Homosexual behavior due to genetics and environmental factors

Jun 28, 2008 | Posted by: Cash | Full story: www.sciencecodex.com

Homosexual behaviour is largely shaped by genetics and random environmental factors, according to findings from the world's largest study of twins.

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equalityboy81

United States

#24 Sep 1, 2008
Doubt it wrote:
<quoted text>Never seen any gay that was or acted normal. TO be gay is not normal so how can they act like something they are not
Define normal to me. Where does the American Psychological Association claim homosexuality is abnormal? They claim it is just as normal. They are the ones that have the final say so on what is normal and abnormal per se. What are your sources and where do they get their information from? You certainly aren't the norm with all your hatred and bigotry. Many disagree with homosexuality but they wouldn't turn their backs on their gay children like you would if your kids were gay. They wouldn't be studying all the law books to figure out ways to railroad gays either like you do. Most people wouldn't go to the extents you do or make their absurd accusations and stereotyping. You are the one that's abnormal.
equalityboy81

United States

#25 Sep 1, 2008
Doubt it wrote:
<quoted text>there is nothing such as a christian gay anymore than there is a christian pedo or a christian rapeist.. going to church wont make you a christian you dont follow a christian path. and no I am not a christian nor do I go to church. BUt I can tell you that only freak relgions support gays and from what I have read god wouldnt support you ever in fact talked shit about you many times.
What do you know about being a Christian? Jesus wouldn't treat people the way you do.
lairbear

United States

#26 Sep 1, 2008
Now why does God allow homosexuality to exists, if it's such an unnatural thing in our Society? It is a "choice" according to Scripture. We decide to do that which is right or wrong according to ones beliefs.
One of my family members is a gay male and hated by their family members because of their lifestyle, been written off and no part of the family inheritance. Yes many of the family members are devout Christians. I argued with them about this issue to no avail.

Here's my opinion, remember it's just an opinion, not a fact.

I don't believe there's a gay gene, period. I do believe that certain parts of genetics are carried over to the offspring during fetal development. One of my beliefs is, the gene that attracts women to men, is carried over to the developing male, which, if activated, may cause men to be attracted to one another and vise versa for the female part if the gene that attracts men to women becomes a part of the female development. Again this is my opinion, IT HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN.

We humans, I think, have a inborn instinct to notice the difference between other individuals throughout our lifetime...like for example, one can be in a crowd and "notice" people that are and act different from others and can be consider "q---r" or different. Why, because they don't act, talk, walk, like most of us do. There has been discussion on how some people can see the differences in children regarding how “they” can sense or see that the child is gay. How in the hell do they do this, please let me know how. They don’t have an answer; they just seem to know. Is it Nature’s way of telling us of difference?

Now, this is a "choice" on their behalf...I don't believe so. It’s just the way they are and it’s not going to change no matter what people try to do, beating or killing them…. not even in the near future. Gay males and females have many differences in how much masculinity or femininity they display. Some get away with being gay and others have the s--t beat out of them (this is the case of the son beaten by his father with a baseball bat to beat the Satan Homosexuality out of him) or are killed before they ever have a chance to live their lives in peace even if they have that chance.

I feel sorry for them, for I believe in my heart there are differences that have not been explained as of yet. Hopefully in my lifetime some explanations will be presented, but as of yet, the answer in none, no. The gay issue will still remain that of a "choice" according to the Right and will remain so into the future, and Liberals cannot force their agenda on others, it does not work.

Again this is my opinion.

