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Climate data catches experts off guard - Hawaii News

There are 139 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Jul 27, 2009, titled Climate data catches experts off guard - Hawaii News. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

A team of scientists led by a University of Hawaii oceanographer had a big surprise when they looked to the ancient past for clues to global warming.

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Bryan

Craigsville, VA

#1 Jul 27, 2009
There was no industrialization THEN, so where did the carbon come from? Volcanos possibly? They emit billions of metric tons of pollutants into the atmosphere NATURALLY. if that caused the rapid warming why are we blaming carbon today, seeing that it makes up less than 2% of our atmosphere. What followed this rapid warming, cooling, warming, cooling, warming... All without mass human involvement. The Earth is reportedly less volcanically active today. So if the scientific data suggests our current views are wrong why don't we rethink them? One more example of politics triumphing over and manipulating scientific interpretation.
AlGored

Troy, MI

#2 Jul 27, 2009
Don't worry-The Demoncraps and I will save the world.
Granola Eater

Kaneohe, HI

#3 Jul 27, 2009
See, only the selfish, self-centered, self-ordained and various sundry variety "experts" on Global Warming, would be egotistical enough to solely place the entire blame for such phenomena on humans, solely.

I saw this PBS special about this guy who can predict weather up to one year or more in advance, simply based on his observation of the sun, it's spots, flares, and that sort of thing.

Now, this guy was saying that global warning has little to do with us humans, more than it has to do with what the sun was up to.

Despite that, the "It is my responsibility to save Mother Earth" folks guised as experts in Global warming, still think they can change the course of events in God's Universe, and our Planet Earth, by telling us to hug trees, eat granola, fund Mufi's rail job and other superficial displays of "caring for the aina" so popular today in the hip-hop, fast-food culture masked by a shallow display of pretending to be spiritual.

We are only star dust in God's Universe and merely grains of sand in His plan.
Bernard

Lawrenceville, GA

#4 Jul 27, 2009
I have a model. The model predicts furious and frequent hurricanes.

The next year there are few. The year after there are few.

How do I explain this?

Could it be my model is wrong and I do not really know what I am talking about? No, it can't be.
OnlyParadise

Pearl City, HI

#5 Jul 27, 2009
more CO2 then more trees
more trees then more oxygen

yeah

we need more trees and oxygen naturally

go global climate
for a better tomorrow

if you believe Al gore and pay him to lie to you
then be a sheep
vote democrap
willie

Plymouth, MI

#6 Jul 27, 2009
Here is something to ponder. Since the burning of fossil fuels releases carbon, where did all that carbon come from? It came from the trees in prehistoric times that ended up storing up ALL the carbon in the air at the time...in other words, the air has had as much carbon in it as today (or more) and golly, somehow mother nature dealt with it....with out man interfering. Want to help "global warming" end 3rd world countries using trees for heat or cooking fuel, they are burning up the lungs of the world and NO amount we try to cut back on CO2 is going to help if they keep doing that.
StateTaxPayer

AOL

#7 Jul 27, 2009
This is the twilight of the human specie. RIP
Terry

Roseville, CA

#8 Jul 27, 2009
Guess the science isn't settled after all and there isn't a concensus.
kaimuki

Kapolei, HI

#9 Jul 27, 2009
This is nothing more than left-wing propaganda. What the hell has happened to my party, the "real" Democratic Party. Before the House passed the Cap and Trade legislation, over 30,000 scientists presented their findings to them that global warming does not exist. Congress ignored them, and only believed the scientists who were hired guns by the U.S. government. The righties need their wars, and the lefties need their phony enviromental disasters. WTH?
Waimea Cowboy

Honokaa, HI

#10 Jul 27, 2009
Well, duh!

The folks calling themselves experts in the Global Warming movement are actually useful idiots to those manipulating a gullible public into thinking that mankind is the reason for the season. Al Gore's Great Hoax is coming to an end as more and more real scientists look at the real data and find the Global Warming Theory to be nothing more than propaganda.

Imua!
juan

San Francisco, CA

#11 Jul 27, 2009
So, the facts contradict the hypothesis, but the "objective scientist" is not to be swayed: he "KNOWS" his hypothesis (that temp warming is solely and mainly caused by human CO2) is correct, even if this study inconveniently goes against it..
These are the scientists who push the new religion, and who are ANTI-SCIENCE

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#12 Jul 27, 2009
Those damned dinosaurs. It was them i say!!! They were emitting too much methane! This then increased the temperature and severely messed with their food chain!

Whether or not global warming is man-made, there are massive amounts of investment money flowing to the right places: research and development of newer, cleaner technologies. It would be a wonderful thing if the US would develop technology enough so that they would not have to rely of foreign fossil fuels. This means less wars and conflicts because of our interests in them (that is until we start importing out water because of the water crisis).

