Skull Valley lawmaker wants both side...

Skull Valley lawmaker wants both sides of climate change taught to students

There are 1632 comments on the Verde Independent story from Feb 5, 2013, titled Skull Valley lawmaker wants both sides of climate change taught to students. In it, Verde Independent reports that:

Saying students are getting only one side of the debate, a state senator wants to free teachers to tell students why they believe there is no such thing human-caused "global warming.' The proposal by Sen.

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“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#673 Mar 26, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Basically, just about any climate change short of a new ice age is going to be an improvement for Britain.
Been officially spring for a few days and it seems we are in a mini ice age now, it’s hovering around zero, snow, icy wind, transport disruption, power outages. Every month from April to January the UK had a major flooding with 100 to 200 flood warnings/alerts per month.

But hey, February was OK

This time last year people were picnicking in parks.

These are the results of climate change.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#674 Mar 26, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Chris is saying it often rains in Great Britain now; and that's unusual how?
Don’t be such a pathetic pillock all your life, I was talking of extreme flooding that cost millions of pounds in damage infrastructure disruption and peoples lives. Notice that I said “major flooding somewhere in the UK”

But of course if you want to be flippant then feel free to mock such death if it suites your failing cause

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#675 Mar 26, 2013
Lil Ticked wrote:
I have a hard time believing that the world is changing. I mean, hasn't it always been this way since the dawn of time?
No

http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
Dont drink the koolaid

Eden Prairie, MN

#676 Mar 26, 2013
sickofit wrote:
Just teach the truth which is GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL..........Why teach a lie....
So, AGW is real and the 'truth' is that Man's CO2 is the cause of Minnesota's unusual Spring temps and the blanket of snow the United States is currently under - as predicted by The AGW Experts.

Clearly, if Man does not get serious about reducing the CO2 in the atmosphere this Global Warming thing just may result in major snow storms canceling our 4th of July celebrations.

Removing 48 CO2 molecules per 1,000,000 from the air should be enough climate engineering to save America's Independence Day celebrations!

Well... that was simple.
Earth's Climate isn't all that complex after all!

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#677 Mar 26, 2013
Dont drink the koolaid wrote:
<quoted text>
So, AGW is real and the 'truth' is that Man's CO2 is the cause of Minnesota's unusual Spring temps and the blanket of snow the United States is currently under - as predicted by The AGW Experts.
Clearly, if Man does not get serious about reducing the CO2 in the atmosphere this Global Warming thing just may result in major snow storms canceling our 4th of July celebrations.
Removing 48 CO2 molecules per 1,000,000 from the air should be enough climate engineering to save America's Independence Day celebrations!
Well... that was simple.
Earth's Climate isn't all that complex after all!
What is unusual about Minnesota's spring? It looks a bit warmer than it was when I lived there but that was almost thirty years ago. Snow used to last until about halfway through April. "Spring" was a very short season when I grew up there. What passed for spring lasted 4 to 6 weeks and then we were into summer.

What is it like there now, and I am speaking of the Minneapolis area in specific.

I see that you are from Minneapolis, have you ever had breakfast at Al's Breakfast? I miss their hash browns.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#678 Mar 26, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
Yes Brian. A good little scientist should stay in his box and merely report that there is an observed correlation already between CO2 levels and temperature rise, and that we have scientific theories that provide a causative link and that in fact the observed correlation was predicted a century ago by those theories which have in fact been further refined and corroborated since Arrhenius...
But, no, scientists are not like everyone else. No way should they be allowed to express and opinion on policy. In fact, scientific credentials should specifically bar anyone from suggesting policy, especially on matters relating to scientific and technical matters.
I never said scientists shouldn't express their opinions, I said their job is to produce experimental evidence. In that sense, climate change mitigation science is a dismal failure with a zero score.

I'm saying I won't pay carbon tax and live with increasing CO2 levels since we can't stop and won't stop it in the first place.