“Just call me Das. ”

Since: Jul 07

United States

#27 Sep 1, 2008
lairbear wrote:
Now why does God allow homosexuality to exists, if it's such an unnatural thing in our Society? It is a "choice" according to Scripture. We decide to do that which is right or wrong according to ones beliefs.
One of my family members is a gay male and hated by their family members because of their lifestyle, been written off and no part of the family inheritance. Yes many of the family members are devout Christians. I argued with them about this issue to no avail.
Here's my opinion, remember it's just an opinion, not a fact.
I don't believe there's a gay gene, period. I do believe that certain parts of genetics are carried over to the offspring during fetal development. One of my beliefs is, the gene that attracts women to men, is carried over to the developing male, which, if activated, may cause men to be attracted to one another and vise versa for the female part if the gene that attracts men to women becomes a part of the female development. Again this is my opinion, IT HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN.
We humans, I think, have a inborn instinct to notice the difference between other individuals throughout our lifetime...like for example, one can be in a crowd and "notice" people that are and act different from others and can be consider "q---r" or different. Why, because they don't act, talk, walk, like most of us do. There has been discussion on how some people can see the differences in children regarding how “they” can sense or see that the child is gay. How in the hell do they do this, please let me know how. They don’t have an answer; they just seem to know. Is it Nature’s way of telling us of difference?
Now, this is a "choice" on their behalf...I don't believe so. It’s just the way they are and it’s not going to change no matter what people try to do, beating or killing them…. not even in the near future. Gay males and females have many differences in how much masculinity or femininity they display. Some get away with being gay and others have the s--t beat out of them (this is the case of the son beaten by his father with a baseball bat to beat the Satan Homosexuality out of him) or are killed before they ever have a chance to live their lives in peace even if they have that chance.
I feel sorry for them, for I believe in my heart there are differences that have not been explained as of yet. Hopefully in my lifetime some explanations will be presented, but as of yet, the answer in none, no. The gay issue will still remain that of a "choice" according to the Right and will remain so into the future, and Liberals cannot force their agenda on others, it does not work.
Again this is my opinion.
You're right about it not being a choice.

And you've expended a lot of effort in developing and expressing your thinking on the subject. I would suggest that some of that effort might have been better spent actually researching the issue instead, since the opinions you proffer are kind of half-baked.

There's no reason to pity us; being gay is not a bad thing in and of itself. The problems that come with being gay are because of the bigotry of others.
Doubt it

United States

#28 Sep 1, 2008
Dasein9 wrote:
<quoted text>
You contradict yourself.
We're not freaks of nature, but if we were, being a freak of nature wouldn't be a choice either. That's what the "of nature" part means in the phrase.
<quoted text>
You contradict yourself.
If it were possible to recruit someone into a sexual orientation, then everyone would be straight, since we live in a culture that takes being straight for granted. And yet, gays exist.
So, you claim that there's recruitment going on, but you're operating from the presupposition that recruitment doesn't work.
Internal contradiction is an indication of mendacity, and we've already established the mendacity of your beliefs in another thread.
LMAO freaks make bad choices all the time gays are freaks and are living proof they make bad choices
Doubt it

United States

#29 Sep 1, 2008
Dasein9 wrote:
<quoted text>
You contradict yourself.
We're not freaks of nature, but if we were, being a freak of nature wouldn't be a choice either. That's what the "of nature" part means in the phrase.
<quoted text>
You contradict yourself.
If it were possible to recruit someone into a sexual orientation, then everyone would be straight, since we live in a culture that takes being straight for granted. And yet, gays exist.
So, you claim that there's recruitment going on, but you're operating from the presupposition that recruitment doesn't work.
Internal contradiction is an indication of mendacity, and we've already established the mendacity of your beliefs in another thread.
you all do recruit and ruin kids lives telling them you are normal and to accept you as such. Do you not think that parents set them straight and tell them what kind of perverts you are.
Doubt it

United States

#31 Sep 1, 2008
equalityboy81 wrote:
<quoted text>
What do you know about being a Christian? Jesus wouldn't treat people the way you do.
NOt only would he ... he did. ask the people running gambling in the church when he was a kid. There are numerous occasions where that dude kicked ass on freaks.

“Just call me Das. ”

Since: Jul 07

United States

#33 Sep 1, 2008
Doubt it wrote:
<quoted text>you all do recruit and ruin kids lives telling them you are normal and to accept you as such. Do you not think that parents set them straight and tell them what kind of perverts you are.
We ARE normal. And no, we're not paedophiles or rapists.

