The President has failed us

The President has failed us

There are 408871 comments on the Times News story from Jun 9, 2012, titled The President has failed us. In it, Times News reports that:

This week, I decided to list the reasons I would not vote for Barack Obama in the next election.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Times News.

“Try Reuters.”

Since: Mar 07

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#70949 Dec 10, 2012
-Dont Panic- wrote:
A far right wing tea bag republican votes against a man, utter slanderous lies about that man, his actions, his race, his upbringing, his nationality, his education, his sexuality, his spouse, his children, his friendships, his beliefs, and his accomplishments non stop for four long years, then expect everyone to take them serious when they create a thread on a public forum titled: "The President has failed us".
Was this thread ever intended to be a topic of debate? Or, was the intent of the creator of this thread to create a thread where he/she could argue and fight with anyone who disagreed the the statement "The President has failed us"?
I say it was the latter. What say you?
Keep it nice, use your own words and NO FIGHTING!
I agree. I assumed the thread was created to libel and slander the President, and since I was sick and tired of reading lies and slander about the man and had decided to vote for him, I thought I'd come argue with the Obama haters by pointing out the inaccuracies of their perspectives where I believed I could.

Besides, it was either put Obama's tenure in perspective with what he inherited and what is happening elsewhere in the world, or get behind the opposition - a flip-flopping shill for globalists and the elite who simply couldn't concern himself with anybody who wasn't in the club of well-heeled Americans. No contest;-)

Since: Jun 10

San Francisco, CA

#70950 Dec 10, 2012
positronium wrote:
<quoted text>Oh but I'm not. I just winked and agreed with another poster was all. Deal with it and move on.
You "agreed with another poster" who accused me of being a "sock." It was a lie then and it's still a lie. YOU deal with the fact that you're a liar and move on, POS.

Oh but you are a liar.

This isn't the first time you have accused me of being a "sock" or using "socks." And it's a lie.

Do you like being lied about, POSEY?

People with integrity generally don't.

Vorenus

“Tutte le strade portano a Roma”

Since: Nov 09

Mount Vesuvius

#70951 Dec 10, 2012
A lot of posters on these threads have been saying this all along......

The single biggest sytory of 2012




By DYLAN BYERS
12/10/12 4:11 PM EST

The Huffington Post's Dan Froomkin takes a big swipe at "the mainstream media" today, accusing all involved of having "bungled the single biggest story of the 2012 campaign" -- "Namely, the radical right-wing, off-the-rails lurch of the Republican Party, both in terms of its agenda and its relationship to the truth."

Froomkin hooks his piece to the arguments of Thomas Mann and Norman Ornstein, who spent the 2012 campaign making this very point and combatting the "false equivalency" the media has created between Republicans and Democrats for the sake of "balance." In fact, Mann and Ornstein argue, the Republicans have become far more conservative than Democrats have become liberal, redefining the center. More to the point, some Republicans have lied and manipulated facts.

If Mann and Ornstein's argument sounds familiar, that's because you may have read similar arguments months ago in the pages of POLITICO:


“Steadily the moderates have all disappeared,” Poole said.“The moderate Southern Democrats were replaced by Republicans and then, one by one, the moderate Republicans were replaced either by Democrats or conservative Republicans.”

Poole and research partner Howard Rosenthal of New York University have written that Republicans have become more conservative faster than Democrats have become more liberal.

“The Republican Party has been steadily moving to the right since the 1970s,” Poole said.“The Republicans have moved about three times the speed to the right as the Democrats have moved to the left."

...or The New Yorker:


Polarization also has affected the two parties differently. The Republican Party has drifted much farther to the right than the Democratic Party has drifted to the left. Jacob Hacker, a professor at Yale, whose 2006 book,“Off Center,” documented this trend, told me, citing Poole and Rosenthal’s data on congressional voting records, that, since 1975,“Senate Republicans moved roughly twice as far to the right as Senate Democrats moved to the left” and “House Republicans moved roughly six times as far to the right as House Democrats moved to the left.” In other words, the story of the past few decades is asymmetric polarization.

Two well-known Washington political analysts, Thomas Mann, of the bipartisan Brookings Institution, and Norman Ornstein, of the conservative American Enterprise Institute, agree. In a forthcoming book about Washington dysfunction,“It’s Even Worse Than It Looks,” they write,“One of our two major parties, the Republicans, has become an insurgent outlier—ideologically extreme, contemptuous of the inherited social and economic policy regime, scornful of compromise, unpersuaded by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science, and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition.”

But you get what Froomkin's saying, right? He's not saying no one covered it. He's just saying, the mainstream media didn't turn it into a front-page story, a cause, an issue to trump the day-to-day horserace coverage wherein the media reported on what politicians said.

More to the point, Froomkin takes issue with the media reporting what politicians said without holding them accountable to fact. Never mind that a presidential campaign has never seen so many fact-checking organizations. Citing Mann and Ornstein, Froomkin argues that "fact-checking made things worse" -- because POLITICIANS IGNORED FACT-CHECKERS, and because even fact-checkers felt obliged to show balance.

