruces, NM

#17 Jan 6, 2012
Like I said, the AGWs aren't going to like this.

The Arctic Oscillation, read about it.
Fun Facts

Las Cruces, NM

#18 Jan 6, 2012
Fair Game wrote:
Key word is "contributing".
And the Arctic ice has been in decline for 30 years.
Here's a graph, take a look at the last 20 years.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGE...

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#19 Jan 6, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
Fun Facts being without science does not understand how science progresses. That poster thinks certain climate events belong to deniers, for example. How weird is that!
Another matter is that with deeper understanding new climate events or renaming of the old will regularly be carried out by the scientists.
In the meantime, FF stuck at "I WILL NOT LEARN" will miss that AGW is REAL.
Poor poor FF!
Meanwhile, litesout still wants to know if you spit or swallow and we all need to know the outcome of your dalliance with the "injun?"

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#20 Jan 6, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
Fun Facts and Earthling don't have any science or mathematics background. Whatever they post in this forum is from their denier sources.
Imagine they are trying to discredit scientists or engineers who understand or research AGW. They don't succeed and will never.
ANd many alarmist have even less of a science or mathmatics background than the skpetics do. In many cases I would be willing those who have a degree have degrees in the something like the arts.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#21 Jan 6, 2012
Thawing permafrost reduces river runoff

China's Yangtze River is receiving less water as climate warms.
http://www.nature.com/news/thawing-permafrost...

“the hydrology of the Tibetan plateau seems to be responding to a warming climate differently from the Arctic”. In central Alaska, for instance, permafrost degradation has resulted in the expansion of wetlands, whereas on the Tibetan plateau, it has caused the land to become drier and more prone to desertification.

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