Good news, bad news for Delta fish

Good news, bad news for Delta fish

There are 13 comments on the Daily Democrat story from Jan 1, 2011, titled Good news, bad news for Delta fish. In it, Daily Democrat reports that:

Delta fish continued to languish at depressed levels in 2010, according to the latest numbers from the state Department of Fish and Game.

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James

Sacramento, CA

#1 Jan 1, 2011
"The decline set off calls for new restrictions on Delta water pumping, which increased about the same time the fish populations dropped."

That's the bottom line. More water = more fish.
Also, the Sac treatment plant is dumping 14 tons of ammonia into the river PER DAY. Stop polluting the delta Sac!
Aldo1887

Colfax, CA

#2 Jan 1, 2011
So giant Agri-business and Southern California's unsustainable growth continue to kill the entire Delta ecosystem and all of the fish in it, this study shows proof of that (the parts that the analysts are not "redoing") yet we are still going ahead with the plan to siphon more water off the Delta and now build tunnels under it? The entire Delta is going to have to fully go away before these rapists look for a new victim. Way to go California...
GOP hair test agenda

Santa Cruz, CA

#3 Jan 1, 2011
quit whining n make a baby-and how dare we eat well(guilt trip ads) while others kids starve-so sponser one of my 18 kids I spit out n dump on the street-
Middle of the road

Rancho Cordova, CA

#4 Jan 1, 2011
My gawd, IT'S THE FORNICATING STRIPED BASS THAT ARE THE MAIN PROBLEM! Them and the other non -native species like large and small mouth bass.
James

Sacramento, CA

#5 Jan 1, 2011
Middle of the road wrote:
My gawd, IT'S THE FORNICATING STRIPED BASS THAT ARE THE MAIN PROBLEM! Them and the other non -native species like large and small mouth bass.
Unfortunately, the facts don't support your theory. Stripers are at all time low numbers right now due to the condtion of the delta. The over-pumping and pollution are turning the delta into a cess pool.
Middle of the road

Rancho Cordova, CA

#6 Jan 2, 2011
James wrote:
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Unfortunately, the facts don't support your theory. Stripers are at all time low numbers right now due to the condtion of the delta. The over-pumping and pollution are turning the delta into a cess pool.
The striper population is cyclical and after a few years of salmon on the down cycle, the stripers follow suit.

Two years ago DFG did a study on Steelhead at the bidding of CA Department of Water Resources and the conclusion was that it’s the non -native species that were having the greatest impact and not the pumps or Ammonia.

A much greater impact is the loss of spawning habitat.

And answer us this: Ammonia discharges three years ago by Sacramento were basically the same volume as today so why didn’t all these three -year -olds die on their way to the ocean then?

And another question: I’m constantly reading about the “Coho” and “Chinook” being caught in lakes like Oroville and Folsom to name a few. Well if the number of spawners is at historic lows, where are those “Coho” and “Chinook” coming from? Shouldn’t they be released back into the system so they could spawn?
James

Sunnyvale, CA

#7 Jan 3, 2011
Middle of the road wrote:
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The striper population is cyclical and after a few years of salmon on the down cycle, the stripers follow suit.
Two years ago DFG did a study on Steelhead at the bidding of CA Department of Water Resources and the conclusion was that it’s the non -native species that were having the greatest impact and not the pumps or Ammonia.
A much greater impact is the loss of spawning habitat.
And answer us this: Ammonia discharges three years ago by Sacramento were basically the same volume as today so why didn’t all these three -year -olds die on their way to the ocean then?
And another question: I’m constantly reading about the “Coho” and “Chinook” being caught in lakes like Oroville and Folsom to name a few. Well if the number of spawners is at historic lows, where are those “Coho” and “Chinook” coming from? Shouldn’t they be released back into the system so they could spawn?
1) Nearly all delta fish are on the decline, not just stripers. Predators have an impact but we've had record numbers of both salmon and stripers at the same time in the past- when the delta was more healthy.
2) The loss of spawning grounds is a huge factor but that issue hasn't changed over the last 3 years. The increase in delta pumping (during low water years) is the big thing that changed recently.
3) During low water years, the concentration of ammonia rises and causes more damage.
4) The coho salmon for Oroville come from hatcheries up North and are hybrids that can't spawn naturally. It is strictly a put and take fishery... I don't know where the Folsom king salmon come from but they likely come from another state as well.
There is a war against hatchery salmon going on currently (that I believe is wrong-headed) which is limiting the number of fish that are released.
Middle of the road

Rancho Cordova, CA

#8 Jan 3, 2011
James wrote:
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1) Nearly all delta fish are on the decline, not just stripers. Predators have an impact but we've had record numbers of both salmon and stripers at the same time in the past- when the delta was more healthy.
2) The loss of spawning grounds is a huge factor but that issue hasn't changed over the last 3 years. The increase in delta pumping (during low water years) is the big thing that changed recently.
3) During low water years, the concentration of ammonia rises and causes more damage.
4) The coho salmon for Oroville come from hatcheries up North and are hybrids that can't spawn naturally. It is strictly a put and take fishery... I don't know where the Folsom king salmon come from but they likely come from another state as well.
There is a war against hatchery salmon going on currently (that I believe is wrong-headed) which is limiting the number of fish that are released.
Where do you get your information about the Oroville Coho? Whenever I ask DFG all I get is the run -a -round.
James

Sunnyvale, CA

#9 Jan 4, 2011
Middle of the road wrote:
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Where do you get your information about the Oroville Coho? Whenever I ask DFG all I get is the run -a -round.
I ask a lot questions whenever I'm around the DFG, hatchery workers and I attend local meetings by NOAA/NMFS when they come up.
Middle of the road

Rancho Cordova, CA

#10 Jan 4, 2011
James wrote:
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I ask a lot questions whenever I'm around the DFG, hatchery workers and I attend local meetings by NOAA/NMFS when they come up.
I too ask questions butt like I say, no solid information. Just a typical runaround or at the best, hearsay. I was hoping you could provide a link/source.