If only the media had called attention to the lies!... like they did almost unanimously when Mitt Romney made that "inaccurate auto ad" (Time), made claims about Obama shredding welfare reform that were "wrong" (CNN), or made the "somewhat misleading claim" that Obama cut $716 billion out of Medicare (L.A. Times).

Since: Feb 07

Puerto Rico

#70952 Dec 10, 2012
positronium wrote:
<quoted text>And I am again going to repeat what I said originally in the first place long ago. EVERYBODY is a liar to some degree. That is the REAL logic.
That isn't logic. That's an opinion. Some people actually consistently choose to tell the truth, regardless of consequences, rather than living with having told a lie. Get some new friends.

Ghost Rider was one of the most prolific liars ever to post on this forum, and even HE didn't trust you. Liars lack integrity.

Since: Jun 10

San Francisco, CA

#70953 Dec 10, 2012
Ralff wrote:
<quoted text>
No way! Jack, rose and NTR are PREFECT! Get used to it!
Lol!
Words of a four-year-old girl.

Just add "Neener, neener, neener" to your stupid comments why don't you?

“Try Reuters.”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#70954 Dec 10, 2012
JackMcIntosh wrote:
<quoted text>
$7,300 per dose, once a month, for life...and that's just one of many medicines you need.
How ya payin' for that ralff?
Now, before you go off on one of your tangents, you're right, it's none of my business how you pay for your medicines, but here's the point...
One way or another, the rest of us are going to be picking up the tab for the life saving medicines you need but can't afford.
Not a problem as far as I'm concerned, but it puts all that republican primary talk about "if they can't afford the care they need let them die" crap in a whole new light doesn't it?
You made the right choice voting for Obama.
:)
Now, if only he could stop talking smack about the man and his policies which policies stand between himself and death (maybe too strong a word, but not at all implausible).

“Extremely me”

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#70955 Dec 10, 2012
positronium wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, Jack. I winked and agreed with another poster and you are discussing me instead of the failure Obama as per the topic and making me the subject of your drama.
"...you are discussing me instead of the failure Obama as per the topic and making me the subject of your drama."

And who was this "Jack" that you and ralff were just discussing?

Is he the subject of this thread or are you just a complete hypocrite?

Dweeb.

:)

“Take a deep breath”

Since: Dec 12

Let it out

#70956 Dec 10, 2012
American Lady wrote:
<quoted text>
I have HAD/WILL have MORE ...
To AGREE with the "sentiment" of the poster ...
obama HAS FAILED US ...
And "I" will continue putting INFO on here to PROVE iT !!!...
Is THAT "nice" enuf ??? ;0)
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.
.
.
.
.
May as WELL be w/ME ...
Cause I'm gonna DO IT !!!:0)
Unless I'm "banned" ...~_^
So you agree this thread was created as a lure to a fight? Or, Do you believe this thread was created as a place to debate?

I couldn't tell by the answer you gave.

I already suspected that you agreed with the title of the thread. As far as the links you post being "Proof" ... that is debatable.

All I'm saying is since you never voted for President Obama in the first place he could not have "Failed" you. The candidate that lost "Failed" you.

I voted for President Obama both times. I don't believe he has "Failed" me. He has lived up to all my expectations. I would have liked it more had he shoved everything in his agenda down the throats of the republican party back in 2009 while his party held a majority in both houses, but I do understand the concept of reaching accross the isle.

Since: Jun 10

San Francisco, CA

#70957 Dec 10, 2012
Vorenus wrote:
A lot of posters on these threads have been saying this all along......
The single biggest sytory of 2012
By DYLAN BYERS
12/10/12 4:11 PM EST
The Huffington Post's Dan Froomkin takes a big swipe at "the mainstream media" today, accusing all involved of having "bungled the single biggest story of the 2012 campaign" -- "Namely, the radical right-wing, off-the-rails lurch of the Republican Party, both in terms of its agenda and its relationship to the truth."
Froomkin hooks his piece to the arguments of Thomas Mann and Norman Ornstein, who spent the 2012 campaign making this very point and combatting the "false equivalency" the media has created between Republicans and Democrats for the sake of "balance." In fact, Mann and Ornstein argue, the Republicans have become far more conservative than Democrats have become liberal, redefining the center. More to the point, some Republicans have lied and manipulated facts.
If Mann and Ornstein's argument sounds familiar, that's because you may have read similar arguments months ago in the pages of POLITICO:
“Steadily the moderates have all disappeared,” Poole said.“The moderate Southern Democrats were replaced by Republicans and then, one by one, the moderate Republicans were replaced either by Democrats or conservative Republicans.”
Poole and research partner Howard Rosenthal of New York University have written that Republicans have become more conservative faster than Democrats have become more liberal.
“The Republican Party has been steadily moving to the right since the 1970s,” Poole said.“The Republicans have moved about three times the speed to the right as the Democrats have moved to the left."
...or The New Yorker:
Polarization also has affected the two parties differently. The Republican Party has drifted much farther to the right than the Democratic Party has drifted to the left. Jacob Hacker, a professor at Yale, whose 2006 book,“Off Center,” documented this trend, told me, citing Poole and Rosenthal’s data on congressional voting records, that, since 1975,“Senate Republicans moved roughly twice as far to the right as Senate Democrats moved to the left” and “House Republicans moved roughly six times as far to the right as House Democrats moved to the left.” In other words, the story of the past few decades is asymmetric polarization.
Two well-known Washington political analysts, Thomas Mann, of the bipartisan Brookings Institution, and Norman Ornstein, of the conservative American Enterprise Institute, agree. In a forthcoming book about Washington dysfunction,“It’s Even Worse Than It Looks,” they write,“One of our two major parties, the Republicans, has become an insurgent outlier—ideologically extreme, contemptuous of the inherited social and economic policy regime, scornful of compromise, unpersuaded by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science, and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition.”
But you get what Froomkin's saying, right? He's not saying no one covered it. He's just saying, the mainstream media didn't turn it into a front-page story, a cause, an issue to trump the day-to-day horserace coverage wherein the media reported on what politicians said.
More to the point, Froomkin takes issue with the media reporting what politicians said without holding them accountable to fact. Never mind that a presidential campaign has never seen so many fact-checking organizations. Citing Mann and Ornstein, Froomkin argues that "fact-checking made things worse" -- because POLITICIANS IGNORED FACT-CHECKERS, and because even fact-checkers felt obliged to show balance.
If only the media had called attention to the lies!... like they did almost unanimously when Mitt Romney made that "inaccurate auto ad" (Time), made claims about Obama shredding welfare reform that were "wrong" (CNN), or made the "somewhat misleading claim" that Obama cut $716 billion out of Medicare (L.A. Times).
Brilliant expose, V.

