Skull Valley lawmaker wants both side...

Skull Valley lawmaker wants both sides of climate change taught to students

There are 1632 comments on the Verde Independent story from Feb 5, 2013, titled Skull Valley lawmaker wants both sides of climate change taught to students. In it, Verde Independent reports that:

Saying students are getting only one side of the debate, a state senator wants to free teachers to tell students why they believe there is no such thing human-caused "global warming.' The proposal by Sen.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#959 Apr 18, 2013
Shubee wrote:
The mindlessness of the Family Guy is responsible for the Boston bombing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =viShy5Wvly8XX
That has nothing to do with the global warming hoax.
You are a total idiot who will buy into anything. That clip combined two unrelated episodes of Family Guy.

I guess lying is okay if it backs your side, huh Shoob. In a very similar way you like to lie for Jesus.

I did not think it was possible for you to stoop any lower and yet you managed to surprise me.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#961 Apr 18, 2013
al gore wrote:
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I think al gore has all the answers. He told me all I need to know. Oh, I am a sheep.
Yes, anyone who has a user name like "al gore" would be a sheep. Personally I think the real Al Gore is a vial hypocrite. Unfortunately he is also right about AGW. You should grow up enough to know that a person can both be despicable and correct.

And what does Al Gore have to do with Shoob the total Boob's latest idiocy? Did you see how low he just went? He makes Al Gore look like a decent human being, and that takes some doing.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#962 Apr 18, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
You are a total idiot who will buy into anything. That clip combined two unrelated episodes of Family Guy.
No, the two clips are related. Both scenes were from the same episode.

"Turban Cowboy" had scenes of an attempted bombing of a bridge in Quahog, the fictional Rhode Island town where the Griffin family lives in "Family Guy," and a flashback showing lead character Peter Griffin winning the Boston Marathon by mowing down all of his competitors in a car.

The two violent events were shown in different parts of the same episode.

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Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#963 Apr 20, 2013
Carbon taxes would suppress economic activity as much as CO2 emissions; I oppose cap and trade too. Abrogate climate treaties and agreements; get real.

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Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#965 Apr 23, 2013
There are still no experimental tests for climate change mitigation. That means, we're still arguing about a hoax.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#966 Apr 23, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
There are still no experimental tests for climate change mitigation. That means, we're still arguing about a hoax.
Nope it means that you are basing your argument on the fact that there are no “world scale” experimental tests

As you know there are hundreds/thousands of small scale experiments/test/simulations that you have been linked to and you have ignored and even denied exists but that’s a problem with your personality, not the various people who offered you the links

P.S. Do you have any info to suggest that NASA is in the habit of hoaxing?

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Since: May 08

Orlando

#967 Apr 23, 2013
Here's fodder for another round of climate change denial:

Global warming study suggests human causes dating back to 1800s

Darrell S. Kaufman / Northern Arizona University

By John Roach, Contributing Writer, NBC News

A long-term global cooling trend ended in the late 19th century, a reversal in temperature that cannot be explained by natural variability alone, according to a new study.

The finding stems from 2,000-year-long continental-scale temperature records inferred from tree rings, ice cores, lake sediments and other so-called proxies from around the world.

The records show variations in temperature caused by changes in Earth's orbit, output of solar energy, and volcanic eruptions, noted Nicholas McKay, a climate scientist at Northern Arizona University and study co-author. Volcanic eruptions, for example, inject particles in the atmosphere that reflect some of the solar radiation back out to space.

"The 18th and 19th centuries would probably have been colder than the 20th century no matter what just because there has been a bit less volcanism in this century, but the amount of warming we've seen is extremely unlikely to have happened solely due to natural processes," he told NBC News.

In fact, he and colleagues note in the study — published Sunday in Nature Geoscience — that the natural factors that drove the Earth's long-term cooling are still present today, despite the fact that we are in a period of rising global temperatures.

The record is consistent with other recent temperature reconstructions that show the reversal in long-term cooling coinciding with the acceleration of greenhouse gas emissions from human activity during the industrial revolution at the end of the 19th century.

Gerald North, a climate scientist at Texas A&M University, told NBC News in an email that the new study seems to fit the emerging consensus of a gradual cooling of the past 1,000 to 2,000 years followed by "an abrupt warming since 1900."