Two of my youngest sons best friends are DFG Wardens and when I ask them even they clam up.

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#11 May 5, 2011
Middle of the road wrote:
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I too ask questions butt like I say, no solid information. Just a typical runaround or at the best, hearsay. I was hoping you could provide a link/source.
Two of my youngest sons best friends are DFG Wardens and when I ask them even they clam up.
Hey road toad…….Thanks for helping me keep this post in front of as many people as possible.
It is great for a laugh…….
You should read the personal messages that people are sending……………
They really can’t believe that you could be so dumb………..LOL

What are you afraid of??

http://www.topix.com/forum/state/ca/T3VS9F3MO...

Post 71

For many years I worked as a government employee who earned significantly less than contractors working on the same job. The harassment was very intense and hurtful at times.

Do you know how demoralizing it is to be told by management to assist in every means possible a consultant who makes twice what you make? Get that? Politicians hire top dollar consultants and then direct low paid rank and file state employees to do the work the consultant is being paid to do.

Makes you just love those republican bosses!

Yet even with my less than prevailing wages I shopped and supported union businesses. I wouldn’t shop at wally -mart or target. I’d rather pay a little more for American made than for chi -com crap.

And as there is less and less union made items on the shelves it’s becoming impossible to support American labor so I to will now spend a significant amount of my CALPERS and Social Security on out -of -state/country items/services.

I’m buying a new travel trailer and it’s coming from out of state because I couldn’t see buying something from my California neighbors who want to screw me out of my retirement.

Oh and the moron with the link to the poll, my wife took a 14% cut in wages, pays more into her PERS and contributes more to her medical benefits.

Then in post # 99 I posted this and you said you would answer the question after I answered your question and that I have done many times including on the thread I started just for you
Why won’t you answer the question??
What are you afraid of??

Was it floored in California??
Was it prepped in California?
Was it sold in California?
Was it registered in California?
Did a dealer in California make money and pay income tax on it?
Did someone wash it each week that it sat on a lot in California and have a job and pay taxes?
Was it ever run in a TV, Newspaper or radio ad in California and did the advertiser pay taxes on any of that money?

Why are you so afraid to answer the questions that you said you would after I answered yours????
Middle of the road

Rancho Cordova, CA

#13 Jun 4, 2011
Here Is One wrote:
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Hey road toad…….Thanks for helping me keep this post in front of as many people as possible.
It is great for a laugh…….
You should read the personal messages that people are sending……………
They really can’t believe that you could be so dumb………..LOL
What are you afraid of??
http://www.topix.com/forum/state/ca/T3VS9F3MO...
Post 71
For many years I worked as a government employee who earned significantly less than contractors working on the same job. The harassment was very intense and hurtful at times.
Do you know how demoralizing it is to be told by management to assist in every means possible a consultant who makes twice what you make? Get that? Politicians hire top dollar consultants and then direct low paid rank and file state employees to do the work the consultant is being paid to do.
Makes you just love those republican bosses!
Yet even with my less than prevailing wages I shopped and supported union businesses. I wouldn’t shop at wally -mart or target. I’d rather pay a little more for American made than for chi -com crap.
And as there is less and less union made items on the shelves it’s becoming impossible to support American labor so I to will now spend a significant amount of my CALPERS and Social Security on out -of -state/country items/services.
I’m buying a new travel trailer and it’s coming from out of state because I couldn’t see buying something from my California neighbors who want to screw me out of my retirement.
Oh and the moron with the link to the poll, my wife took a 14% cut in wages, pays more into her PERS and contributes more to her medical benefits.
Then in post # 99 I posted this and you said you would answer the question after I answered your question and that I have done many times including on the thread I started just for you
Why won’t you answer the question??
What are you afraid of??
Was it floored in California??
Was it prepped in California?
Was it sold in California?
Was it registered in California?
Did a dealer in California make money and pay income tax on it?
Did someone wash it each week that it sat on a lot in California and have a job and pay taxes?
Was it ever run in a TV, Newspaper or radio ad in California and did the advertiser pay taxes on any of that money?
Why are you so afraid to answer the questions that you said you would after I answered yours????
Damn that new trailer is nice! And all applicable taxes were paid. That's right, all applicable Caulifornia state and local taxes were paid. And with all the money I saved I'll be able to invest overseas like you did butt unlike you, I'll be paying American taxes on my foreign earnings because I'm not a traitor like you.

How's that call center business you started in Asia doing? You know, the one that puts Americans out of work and that you don't pay any American taxes on because to left the country.

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#15 Nov 16, 2011
Middle of the road wrote:
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Damn that new trailer is nice! And all applicable taxes were paid. That's right, all applicable Caulifornia state and local taxes were paid. And with all the money I saved I'll be able to invest overseas like you did butt unlike you, I'll be paying American taxes on my foreign earnings because I'm not a traitor like you.
How's that call center business you started in Asia doing? You know, the one that puts Americans out of work and that you don't pay any American taxes on because to left the country.
Still can't show us when or where you answered even one of the questions you agreed to answer........LOL

The call center is here in Vallarta and staffed by Americans......LOL

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