CO2, why worry? Don't let those mean politicians out for votes and contributions deciding the path, you decide. Make your own climate or move to one you prefer. Think outside the box.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

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#679 Mar 26, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
Been officially spring for a few days and it seems we are in a mini ice age now, it’s hovering around zero, snow, icy wind, transport disruption, power outages. Every month from April to January the UK had a major flooding with 100 to 200 flood warnings/alerts per month. But hey, February was OK This time last year people were picnicking in parks. These are the results of climate change.
Exactly, but not man made climate change. Think about it, man made climate change means more extreme weather of all kinds, cold as well as hot. That means, more absolutely extreme beautiful weather too, look forward to summer. I know early spring is cold, I feel for you.

Don't panic and those TV commercials for politicians promising better climate through new taxes and government spending have an agenda with little in common to your well being. Be a little skeptical, please. Everyone in a white lab coat isn't the good guy.

Grow up.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#680 Mar 26, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
What is unusual about Minnesota's spring? It looks a bit warmer than it was when I lived there but that was almost thirty years ago. Snow used to last until about halfway through April. "Spring" was a very short season when I grew up there. What passed for spring lasted 4 to 6 weeks and then we were into summer.
What is it like there now, and I am speaking of the Minneapolis area in specific.
I see that you are from Minneapolis, have you ever had breakfast at Al's Breakfast? I miss their hash browns.
I think the longer we live, the more we take weather events in stride. I wouldn't vote for a climate change mitigator if my life depended on it.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#681 Mar 26, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
Yes Brian. A good little scientist should stay in his box and merely report that there is an observed correlation already between CO2 levels and temperature rise, and that we have scientific theories that provide a causative link and that in fact the observed correlation was predicted a century ago by those theories which have in fact been further refined and corroborated since Arrhenius...
"A good little scientist should" conduct experimental tests and teach people where to find and how to duplicate that data. A good scientists has a compelling, demonstrable, reproducible and well explained demonstration, trial, test or experiment to disprove other explanations...

Until then, I'm going to emit as much CO2 as I want and you're not going to stop me. I can grow plants to sequester CO2 on my land and it's none of your business. Keep your carbon tax to yourself, don't like carbon, don't burn it.

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Chimney1 wrote:
But, no, scientists are not like everyone else. No way should they be allowed to express and opinion on policy. In fact, scientific credentials should specifically bar anyone from suggesting policy, especially on matters relating to scientific and technical matters.
I'd like to hear scientists argue, it would make a nice change from Topix norms.
SpaceBlues

United States

#682 Mar 26, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>.. don't like carbon, don't burn it..
We like our humanity more than the climate-changing GHGs.
PHD

Cibolo, TX

#683 Mar 27, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>We like our humanity more than the climate-changing GHGs.
So show all your peer reviewed published work and stop the argument. To date all you post are cut and paste scientific science fiction useless babble.

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

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#684 Mar 27, 2013
http://www.nature.com/nbt/journal/v27/n12/ful...
Engineering direct conversion of CO2 to biofuel

Now you can quit your crying...

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#685 Mar 28, 2013
A flower directly changes atmospheric CO2 into life. Don't panic; you have the right to emit and use as much carbon dioxide as you please. Stop telling people what to do and do the science.

There are no experimental tests of climate change mitigation or on man made greenhouse gases changing climate.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#686 Mar 28, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
A flower directly changes atmospheric CO2 into life.
http://www.fossilmuseum.net/Evolution/Endosym...

Nuts. It is the leaf of the plant. The flower is the sexual organ of a plant and plays no role. It is the work of a cyanobacteria that was 'engulfed' and became a mutualist in the early evolution.

These 'chloroplasts' are limited to a selection of the cells of a limited set of plants called 'green' of 'photosyntheising' generally the 'leaf' which is discarded every winter in many plants.

These symbiotic cells produce oxygen and glucose, not life, from water, CO2 and light energy. It is the light energy that produces life if you want to make that claim. Life is energy,and the chloroplast converts the light energy to chemical energy that the plant can use.