If you're discussing the particulars of sex acts with your kids, then you would be the one who's perverse.
Doubt it

United States

#34 Sep 1, 2008
Dasein9 wrote:
<quoted text>
You're right about it not being a choice.
And you've expended a lot of effort in developing and expressing your thinking on the subject. I would suggest that some of that effort might have been better spent actually researching the issue instead, since the opinions you proffer are kind of half-baked.
There's no reason to pity us; being gay is not a bad thing in and of itself. The problems that come with being gay are because of the bigotry of others.
ya AIDS is a bigot thing? LOL gays are just like any other cancer just one more disease

“Just call me Das. ”

Since: Jul 07

United States

#35 Sep 1, 2008
Doubt it wrote:
<quoted text>ya AIDS is a bigot thing? LOL gays are just like any other cancer just one more disease
Christ on a cracker, I do hope you're not telling your kids that straight people don't get AIDS!
equalityboy81

United States

#37 Sep 1, 2008
Doubt it wrote:
<quoted text>NOt only would he ... he did. ask the people running gambling in the church when he was a kid. There are numerous occasions where that dude kicked ass on freaks.
Everyone has their own interpretation of the bible and I have mine. Many of these so-called Christians are some of the most evil and hateful people in the world. If those are the kind of people I'd have to deal with I'm just as happy staying at home with my family and my own kind. That's why I am not a religious hypocrit. You keep representing your all loving God.
Steve33uk

Leicester, UK

#38 Sep 1, 2008
Doubt it wrote:
<quoted text>This is the kind of BS that alot gays put out and use to recruit kids. They tell them that they are supposed to get off on guy guy sex and try and reinforce a bad decision. I think its all a way for the gay man to not feel as bad about himself by getting others into what he is. for some perverse reason they think having more ruined lives supports thier own ruined life.
I find these comments of yours very insulting!
Being a member of the gay community is not like being in the Army - We do not RECRUIT kids.
And as for ruining their lives, they will make the decision about whether they engage in active gay relationships themselves. As I say, having homosexual feelings is NOT something that we choose - Undoubtedly you are straight and your sexual attraction is to women, but my sexual attraction is to men and I am not going to live a lie just to keep people like you happy. I am accepting of who I am and if another young guy wants to explore his own feelings by practicing gay guy sex with me, then that is not me Recruiting him - it is HIS CHOICE.
It is highly unlikely that a virgin straight kid who has feelings toward women would be seduced by a gay man. You know your own mind and what you are in terms of sexual orientation by the age of 10 or even younger, I used to eye up other lads at school and was called a queer at the age of 8, so who RECRUITED me then?
Just because I don't have sex with women and I don't re-produce, is that such a BIG problem, after all the world population is at record high anyway.
You are perfectly entitled to your views, but obviously you come from a state where homosexuality is not tolerated. I am glad I dont live in your state but rather in England, where people's opinions are a little more accepting.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#39 Sep 1, 2008
While I don't expect irrational bigots such as "Doubt it" to read anything that might run contrary to their perverted lifestyle choices of bigotry and hate, it amazes me that a couple of other people that responded on this thread didn't bother to read what this study actually found before chiming in with their own crackpot theories on causation.
What this article actually said: ""Overall, genetics accounted for around 35 per cent of the differences between men in homosexual behaviour and other individual-specific environmental factors (that is, not societal attitudes, family or parenting which are shared by twins) accounted for around 64 per cent. In other words, men become gay or straight because of different developmental pathways, not just one pathway."

For women, genetics explained roughly 18 per cent of the variation in same-sex behaviour, non-shared environment roughly 64 per cent and shared factors, or the family environment, explained 16 per cent.

The study shows that genetic influences are important but modest, and that non-shared environmental factors, which may include factors operating during foetal development, dominate."