Anyway, the theory of global warming is $$$$$. Lots of hard, fri g i n $$$$$. And i don't mean this in a bad way. We have many technologies that bled down to regular consumers from development in the moon missions. And seriously? Who cares about going to that dead rock? I'm sure it was fun, but the developments that came because of it, outweigh any supposed worthlessness. that's why the theory of global warming is $$$$$$. Solar cells, tubines, Green Green Green!! all for the Green!!! Soon you'll see electric cars which get over 100 mpgE. We already see more efficient electronics, appliances, and housing.$$$$$$$$ and what's next?$$$$$$ truckloads.

“Your Own Peace Prize Inside”

Since: Mar 07

Hyannis, Mass

#13 Jul 27, 2009
Here we go again....
So "something" other than CO2 was the main cause for the previous condition, well before man had any influence on the "climate".
The politically correct statement is then, "but we know that there will be more carbon"... sure there will... mother nature does a pretty good job of putting it into the system.
Man's contribution is insignificant when compared to what nature does all by itself.
Earthling

Almerķa, Spain

#14 Jul 27, 2009
Bryan wrote:
if that caused the rapid warming why are we blaming carbon today, seeing that it makes up less than 2% of our atmosphere.
A lot less than 2%, try 0.04% and you'll be much closer.
ALAN

AOL

#15 Jul 27, 2009
Do volcanic gases and volcanic clouds help cause the problem? Or what about sun spots? What about massive pollution from huge cites like Mexico City, Jakarta, Shanghai, Mumbai, Cairo..does this contribute to the problem?
AlGore

United States

#16 Jul 27, 2009
"95% water vapour" Global warming debunked by New Zealand Meteorologist

http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/main/ArticlesM...

"We're not saying carbon dioxide is not important," he emphasized. "It is very important. Current and future warming is almost entirely due to carbon emissions. There is no doubt about this."

When this scientist genuflects to show fealty to the Church of AlGore we must read between the lines knowing such pro-forma statements are necessary to avoid excommunication and the loss of research grants which would come with it.

One cannot be a scientist and say "About this there is no doubt." As any child knows in science there is ALWAYS doubt.
Jerry Okamura

Lihue, HI

#17 Jul 27, 2009
Let me suggest it is not a question of whether the event will happen, it is a question of what are we going to do about it, can we stop the event from happening? Do we know what has to happen to prevent the event from happening? Do we know what the ultimate sacrifices that we need to make to prevent the event from happening? Are we willing to make these sacrifies? Can you achieve the goal without making significant sacrifices?
Northie

Spokane, WA

#18 Jul 27, 2009
Bryan wrote:
There was no industrialization THEN, so where did the carbon come from? Volcanos possibly? They emit billions of metric tons of pollutants into the atmosphere NATURALLY. if that caused the rapid warming why are we blaming carbon today, seeing that it makes up less than 2% of our atmosphere. What followed this rapid warming, cooling, warming, cooling, warming... All without mass human involvement. The Earth is reportedly less volcanically active today. So if the scientific data suggests our current views are wrong why don't we rethink them? One more example of politics triumphing over and manipulating scientific interpretation.
Yes, flood basalt volcanoes apparently provided the CO2 trigger for the PETM warming, along with several other major global warmings before. However, now WE are providing the CO2 trigger--and that will eventually release enough methane to take the warming well beyond our control. A runaway cycle.

However, we do not yet know exactly how much methane release is required to throw that cycle into overdrive. That is the problem. Would that be 3 degrees C above present temps? 5 degrees C? We simply do not know. But we had better play it safe, because these runaway warmings in the past repeatedly killed most life on Earth.

http://www.ted.com/talks/peter_ward_on_mass_e...
Earthling

Almerķa, Spain

#19 Jul 27, 2009
There is no doubt that carbon emissions play a part in warming, but without them, we wouldn't be at the semi advanced stage we are now.
I'm all for going backwards in time, but please wait until I'm gone, it won't be long.
Another Hawaii Fiasco

Ewa Beach, HI

#20 Jul 27, 2009
Mufi Railway Route will be a Fiasco and WASTE of Tax-Payer money!

The Honolulu Rail Route will be in SWAMPS or UNDER WATER in just DECADES according to the latest Science Data.

Doesn't matter if Rising Seas are caused by Mankind or not, it's still underway.

EPA and FTA must take into account what UH and US Scientists PREDICT will happen...

The "Tipping Point" for Sea Level Rise for Honolulu is already underway and lands where the $6 Billion Rail will be built will be swamps or flooded in the coming decades.

GlobalChange.Gov recommends that infrastructure planning take into account rising sea levels and realign major public/private projects.

The Honolulu Rail Route will be UNDER WATER-

http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/coasts/sealevel/B...

The RAIL ROUTE will see advance of the ocean inland.

http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/coasts/sealevel/w...

In the Mapunapuna area, baby hammerhead sharks swim in 2 foot deep pools- land is sinking and inland sea flooding storm drains.

Waikiki will see this in just a matter of decades!

http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/coasts/sealevel/S...

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