"Each year we have more evidence corroborating these same findings," he said. "It is 15 years since the first paper ... known as the 'hockey stick' paper. We have no credible evidence that they got it wrong."

The researcher behind the iconic 1999 "hockey stick" graph, Pennsylvania State University climate scientist Michael Mann, was not part of the new study, but he told NBC News in an emailed statement that the work of McKay and his team "adds to the growing body of scientific evidence that the recent warming is likely unprecedented even further back in time."

Mann added, "While the study doesn't attribute causality to the warming, there is an extensive body of research that shows that we can only explain the anomalous recent warming with human impacts, i.e. burning of fossil fuels and resulting increase in greenhouse gas concentrations."

One distinguishing feature of the new study, noted McKay, is that it highlights variability in temperature around the globe at any one time. For example, a rise in temperatures known as the Medieval Warm Period followed by cooling during the Little Ice Age was pronounced in Europe and North America, less so in the Southern Hemisphere, he said.

While the paper isn't the first to look at regional climate reconstructions, it is the first so well organized, noted David Anderson, a paleoclimatologist with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's National Climatic Data Center. And, collectively, the regions show the end to the cooling trend on a global scale. "It is truly no debate," he told NBC News.

The ability to see the regional variability in response to forces on the global climate — from human burning of fossil fuels to volcanic eruptions — will be increasingly important as humans try to mitigate and adapt to future climate change, McKay added.

http://science.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/22/1...

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#969 Apr 23, 2013

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Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#970 Apr 23, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
Nope it means that you are basing your argument on the fact that there are no “world scale” experimental tests
No atmospheric tests

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ChristineM wrote:
As you know there are hundreds/thousands of small scale experiments/test/simulations that you have been linked to and you have ignored and even denied exists but that’s a problem with your personality, not the various people who offered you the links P.S. Do you have any info to suggest that NASA is in the habit of hoaxing?
None of those "experiments/test/simulat ions" have shown a climate change or are compelling tests of climate change mitigation. Name one you like; we can discuss it.

Are you surprised NASA would fear monger when it can get more taxpayer cash?

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#972 Apr 23, 2013
AMARILLO, Texas (AP)- A strong cold front moving south through Texas has brought record low temperatures to the Panhandle along with high winds and power outages.

The Amarillo Globe-News reports ( http://bit.ly/17fYgp4 ) the National Weather Service recorded a low of 30 degrees in Amarillo on Tuesday morning. That ties the low set on April 23, 1909, in that city.

Now according to Mr Gore and Mr Easterbrook, it just gotta to be global warming causing it to have record lows...LOL...You nuts amaze me.

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Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#973 Apr 23, 2013
Whoa whoa wait... there is still a debate about if it's happening or not? I thought that horse got laid out to pasture a long time ago.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#974 Apr 23, 2013
Dajokerman wrote:
Whoa whoa wait... there is still a debate about if it's happening or not? I thought that horse got laid out to pasture a long time ago.
I did too when they changed it to climate change. Yes we know Gore said from the start case closed, it's warm...LOL
Dont drink the koolaid

Eden Prairie, MN

#975 Apr 24, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Nope it means that you are basing your argument on the fact that there are no “world scale” experimental tests
As you know there are hundreds/thousands of small scale experiments/test/simulations that you have been linked to and you have ignored and even denied exists but that’s a problem with your personality, not the various people who offered you the links
P.S. Do you have any info to suggest that NASA is in the habit of hoaxing?
Yes, many thousands of CO2 experiments have been conducted with the same results. Replicated by independent tests world wide. More CO2 is beneficial to life on Earth.
http://scholar.google.com/scholar...
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#976 Apr 24, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
AMARILLO, Texas (AP)- A strong cold front moving south through Texas has brought record low temperatures to the Panhandle along with high winds and power outages.
Warm fronts with excess AGW energy vigorously push into the high Arctic. That's why the high Arctic has had above average temperatures for 180 days out of the last 220 days. Simultaneously, cold Arctic fronts are pushed to the south. Cold Arctic fronts can be pushed as far south as Mexico, Central America, China, India, & Africa.

