Pay for view - News

Pay for view - News

There are 77 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Apr 14, 2009, titled Pay for view - News. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

What: Town hall informational meeting on a planned shark-encounter tour operation to launch three miles off Maunalua Bay Why: Area representatives and community groups will address public safety, operating procedures and impact on marine life.

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feet in the water

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#62 Apr 14, 2009
more like jimmy wrote:
As a former captain of the north shore shark boat I am positive the sharks dont follow the boat.The boat does about 22 knots and sharks are lazy and look for easy food sources. They are scavengers of the ocean. The boat goes to a mooring daily and doesnt cheat and go closer to the beach on rough days. The sharks are at the mooring waiting to be fed. Galapagoes and sandbars are common. Tigers come around occasionally and arent fed . It takes cajones to start a shark business in hawaii with all the know it alls squawking. 99% of the protesters have no idea what its all about and hardly go in the water to begin with. There has been countless days of swimming OUTSIDE OF the cage with 30 plus sharks and never any incidents.Galapagos and sandbars arent maneaters. If the peOple who complain, actually went on the tour they might learn something. Open your eyes people. When someone sees a shark near the beach and they call the news it makes me laugh. Afterall sharks do live in the ocean. Use common sense and stay out of murky water and runoff after the rain and your chances are pretty damn good.ALOHA
Dispite what you said (wrongly) what kind of moroons will want to be locked in a cage and look at sharks eating dead fish or putrid meat? Is this something to brag about? There are no real reasons for this kind of business to exist. It thrills few and damages many.
Kim Holland

Kaneohe, HI

#63 Apr 14, 2009
Well, this just reinforces why I tell my students not to talk to newspaper reporters! I did not say that I supported this shark tour operation. What I did say was that I support the general concept of creating economic wealth from non-extractive uses of the ocean. In fact, I specifically told the reporter that what we found from our current study could not be extrapolated to other sites (this part was reported in the last sentence of the article in the Star Bulletin).

Each site has its own characteristics but, in general terms, there is no a priori reason why these types of operation cause increased risk to nearshore ocean users. But, it comes down to the details - the specific site, the specific behavior of the tour operators, etc. The types of shark found three miles offshore of Haleiwa are generally not tiger sharks (which are responsible for almost all attacks in Hawaii) and the shark present at the Haleiwa offshore site (mostly Galapagos sharks) almost never go close to shore. Also, there is absolutely no evidence that sharks at offshore sites can somehow follow the tour vessel into shore or into specific harbors. It should also be remembered that tiger sharks and other shark species are already present close to shore in Moanalua Bay and other all other parts of our coastline.
Dman

Koloa, HI

#64 Apr 14, 2009
anyone who has surfed portlock or other surf spots in the area don't want people feeding sharks for money. The state should BAN all these shark tours, give me a break, you want to see a shark go swim with no cage!
Spanglish

Anaheim, CA

#65 Apr 14, 2009
Hana kokolele. I goin' tell PETA on you!
feet in the water

AOL

#66 Apr 14, 2009
Well, game over. The owners saw the writing on the wall and withdrew his application. My hat off to
him and...good riddance.
Greg Brown

Tsuen Wan, Hong Kong

#67 Apr 14, 2009
you go to the money dude, North Shore operators have a semi monopoly, don't want no south shore fellas having the same chance. No South shore, i suggest, no North Shore shark viewing. Sounds like same to me bro.
BIG BUSINESS

Princeville, HI

#68 Apr 15, 2009
There is some BIG BUCKS for shark tours!

