High Arctic warming surpasses Viking era, study shows

Sep 27, 2012 Read more: Reuters 47

Temperatures high in the Norwegian Arctic are above those in a natural warm period in Viking times, underscoring a thaw opening the region to everything from oil exploration to shipping, scientists said on Thursday.

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LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#1 Sep 27, 2012
http://www.topix.com/news/global-warming/2012...

There is no evidence of a 'warm period' in Greenland during the Viking Settlement. This mythology has gotten to be almost a sacred cow, yet anyone that looks at the actual records (tree rings for example) such as the number of ships lost to sea ice etc will find NO support for it.

But yes, given that Greenland is NOW warmer than the 'prior norm' is pretty much a given, with almost 1C of warming overall and much higher levels in the higher latitudes.

And of course, while Greelands Ice Sheets did not melt in the 'mythological' settlement warming, they are certainly reacting quite vigorously to the REAL warming from AGW.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#2 Sep 28, 2012
LessFactMoreHype wrote:
Western Europe was. But there is NO good evidence that Greenland was warmer. Note that the vikings were ADAPTED to 'nordic temperatures' and wouldn't know how to live in a melting Greenland.
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/greenland/TC...

Fossil DNA Proves Greenland Once Had Lush Forests; Ice Sheet Is Surprisingly Stable
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/...
PHD

Houston, TX

#3 Sep 28, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Fossil DNA Proves Greenland Once Had Lush Forests; Ice Sheet Is Surprisingly Stable
And modern DNA on you proved that your doomed to carry on your useless babble tainted with hate covered with spam cut and paste hot air.
Fun Facts

Las Cruces, NM

#4 Sep 28, 2012
From the article:

"The data also indicated that the Medieval warming was not uniform across the northern Hemisphere. Studies in Greenland and parts of North America show temperatures were warmer from 950 to 1250 than today."

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#5 Sep 28, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/greenland/TC...
Fossil DNA Proves Greenland Once Had Lush Forests; Ice Sheet Is Surprisingly Stable
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/...
No Vikings 450,000 years ago.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#6 Sep 28, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/greenland/TC...
Fossil DNA Proves Greenland Once Had Lush Forests;
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It certainly did but that was MANY millions of years ago. Irrelevant to discussion of AGW or even Ice Ages.
Earthling-1 wrote:
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Ice Sheet Is Surprisingly Stable
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/...
Not surprising to most sceintists (not the bullshit monger you frequent). However, being stable does NOT mean being invulnerable to change. The ONLY question is how FAST the decline will happen and that is depending on MANY unknowns. The factors we DO know are ALL related to an UNCHANGING climate so what happens when as the climate change is terra incognita and NOT related to the article.

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Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#7 Sep 28, 2012
It's obvious that Topix alarmists would like nothing more than to know that Glowbull warming is irreversible and that the human race is doomed.
In many ways, I could easily agree, especially after spending time here amongst the (addled) cream of american society, not to mention the Toronto and Mexico based variety.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#8 Sep 28, 2012
FuGyou wrote:
No Vikings 450,000 years ago.
Wow, you're good, very good.

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Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#9 Sep 28, 2012
NobodyYouEverWantToKnow, aka:
LessFactMoreHype wrote:
It certainly did but that was MANY millions of years ago. Irrelevant to discussion of AGW or even Ice Ages.
Don't exaggerate, try "close to half a million years" ago, Mr Undoubtably Spelt Fourty.
PHD

Houston, TX

#10 Sep 28, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>Wow, you're good, very good.
Why thank you.Not a hard task to define you the commander of useless babble and so on.
Fun Facts

Las Cruces, NM

#11 Sep 29, 2012
450,000 years ago we were in the same ice age as we are now. 450,000 years ago we were in a glacial period. Must have been some really sturdy butterflies to thrive in the glacial period.

It's a proxy study, dating of such studies is not exact. As much as we would like to think that we have all the knowledge that is needed, butterflies in a glacial period in greenland, kinda sets us back on our heels and we have to look again.

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Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#14 Sep 30, 2012
the real DUD FIVERS wrote:
exactly what we were saying, there WAS a Warm period, Greenland had ice free ports, but last year YOU were denying all this.
You're confusing Fun Facts with someone else.
PHD

Houston, TX

#15 Sep 30, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>You're confusing Fun Facts with someone else.
Ahhhh most be all that useless babble and hot air you spew daily to confuse all. We sure don't confuse you with someone else. Everyone knows your the commander of useless babble tainted with hate covered with spam cut and paste hot air.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#16 Sep 30, 2012
Fun Facts wrote:
From the article:
"The data also indicated that the Medieval warming was not uniform across the northern Hemisphere. Studies in Greenland and parts of North America show temperatures were warmer from 950 to 1250 than today."
http://syr.edu/news/articles/2012/ikaite-03-1...
One study of water temperatures (not air) that is supposed to 'establish a new methodology' does not constitute a fact. It is, at best, and area for more research.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11644-c...

Even giving that it was accurate and showed a warm current brushing the very tip of Greenland, it would have nothing to do with the settlement and was not a factor in the success or failure (which was mostly due to the Plague cutting them off from their 'support base'.

Try again.
Fun Facts

Las Cruces, NM

#18 Sep 30, 2012
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
<quoted text>
http://syr.edu/news/articles/2012/ikaite-03-1...
One study of water temperatures (not air) that is supposed to 'establish a new methodology' does not constitute a fact. It is, at best, and area for more research.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11644-c...
Even giving that it was accurate and showed a warm current brushing the very tip of Greenland, it would have nothing to do with the settlement and was not a factor in the success or failure (which was mostly due to the Plague cutting them off from their 'support base'.
Try again.
Nah, try again. There are many studies of Greenland and the vikings. Their diet over time is well known. No evidence of plague devasting the settlements. People were literate during this time. Many records were kept by the people of greenland and their trading partners.

Plague was a factor in Europe and reduced trade will all of Europe's partners. No doubt Greenland's inhabitants would have suffered from a lack of trade as a result of the plague. And definitly suffered as the area's seas grew colder and icer.
Fun Facts

Las Cruces, NM

#19 Sep 30, 2012
the real DUD FIVERS wrote:
<quoted text>sorry, but the information confirms what we "deniers" have always said. I worded it very badly. The fact is that the Warmies always denied there was a warm period at this or any time.
I think you're right about the 'warmies', I'm not a warmie.

I know history, when the IPCC lost the MWP is when I became interested in the climate debate.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#20 Sep 30, 2012
the real DUD FIVERS wrote:
sorry, but the information confirms what we "deniers" have always said. I worded it very badly. The fact is that the Warmies always denied there was a warm period at this or any time.
It's their job.
PHD

Houston, TX

#21 Sep 30, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>It's their job.
Great now let the care givers do their job. Stop the jibber jabber and apt attention to their instructions.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#22 Oct 1, 2012
PHDumbo wrote:
apt attention
???
PHD

Houston, TX

#23 Oct 1, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>It's their job.
Correct, now allow your care givers to do their job and administer the correct dose.

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