CO2 A "Not Guilty" Verdict?

CO2 A "Not Guilty" Verdict?

There are 22 comments on the Marine News story from Oct 12, 2012, titled CO2 A "Not Guilty" Verdict?. In it, Marine News reports that:

Governments of the world continue to encroach with increasingly stringent emission legislation of the in no way scientifically proven debate creating a situation that puts vessel owners and operators of engine driven transport equipments of all kinds under growing legal and financial burden.

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“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#1 Oct 13, 2012
No worries, all the extra costs will be borne by good old Joe public, as it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, arfeckin men.
litesong

Everett, WA

#2 Oct 13, 2012
steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling wrote:
all.....will be borne by good....
All the slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pigisms will be borne by bad 'steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling'.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#3 Oct 13, 2012
Says who?

A journalist in an online industry rag?

Every scientific academy on the planet says warming is real, we're responsible and we need to do something about it.

Guilty.
Fun Facts

Ruidoso, NM

#4 Oct 13, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
No worries, all the extra costs will be borne by good old Joe public, as it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, arfeckin men.
And John and Susie Q. What is so hard about understanding that any corporation that pays addditional costs, pays those cost from the revenue received from sales of their product.

If the cost to produce a product goes up then the price paid for the product will go up. The end consumer always pays for the increased cost of producing the product.
litesong

Everett, WA

#5 Oct 13, 2012
fun farts wrote:
What is so hard about understanding.....
What is so hard about understanding that 'steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling' is a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig.
SpaceBlues

United States

#6 Oct 13, 2012
The Seasonal Ice Zone Reconnaissance Surveys take repeated ocean, ice and atmospheric measurements in the Beaufort and Chukchi Seas, north and west of Alaska. The researchers are studying the impact of the lack of ice cover. For instance, ocean surface temperature can be 5 or 6 degrees warmer without ice. Because there’s no ice to block solar radiation, the layer of warmer water extends deeper and that affects circulation patterns and slows the growth of ice during the winter. Changes in the ocean surface temperatures can also have profound effect on the atmosphere and changes in the temperature, humidity and cloud cover can in turn affect how fast sea ice melts or grows.

http://summitcountyvoice.com/2012/10/04/globa...
litesong

Everett, WA

#7 Oct 13, 2012
While the Maritime Industry says how 'little' CO2 they produce, the article doesn't mention bunker fuel at all, but this article does:

http://aviewfromthehook.blogspot.com/2012/01/...

From the article:

"the ongoing use of bunker fuel is also one of the most appalling public health scandals in the world. Bunker fuel, when burned, produces an olio of airborne chemicals, including sulfur oxide, that have been linked with acid rain, asthma, and lung infections. In 2009 James Corbett, a University of Delaware expert on ship emissions, calculated that 64,000 residents of port cities die every year of bunker fuel-related ailments; in 2012, Corbett predicted, that number will rise to 87,000."
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Of course, the soot mentioned, in a weak effort to reduce CO2 AGW effects, is not mentioned in bunker fuel's terrible emissions.
Truly, this is an industry cover-up article at its miserable worst.
SpaceBlues

United States

#8 Oct 13, 2012
Agreed. tina might read it for fun.
YouHelpFixIt

Nottingham, MD

#9 Oct 13, 2012
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
All the slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pigisms will be borne by bad 'steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling'.
You are babbling again.
litesong

Everett, WA

#10 Oct 13, 2012
litesong wrote:
All the slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pigisms will be borne by bad 'steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling'.
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ihelpbustit wrote:
You are babbling again.
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litesong wrote:
ihelpbustit defends a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig, again, which again makes ihelpbustit a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig.
PHD

Houston, TX

#11 Oct 14, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
No worries, all the extra costs will be borne by good old Joe public, as it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, arfeckin men.
Well if you would have used protection and made frequent visit to your care giver you wouldn't need free entitlements. Yes we are tired of the extra cost as you say "Joe public".Also arfeckin men well that's why your are the commander of useless babble tainted with hate covered with spam cut and paste hot air.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#12 Oct 14, 2012
FuGyou wrote:
Every scientific academy on the planet says warming is real, we're responsible and we need to do something about it.
Guilty.
Your guilty plea has been accepted and considered.
I'm sad to inform you that death is the only sentence which can be imposed upon you by this court.
I hereby sentence you to a natural death that will take place at an unknown time in the future.
If an unnatural death should befall you before that time arrives, you will earn 50 demerit points.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#13 Oct 14, 2012
Fun Facts wrote:
And John and Susie Q. What is so hard about understanding that any corporation that pays addditional costs, pays those cost from the revenue received from sales of their product.
If the cost to produce a product goes up then the price paid for the product will go up. The end consumer always pays for the increased cost of producing the product.
You seem to forget, we're not dealing with intelligent beings here at Topix.
Ö¿Ö
litesong

Everett, WA

#14 Oct 15, 2012
steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling wrote:
we're not dealing with intelligent beings here at topix....
.......says, "steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling"], who is 'earthling has no brain'.
PHD

Houston, TX

#15 Oct 15, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>You seem to forget, we're not dealing with intelligent beings here at Topix.
Ö¿Ö
No we encounter your useless babbel tainted with hate covered with spam cut and paste hot air daily. Now we know your the commander of the less than intelligence it on topix. Have you seen your care giver today?