“Gloria Ad Caput Venire”

Since: Jan 08

Trump 2016 and beyond

#70958 Dec 10, 2012
Ralff wrote:
<quoted text>
Its been quite awhile since he has been worthy of debate or to associate with.
Yes he's quite kweer for a gay person.

“Extremely me”

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#70959 Dec 10, 2012
PRJester wrote:
<quoted text>
That isn't logic. That's an opinion. Some people actually consistently choose to tell the truth, regardless of consequences, rather than living with having told a lie. Get some new friends.
Ghost Rider was one of the most prolific liars ever to post on this forum, and even HE didn't trust you. Liars lack integrity.
Uhmmmm...LOL....yeah, posit kind of blames me for "blowing his cover" on that little escapade.

Since: Jun 10

San Francisco, CA

#70960 Dec 10, 2012
V,

I've been observing that very thing for quite some time now, and it's been especially apparent on these threads with the microcosm representation we have of Republican and Democratic posters.

The Republican/conservative group has become much more extreme, virulent, abusive, and hostile in their comments over the last several years. It shows in their political comments as well as personal attacks.

I think it's desperation and the fear they have of becoming extinct as a viable Party. An ideology or political party in its death throes is fighting for its life, and that's when it gets the most extreme and aggressive in my opinion.

There is sure to be much more written on this as the Republicans work to re-define who they are as a Party and what their policies are. They're already admitting they have to change course on the Immigration issue if they want to attract Hispanic voters.

Since: Jun 10

San Francisco, CA

#70961 Dec 10, 2012
positronium wrote:
<quoted text> Yes he's quite kweer for a gay person.
What a nasty piece of work you are.

“Gloria Ad Caput Venire”

Since: Jan 08

Trump 2016 and beyond

#70962 Dec 10, 2012
Reality Check wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama is doing a fine job.
How?

“Extremely me”

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#70963 Dec 10, 2012
positronium wrote:
<quoted text> Yes he's quite kweer for a gay person.
This "kweer" you speak of...is he the subject of this thread?

;)

Ralff

“United We Stand”

Since: Dec 11

Divided We Fall

#70964 Dec 10, 2012
Republican Honey wrote:
<quoted text>
Many arrogant people have a false charm that no one seems to see through. But the arrogant person is usually more than happy to show their cruel side to those that they don't like.
When they are cruel, their friends will usually ignore it or not do anything to stop it since they're afraid that they'll be treated badly by their 'friend.'
http://www.wikihow.com/Detect-Arrogant-People
Interesting. I'll see if I recognize it in anyone tonight.

Since: Jun 10

San Francisco, CA

#70965 Dec 10, 2012
positronium wrote:
<quoted text>How?
He's President of the United States and in his second term.

You're not.

“Extremely me”

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#70966 Dec 10, 2012
positronium wrote:
<quoted text>How?
Well, he did save ralff's sister's life.

You got a problem with that?

Ralff

“United We Stand”

Since: Dec 11

Divided We Fall

#70967 Dec 10, 2012
positronium wrote:
<quoted text>It seemed to me that he was once ok but it also seems to me that he has deteriorated since. IMO a real shame as I expected much more originally. That's life though.
My observation as well. Same for NTR.

Ralff

“United We Stand”

Since: Dec 11

Divided We Fall

#70968 Dec 10, 2012
American Lady wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sorry to hear that :(
Had no idea you were sick ... <3
Nothin' much, just a kidney transplant.

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