Kind of hard to fit the choice or lured into it theories into the equation when the study found that 99+% of all men who are homosexual are homosexual either due to genetics or essentially biological factors that occur before birth....
Doubt it

United States

#40 Sep 1, 2008
equalityboy81 wrote:
<quoted text>
Everyone has their own interpretation of the bible and I have mine. Many of these so-called Christians are some of the most evil and hateful people in the world. If those are the kind of people I'd have to deal with I'm just as happy staying at home with my family and my own kind. That's why I am not a religious hypocrit. You keep representing your all loving God.
Dude one last time Im not a christian i dont go to church at all.. hope that sinks in this time
Doubt it

United States

#41 Sep 1, 2008
Steve33uk wrote:
<quoted text>
I find these comments of yours very insulting!
Being a member of the gay community is not like being in the Army - We do not RECRUIT kids.
And as for ruining their lives, they will make the decision about whether they engage in active gay relationships themselves. As I say, having homosexual feelings is NOT something that we choose - Undoubtedly you are straight and your sexual attraction is to women, but my sexual attraction is to men and I am not going to live a lie just to keep people like you happy. I am accepting of who I am and if another young guy wants to explore his own feelings by practicing gay guy sex with me, then that is not me Recruiting him - it is HIS CHOICE.
It is highly unlikely that a virgin straight kid who has feelings toward women would be seduced by a gay man. You know your own mind and what you are in terms of sexual orientation by the age of 10 or even younger, I used to eye up other lads at school and was called a queer at the age of 8, so who RECRUITED me then?
Just because I don't have sex with women and I don't re-produce, is that such a BIG problem, after all the world population is at record high anyway.
You are perfectly entitled to your views, but obviously you come from a state where homosexuality is not tolerated. I am glad I dont live in your state but rather in England, where people's opinions are a little more accepting.
Im glad you live there too. and yes gays recruit kids they go in schools and tell them gays are acceptable and what you all do to eachother is good and fine.. there are also tons of you that seek out little boys to have sex with that have no idea that your kind are freaks and he has no idea how to say no to you. Then his life is ruined and you all are happy you have one more suicide victim you recruited

“Married as I can be!”

Since: Jun 07

Las Vegas

#42 Sep 1, 2008
Doubt it wrote:
Being gay is a choice you make. Quit blaming genetics just because you are to weak a human being to make a better choice.
If homosexuality is a choice, then heterosexuality MUST be a choice as well, and that implies that at some time you were attracted to both males and females. When did YOU make the choice to be exclusively heterosexual?

And can you offer ANY scientific proof of your contention that homosexuality is a choice is true?

“Just call me Das. ”

Since: Jul 07

United States

#43 Sep 1, 2008
Doubt it wrote:
<quoted text>Im glad you live there too. and yes gays recruit kids they go in schools and tell them gays are acceptable and what you all do to eachother is good and fine.. there are also tons of you that seek out little boys to have sex with that have no idea that your kind are freaks and he has no idea how to say no to you. Then his life is ruined and you all are happy you have one more suicide victim you recruited
Liar.
Steve33uk

Leicester, UK

#44 Sep 1, 2008
Doubt it wrote:
<quoted text>Im glad you live there too. and yes gays recruit kids they go in schools and tell them gays are acceptable and what you all do to eachother is good and fine.. there are also tons of you that seek out little boys to have sex with that have no idea that your kind are freaks and he has no idea how to say no to you. Then his life is ruined and you all are happy you have one more suicide victim you recruited
Yes, indeed there are a lot of PAEDOPHILES out in society, I will agree with that, paedophiles are disgusting and anyone who seeks out sex with small children and underage kids is disgusting, but that goes for straight men and women as well. Not all gay men are paedophiles, and it is a very sweeping statement of yours to suggest that we all prey on little boys. ANY PERSON who does this should be locked up.
The legal age of consent in the UK is 18 for homosexuals, and by that age, they already are well aware of which sex they have feelings for.
You have been brought up by a staunch anti-gay family in a very Religious community by the sounds of the way you speak, but you must distinguish between PAEDOPHILIA and Homosexuality.
Far more straight people are paedophiles so I would suggest that you focus your anger and hatred against these people instead, then we would be in total agreement.