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#16 Oct 15, 2012
Fun Facts wrote:
<quoted text>
And John and Susie Q. What is so hard about understanding that any corporation that pays addditional costs, pays those cost from the revenue received from sales of their product.
If the cost to produce a product goes up then the price paid for the product will go up. The end consumer always pays for the increased cost of producing the product.
Of course they do. It is all part of doing business.

Of course if the cost of doing business in one country becomes to great then it becomes more profitable to move to another where the cost of doing business is less.

It is funny how liberals forget that businesses and money can move and will move if life in one location becomes to hard. And in the process they cause the very damage they claim they want to stop.
litesong

Everett, WA

#17 Oct 15, 2012
litesong wrote:
Arctic sea ice extent is greater than the lowest minimum of 3 years recorded, either by satellite or submarine data, at 5,113,594 km2 (October 13, 2012), the day's rate reducing to Ohio sized growth. The sun has been unseen from the North Pole for ~3 weeks, temperatures above the 80th parallel fluctuating down to minus 17 degC(lower than this date, 2007 & other recent years), & temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean as low as -14 to -20 degC.

Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.
Yes, the Arctic sea ice VOLUME is disappearing, year to year, quicker than the Arctic sea ice extent.
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litesong continues:
Presently, Arctic sea ice extent is above the next lowest three years' minimum Arctic sea ice extent, at 5,265,781 km2 (October 14, 2012), this day's brisk sea ice rate increasing to that of the area of Georgia. Temperatures above the 80th parallel average minus 17 degC, the past week's temperatures below the same week of 2007 & other recent years. Many temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean are as low as -14 to -20degC.
Arctic ice pack is closer to the Russian islands, Franz Joseph Land & Svalbard. Sea ice is strongly developing around the islands(connecting one set of Russian islands to the mainland).

A detail noted 5 days ago is a raggy taggy developing edge along a part of the semi-circle, possibly NOT coincidental with the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS (plus?) OF SQUARE KILOMETERS, of waters north of Alaska & Siberia that are VASTLY CLEAR. Might the raggy taggy edge indicate huge turbulence & currents in this largest(ever?) ice free, & resulting southerly-directed heat stratified Arctic waters? I wonder if there might develop more raggy taggy edging, enough to form a swirl pattern? Such a vast swirl at such a huge scale would be impossible...... wouldn't it?
Four days ago, noted near the raggy taggy ice pack, have developed 3 tiny pixel ice floes(arced?), separated from the Arctic ice pack toward southerly directions. Three days ago, the number of ice floes increased to 8 & indeed they formed an ARC. Pretty sure they represent a large scale vortex in open Arctic water!

Almost all large region southerly Arctic waters, including the Northeast passage, & waters north of mentioned islands remain ice free. Bulging southward sea ice at the west end of the Northwest Passage blocks the Northwest Passage. Internal Passage icing increases.

Downwellings in unusual clear Arctic waters, normally sea ice covered in decades past, for three months plus have & even now still transport extra solar energy to continental shelf, Arctic Ocean & sea depths.
litesong

Everett, WA

#18 Oct 21, 2012
litesong wrote:
Bunker fuel, when burned, produces..... sulfur oxide, that have been linked with acid rain, asthma, and lung infections.
Mark Z. Jacobson
Scientific Background

In 1993, he developed the world’s fastest ordinary differential equation solver..... and applied it to atmospheric chemistry problems. His group’s 2005 development of the world’s first wind map......the siting of several proposed wind farms.....his group have further studied the effects absorbing organic aerosols (brown carbon) on UV and visible radiation, aerosols on ozone, winds, and precipitation; biomass burning on climate; hydrogen fuel cell vehicles on air quality and stratospheric ozone; ethanol and diesel vehicles on air quality; agriculture on air pollution; aircraft on climate; urban surfaces on climate; and combining renewable energy on ensuring grid reliability. To date, he has published two textbooks of two editions each, published over 125 peer-reviewed journal articles.... He has testified three times for the U.S. Congress. His paper,“Review of energy solutions to global warming, air pollution, and energy security,”..... is the top all-time-accessed paper as of July 2012 in the journal Energy and Environmental Sciences.
SpaceBlues

United States

#19 Oct 21, 2012
Correction, litesong, before the deniers catch you <sarcasm>

sulfur dioxide, not sufur oxide.
PHD

Houston, TX

#20 Oct 22, 2012
tina anne wrote:
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Of course they do. It is all part of doing business.
Of course if the cost of doing business in one country becomes to great then it becomes more profitable to move to another where the cost of doing business is less.
It is funny how liberals forget that businesses and money can move and will move if life in one location becomes to hard. And in the process they cause the very damage they claim they want to stop.
Well there you have it folks the Less than a Box of Rocks again shows it’s a product of one child left behind program.

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