If you want to make money do shark tours!
BIG BUSINESS

Princeville, HI

#69 Apr 15, 2009
Greg Brown wrote:
you go to the money dude, North Shore operators have a semi monopoly, don't want no south shore fellas having the same chance. No South shore, i suggest, no North Shore shark viewing. Sounds like same to me bro.
Someone has some very good connections!

or our officials dont back the north shore people like they do out eastside!
Westsideray

Aiea, HI

#70 Apr 15, 2009
Where's the Sierra Club to stop this shark harrasment? It's like feeding the birds in the park. They need a EIS.
Bruce

United States

#71 Apr 15, 2009
There you have if from the experts. Mostly Galapagos, they don't come close to shore, don't follow boats, no more attacks since operators began, very sad to see that people react without information. I know the guy, a very up and up person yet people attack him and call him names with no idea who he is or what he stands for. Very sad. All he really wants to do is feed his family. All of you that write about surfing, paddling, diving and other water activities, are never three miles off-shore and have no business being there period. Only the two Molokai 6 man races could present a problem. I'm sure Iolani would stop his operation for a week before to protect the paddlers. Then again if it's Galapagos they simply won't bother.
If the shark operators moored a buoy and it's three miles out then they go there, it can't move. If they are ever caught off site, they should be history.

For the people on the North Shore, are there really more attacks? Do you think
spotting(s) could be related to more turtles? Isn't that what they really want to eat? I believe there are simply more sharks. Seems like many more attacks lately on the Waianae coast. Where there are no shark dive operators.
Whether we like it or not, any time you are in the water in Hawaii there is a huge tiger shark within a mile or two, and they have been there forever. Even when they know there is a shark operator's dive site close by they hardly ever go. Just remember, if tigers wanted to eat humans, they would .........every day.
slothman

Newport, OR

#72 Apr 15, 2009
from my experience, galop and sandbar sharks run from scuba divers (too noisy) and usually free divers. For several years on longline and lobster boats I noted that sharks are attracted but cant keep up, they dont follow the boats. The problem sharks are already there, the assumption that feeding leads to more attacks is unfounded. Its seems like whenever you read about a shark attack almost everyone says I was in the ocean so im part of the food chain. Now its shifting to Im blaming the shark tours if theres an attack? tourists will pay to see these amazing critters, i would too if it wasnt so costly.
Rocky

Honolulu, HI

#73 Apr 15, 2009
Dman wrote:
Great post. Feeding sharks for money sounds like a 3rd world country, oh thats right we are a 3rd world country.
<quoted text>
3rd world country? How about 4th world!!

Since: Feb 09

Honolulu, HI

#74 Apr 15, 2009
more like jimmy wrote:
As a former captain of the north shore shark boat I am positive the sharks dont follow the boat.The boat does about 22 knots and sharks are lazy and look for easy food sources. They are scavengers of the ocean. The boat goes to a mooring daily and doesnt cheat and go closer to the beach on rough days. The sharks are at the mooring waiting to be fed. Galapagoes and sandbars are common. Tigers come around occasionally and arent fed . It takes cajones to start a shark business in hawaii with all the know it alls squawking. 99% of the protesters have no idea what its all about and hardly go in the water to begin with. There has been countless days of swimming OUTSIDE OF the cage with 30 plus sharks and never any incidents.Galapagos and sandbars arent maneaters. If the peOple who complain, actually went on the tour they might learn something. Open your eyes people. When someone sees a shark near the beach and they call the news it makes me laugh. Afterall sharks do live in the ocean. Use common sense and stay out of murky water and runoff after the rain and your chances are pretty damn good.ALOHA
Isn't the "Jimmy" you're referring to the guy that got killed thrill seeking? Looks like the shark attacks that did happen on Oahu's North Shore, Kauai and Maui are just a coincidence huh? Or the sharks that follow the boats in to Kewalo Basin, Wianae boat harbor, etc., are the minority huh? To present the notion that sharks do not attack people is simply inaccurate and ludicrous. While you are correct that shark attacks are rare "in Hawaii," this does not mean that feeding them offshore does not increase the possibility of an attack; they do happen. Research the Florida cases and the subsequent shark feeding ban. Swim with sharks enough, it will happen. We all know what can happen when you tempt fate.