“Just call me Das. ”

Since: Jul 07

United States

#45 Sep 1, 2008
Rick in Kansas wrote:
While I don't expect irrational bigots such as "Doubt it" to read anything that might run contrary to their perverted lifestyle choices of bigotry and hate, it amazes me that a couple of other people that responded on this thread didn't bother to read what this study actually found before chiming in with their own crackpot theories on causation.
What this article actually said: ""Overall, genetics accounted for around 35 per cent of the differences between men in homosexual behaviour and other individual-specific environmental factors (that is, not societal attitudes, family or parenting which are shared by twins) accounted for around 64 per cent. In other words, men become gay or straight because of different developmental pathways, not just one pathway."
For women, genetics explained roughly 18 per cent of the variation in same-sex behaviour, non-shared environment roughly 64 per cent and shared factors, or the family environment, explained 16 per cent.
The study shows that genetic influences are important but modest, and that non-shared environmental factors, which may include factors operating during foetal development, dominate."
Kind of hard to fit the choice or lured into it theories into the equation when the study found that 99+% of all men who are homosexual are homosexual either due to genetics or essentially biological factors that occur before birth....
You're right. I guess the reason I didn't address this is that the biology is just less interesting to me than the other issues surrounding homosexuality, like social justice and ethics. Oh, yeah, and that little thing Doubt It has so much trouble with -- the truth!
Doubt it

United States

#46 Sep 1, 2008
Dasein9 wrote:
<quoted text>
We ARE normal. And no, we're not paedophiles or rapists.
If you're discussing the particulars of sex acts with your kids, then you would be the one who's perverse.
Crafting 'gay' children
Many homosexuals are attracted to young boys, they fantasize about young boys, they frequent websites about young boys, they cruise the streets for young boys, and they volunteer as Boy Scout leaders in an attempt to have sex with young boys, according to a world-renowned researcher and author.

Dr. Judith Reisman, formerly a research professor at American University, veteran pornography researcher and expert witness before the attorney general's commission on pornography, is the author of "Kinsey: Crimes and Consequences." Having extensively researched the homosexual lifestyle, Reisman and other experts have reached some disturbing conclusions. Contrary to the popular view that there is little crossover between homosexuality and pedophilia, she says homosexuals are anxious to recruit young boys -- a practice that is becoming easier thanks to sex education and "diversity programs" in schools that teach children to consider homosexuality as both acceptable and normal.
In one of the major cultural battlefronts of the year, the Boy Scouts of America has taken the legal challenges to it before the Supreme Court and won the right to deny avowed homosexuals entrance as adult leaders. Nevertheless, ever since the BSA's founding early last century, it has been plagued with a constant undercurrent of pedophile scout leaders preying on the vulnerable, trusting boys they "lead."

Greg Shields, Boy Scouts of America's national spokesman, says homosexuals cannot serve as examples to young boys because they do not live by the Scout Oath to be "morally straight." Although painfully aware of the problems BSA has had over the years of men preying on boys, Shields takes a somewhat corporate and elusive line in separating the organization's homosexual policy from its child sexual abuse policy.

"Unfortunately, child molestation can come from anyone. We are teaching boys character values. Everyone knows where we stand on this. We have never accepted homosexuals as leaders and we never will," said Shields.

But Reisman says what 90 years of police blotter statistics prove -- that young boys are in real danger of sexual molestation, and that the BSA has sound reasons to ban homosexuals.

Reisman conducted two recent scientific studies that challenge the popular mantra of homosexual activists who insist that: 1) they are "born that way," 2) homosexuals make up 10 percent of the population, and 3) youths should be able to have sex at an early age.

"Crafting 'Gay' Children: An Inquiry into the Abuse of Vulnerable Youth Via Establishment Media and the School Room" and "Partner Solicitation Language as a Reflection of Male Sexual Orientation," are continuations of the work Reisman began with her study, "Kinsey: Crimes & Consequences."

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