And the inputs are extracted FROM the atmosphere, it is not the atmosphere itself. A very energy costly process as the plant must extract and concentrate the CO2 and water for it's part of the 'symbiosis'.

So you made four egregious errors in a simple statement of non-fact. That is a record!
Brian_G wrote:
Don't panic; you have the right to emit and use as much carbon dioxide as you please.
Lets see. First is the strawman. Nobody is claiming a restriction on oxygen use. It is CO2 concentration that is at issue. Second error is that there is no inherent right to anything. The planet produces the 'life support system' in common. It is not regulated and therefore is subject to system failure.
Brian_G wrote:
Stop telling people what to do and do the science.
The science IS telling people how to avoid 'system failure' from sytematic changes to the natural system produced by industry. That is the reality. Trying to turn it into a 'right' or a question of 'freedom' is stupid. Reality is not subject to political affiliation.
Brian_G wrote:
There are no experimental tests of climate change mitigation or on man made greenhouse gases changing climate.
Climate change, no. But there are clear cause and effect links to the causes of climate change and those are the weak links in the the problem. Or as one wit put it... "if it hurts when you do this, stop doing this.. "
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#687 Mar 28, 2013
Note. For a clear description of how the plant uses CO2 to support the chloroplasts, please check out the article "the big flaw' on page 42 in the September 2010 issue of 'New Scientist'. Perhaps at your local library.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#688 Mar 28, 2013
One other point worth mention. The majority of oxygen is generated by free floating plant cells (phytoplankton) in the oceans.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/...

On land, the majority is not generated by trees, or even shrubs, or by flowering plants, but by grasses.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

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#689 Mar 29, 2013
CO2 is vital to life, all LHMF's rhettoric doesn't change the fact carbon dioxide isn't toxic or poisonous in the atmosphere.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#690 Apr 2, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly, but not man made climate change. Think about it, man made climate change means more extreme weather of all kinds, cold as well as hot. That means, more absolutely extreme beautiful weather too, look forward to summer. I know early spring is cold, I feel for you.
Don't panic and those TV commercials for politicians promising better climate through new taxes and government spending have an agenda with little in common to your well being. Be a little skeptical, please. Everyone in a white lab coat isn't the good guy.
Grow up.
Sorry, the consensus of scientists including those at NASA and the NOAA make it plain that this current round of climate change is amplified by human intervention. I have shown you the relevant links to these proofs previously and you seem to have ignored them because they don’t jell with you childish ideas of ignore it and it will all go away.

So the fact the people are dying because man made climate change is causing extreme weather conditions does not bother you? It’s all a joke to you? Grow up you ignoramus

So money is you gripe, you are not prepared to pay extra taxes to offset your contribution to climate change? This is expected, you are not only an emotionless ignorant moron but a tight wad too.

Grow up? You are then one exaggerating (everyone???). You are the one with the childishly facetious attitude. You are the one claiming that people dying is of no consequence, childish attitude don’t you think?

So please tell us what is this agenda hyped by certain politicians? Or is it yet another deniers tag line that you don’t really understand and are unable to elaborate on?

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#691 Apr 2, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
CO2 is vital to life, all LHMF's rhettoric doesn't change the fact carbon dioxide isn't toxic or poisonous in the atmosphere.
This is not true, in fact it’s just another of your lies to add the mounting pile of lies you spout. FYI, a cause does not thrive on lies.

Please advise how is it that medicine has description of “carbon dioxide poisoning” and even a name “Hypercapnia”? I am certain that those with a qualification in medicine know somewhat more than a denier with an axe to grind.

CO2 is harmful to oxygen breathing life, it increases the concentration of carbonic acid and reduces homeostasis, leading to heightened blood pressure, arrhythmia, disorientation, panic, hyperventilation, convulsions, unconsciousness, and eventually death. And if all that does not kill you then you will suffocate because it’s an asphyxiant.

Try breathing a room full of it for 10 minutes and tell me how vital to your life it is? Go on, I dare you? Oh I think I have challenged to this before and for some strange or obscure reason you have ignored it.

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Since: May 08

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