Since: Feb 09

Honolulu, HI

#75 Apr 15, 2009
Kim Holland wrote:
Well, this just reinforces why I tell my students not to talk to newspaper reporters! I did not say that I supported this shark tour operation. What I did say was that I support the general concept of creating economic wealth from non-extractive uses of the ocean. In fact, I specifically told the reporter that what we found from our current study could not be extrapolated to other sites (this part was reported in the last sentence of the article in the Star Bulletin).
Each site has its own characteristics but, in general terms, there is no a priori reason why these types of operation cause increased risk to nearshore ocean users. But, it comes down to the details - the specific site, the specific behavior of the tour operators, etc. The types of shark found three miles offshore of Haleiwa are generally not tiger sharks (which are responsible for almost all attacks in Hawaii) and the shark present at the Haleiwa offshore site (mostly Galapagos sharks) almost never go close to shore. Also, there is absolutely no evidence that sharks at offshore sites can somehow follow the tour vessel into shore or into specific harbors. It should also be remembered that tiger sharks and other shark species are already present close to shore in Moanalua Bay and other all other parts of our coastline.
I am interested in learning what you are basing your claims on:

1. How did you determine what types of sharks are found where? That'a s big ocean and sharks move from place to place up and down the Hawaiian island chain. How did you deduce this conclusion?

2. You know that there is a 10-12 foot Galagpogos shark that seems to always be present just offshore in Waikiki and Diamond Head right? And that there are large sharks that come into the shallow reefs at Ala Moana, correct? Same with the North Shore beaches, right. And that a Great White shark was seen jumping out of the water while catching a porpise from a school just offshore at Waimea, correct? And that it is common knowledge for sharks to follow fishing boats in harbors, correct? Divers, fishermen and boaters all see it.

I am curious how you came to these conclusions you present.

Since: Feb 09

Honolulu, HI

#76 Apr 15, 2009
Dman wrote:
anyone who has surfed portlock or other surf spots in the area don't want people feeding sharks for money. The state should BAN all these shark tours, give me a break, you want to see a shark go swim with no cage!
You're right. All it boils down to is money. It is hard if not impossible making it as a fish tour operator. It all comes down to cash. People will say anything, deny the dangers and possiblities, just to make a buck. No respect to the local community. At least Florida took action albeit after the fact. Shark attacks decreased as a result of the measure.

Since: Feb 09

Honolulu, HI

#77 Apr 15, 2009
Bruce wrote:
There you have if from the experts. Mostly Galapagos, they don't come close to shore, don't follow boats, no more attacks since operators began, very sad to see that people react without information. I know the guy, a very up and up person yet people attack him and call him names with no idea who he is or what he stands for. Very sad. All he really wants to do is feed his family. All of you that write about surfing, paddling, diving and other water activities, are never three miles off-shore and have no business being there period. Only the two Molokai 6 man races could present a problem. I'm sure Iolani would stop his operation for a week before to protect the paddlers. Then again if it's Galapagos they simply won't bother.
If the shark operators moored a buoy and it's three miles out then they go there, it can't move. If they are ever caught off site, they should be history.
For the people on the North Shore, are there really more attacks? Do you think
spotting(s) could be related to more turtles? Isn't that what they really want to eat? I believe there are simply more sharks. Seems like many more attacks lately on the Waianae coast. Where there are no shark dive operators.
Whether we like it or not, any time you are in the water in Hawaii there is a huge tiger shark within a mile or two, and they have been there forever. Even when they know there is a shark operator's dive site close by they hardly ever go. Just remember, if tigers wanted to eat humans, they would .........every day.
Bruce: The case in point is that sharks do attack. Why increase the possibility. Seems selfish to me.
concerned

Honolulu, HI

#78 Apr 15, 2009
Dear Copius231

I have enjoyed your rhetoric and calm input on this situation. Keep up the good work

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