These occurrences have repeated themselves several times this year already. In January 2009 record warm Arctic temperatures STOPPED Arctic sea ice freezing AND EVEN MELTED SEA ICE for 11 days in a row! Simultaneously, cold Arctic air moved south over Canada & the U.S., causing Maine to record its lowest ever temperature of -50degF.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#977 Apr 24, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
...... when they changed it to climate change.
In 2002 Frank Luntz, advisor to re-pubic-lick-uns, said to re-pubic-lick-un candidates to use the term,'climate change', to make them more electable. Since then, percentages of re-pubic-lick-uns have reduced. Presently, re-pubic-lick-uns have to resort to political maneuverings to retain some semblance of political power.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#978 Apr 24, 2013
litesong wrote:
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Warm fronts with excess AGW energy vigorously push into the high Arctic. That's why the high Arctic has had above average temperatures for 180 days out of the last 220 days. Simultaneously, cold Arctic fronts are pushed to the south. Cold Arctic fronts can be pushed as far south as Mexico, Central America, China, India, & Africa.
These occurrences have repeated themselves several times this year already. In January 2009 record warm Arctic temperatures STOPPED Arctic sea ice freezing AND EVEN MELTED SEA ICE for 11 days in a row! Simultaneously, cold Arctic air moved south over Canada & the U.S., causing Maine to record its lowest ever temperature of -50degF.
LOL...What climate change is not from global warming? LOL...

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#979 Apr 24, 2013
There is significant evidence that would tend to falsify global warming. The mean global air temperature has not risen for the last fifteen years. At the end of March the global extent of sea ice was above the long-term average and higher than it was in March of 1980. Last December, snow cover in the northern hemisphere was at the highest level since record keeping began in 1966. The UK just experienced the coldest March of the last fifty years. There has been no increase in droughts or wildfires. Worldwide hurricane and cyclone activity is near a forty-year low.

One might think that the foregoing facts would raise doubts in scientists interested in pursuing objective truth. But global warming is not so much a scientific theory subject to empirical falsification as it is a political ideology that must be fiercely defended in defiance of every fact to the contrary. In the past few years we have been told that not only hot weather but cold weather is caused by global warming. The blizzards that struck the east coast of the US in 2010 were attributed to global warming. Every weather event–hot, cold, wet or dry–is said to be caused by global warming. The theory that explains everything explains nothing.

The whole country is running with jackasses right now.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#980 Apr 24, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
There is significant evidence that would tend to falsify global warming. The mean global air temperature has not risen for the last fifteen years. At the end of March the global extent of sea ice was above the long-term average and higher than it was in March of 1980. Last December, snow cover in the northern hemisphere was at the highest level since record keeping began in 1966. The UK just experienced the coldest March of the last fifty years. There has been no increase in droughts or wildfires. Worldwide hurricane and cyclone activity is near a forty-year low.

One might think that the foregoing facts would raise doubts in scientists interested in pursuing objective truth. But global warming is not so much a scientific theory subject to empirical falsification as it is a political ideology that must be fiercely defended in defiance of every fact to the contrary. In the past few years we have been told that not only hot weather but cold weather is caused by global warming. The blizzards that struck the east coast of the US in 2010 were attributed to global warming. Every weather event–hot, cold, wet or dry–is said to be caused by global warming. The theory that explains everything explains nothing.

The whole country is running with jackasses right now.
Link to your previous assertations, please?
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#981 Apr 24, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
What climate change is not from global warming?
Since the Earth is warming from AGW, as I have shown(& you still don't understand), AGW energy can vigorously push Arctic cold to southern regions & set cold temperature records. Its all there. But you don't want to understand & love your ignorance.

Cold records are being set as far south as Mexico, Central America, China, India & Africa because vigorous excess AGW energy pushes Arctic cold quicker towards those regions.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#982 Apr 24, 2013
recked car flameout wrote:
At the end of March the global extent of sea ice was above the long-term average and higher than it was in March of 1980.
From my posts in Will It, Won't It, Part 3':

As of April 1, 2013, Arctic (sea ice) VOLUME is ~1.5% lower than that of the "2010-to-current" time range. Average Arctic sea ice VOLUME for April 1, for the period 1980-89, was ~30,300 cubic kilometers. Present April 1, 2013 sea ice VOLUME is ~21,700 cubic kilometers,~40% less than the 1980-89 period.

Often, toxic topix AGW deniers love to concentrate on Arctic sea ice area in the latter winter-early spring period, to show how little sea ice has been affected. However, considerations of Arctic sea ice VOLUME show the uncontrolled plummet of sea ice, desired by unscientific AGW deniers, who mostly have no or little mathematical or science background.
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