Commentary: Global warming gains some believers

Nov 4, 2012 Full story: The Town Talk 30

DES MOINES, Iowa -- Even those who don't believe in global warming are now forced to acknowledge its power.

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SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#1 Nov 4, 2012
Global warming gains some believers despite Romney:

http://climatecrocks.com/2012/11/04/mitt-i-ne...
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#2 Nov 4, 2012
There's no more denying climate change

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/denying-cl...
Ronald

Long Beach, CA

#3 Nov 4, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
There's no more denying climate change
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/denying-cl...
SpaceBlues.

How true. In less superstitious times, even the cave men knew cyclical climate change was an essential component of natural earth processes. In fact, they didn't even need huckstering pro-increased tax proponents and high paid "anti-taxpayer" Government agent teachers to teach them that easily observable truth.

Ronald
responder

Columbus, OH

#5 Nov 5, 2012
Global Warming is not a "belief." It's a strongly-supported scientific hypothesis.

Those who politicize it consider it a "belief" and use all the anti-scientific techniques one expects of creationists and flat-earthers. "It's only a theory/hypothesis," "climate has changed throughout history," "can't prove it," "didn't it used to be COOLING?" and my personal favorite, "blame it on Al Gore."
responder

Columbus, OH

#6 Nov 5, 2012
Ronald wrote:
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SpaceBlues.
How true. In less superstitious times, even the cave men knew cyclical climate change was an essential component of natural earth processes. In fact, they didn't even need huckstering pro-increased tax proponents and high paid "anti-taxpayer" Government agent teachers to teach them that easily observable truth.
Ronald
We don't need far-Right partisan political types, ideologues, pro-big-energy proponents and anti-tax fanatics telling us that science ain't science either, Ronnie bay-bee.:)
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#7 Nov 5, 2012
Speakng of beliefs .. here's Robin Ince:

Ronald

Long Beach, CA

#8 Nov 5, 2012
responder wrote:
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We don't need far-Right partisan political types, ideologues, pro-big-energy proponents and anti-tax fanatics telling us that science ain't science either, Ronnie bay-bee.:)
responder.

Exactly! Climate change preceded the Godless "Liberal" tax and control-masters by untold millions of years. They flatter themselves to no end. Aren't they the same elderly 60s 70s era people *(aka "the hairless ones")* who make claims to have "discovered sex"? These unregenerate old folks seem to be setting a pattern. What will they dream up next?

Ronald
responder

Columbus, OH

#9 Nov 5, 2012
Ronald wrote:
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responder.
Exactly! Climate change preceded the Godless "Liberal" tax and control-masters by untold millions of years. They flatter themselves to no end. Aren't they the same elderly 60s 70s era people *(aka "the hairless ones")* who make claims to have "discovered sex"? These unregenerate old folks seem to be setting a pattern. What will they dream up next?
Ronald
I'm beginning to think you're parodying far Right/Denier thinking there, Ronnie...:)
responder

Columbus, OH

#10 Nov 5, 2012
Denierism is the "belief" here, clearly. Not only is it not supported by evidence (it's simply a FACT that Earth is warming, and man's involvement is hardly unsupported by facts), it's based in partisan politics and Conservative ideology, and at one end of the spectrum, even in the beliefs of the Religious Right.

Denierism = Superstition
Ronald

Long Beach, CA

#11 Nov 5, 2012
responder wrote:
Denierism is the "belief" here, clearly. Not only is it not supported by evidence (it's simply a FACT that Earth is warming, and man's involvement is hardly unsupported by facts), it's based in partisan politics and Conservative ideology, and at one end of the spectrum, even in the beliefs of the Religious Right.
Denierism = Superstition
responder.

Yes. "Denierism" grew out of Freudian psychology. Even his most enthusiastic disciples admit Freud was a quack and a fraud.

The earth has warmed and cooled millions of times throughout its history. Political hucksters would have us believe that "global warming" will result in "climate change" *(DUH!)

Big Government has unlimited amounts of hard earned taxpayer money to conduct every conceivable "scientific study" in its expensive taxpayer funded Government controlled universities. It can foist any kind of "scientific findings" on a gullible public that it might desire. Invariably, the objective of those "scientific findings" is increased taxation and Government control.

To be fair, and to bolster your argument, it must be admitted that "global warming" alarmists are no less "scientific" in their approach than are the "secondhand smoke" hysterics who claim "scientific validity" for their claims that thousands, no, millions *(or it it billions?)* of innocent little Asthmatic children are dying from "secondhand smoke".*(less, of course, those deaths that may be attributed to "the Haitian Voodoo effect")*

Ronald
3OHA

San Jose, CA

#12 Nov 5, 2012
"Because they have forsaken Me, and have estranged this place, and have burned incense in it unto other gods, whom neither they nor their fathers have known, nor the kings of Judah, and have filled this place with the blood of innocents; They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into My mind: Therefore, behold the days come, saith the LORD, that this place shall no more be call Tophet, nor The valley of the son of Hinnom, but The valley of slaughter."

Jeremiah 19:4-6
responder

Columbus, OH

#13 Nov 6, 2012
Ronald wrote:
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responder.
Yes. "Denierism" grew out of Freudian psychology. Even his most enthusiastic disciples admit Freud was a quack and a fraud.
The earth has warmed and cooled millions of times throughout its history. Political hucksters would have us believe that "global warming" will result in "climate change" *(DUH!)
Big Government has unlimited amounts of hard earned taxpayer money to conduct every conceivable "scientific study" in its expensive taxpayer funded Government controlled universities. It can foist any kind of "scientific findings" on a gullible public that it might desire. Invariably, the objective of those "scientific findings" is increased taxation and Government control.
To be fair, and to bolster your argument, it must be admitted that "global warming" alarmists are no less "scientific" in their approach than are the "secondhand smoke" hysterics who claim "scientific validity" for their claims that thousands, no, millions *(or it it billions?)* of innocent little Asthmatic children are dying from "secondhand smoke".*(less, of course, those deaths that may be attributed to "the Haitian Voodoo effect")*
Ronald
You're a comedy genius! Thanks for the laughs...great satire!

;)
responder

Columbus, OH

#14 Nov 6, 2012
3OHA wrote:
"Because they have forsaken Me, and have estranged this place, and have burned incense in it unto other gods, whom neither they nor their fathers have known, nor the kings of Judah, and have filled this place with the blood of innocents; They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into My mind: Therefore, behold the days come, saith the LORD, that this place shall no more be call Tophet, nor The valley of the son of Hinnom, but The valley of slaughter."
Jeremiah 19:4-6
Nuts. Cluelesss. Offtopic.
Ronald

Long Beach, CA

#15 Nov 6, 2012
responder wrote:
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You're a comedy genius! Thanks for the laughs...great satire!
;)
responder.

I tell ye the truth. Should I tell ye again? As the Bible puts it:

"Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness." (John 3:11)

" If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?" (John 3:12)

Ronald
responder

Columbus, OH

#16 Nov 6, 2012
Ronald wrote:
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responder.
I tell ye the truth. Should I tell ye again? As the Bible puts it:
"Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness." (John 3:11)
" If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?" (John 3:12)
Ronald
LOL...stop, you're KILLIN' me!:)
Ronald

Long Beach, CA

#17 Nov 6, 2012
responder wrote:
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LOL...stop, you're KILLIN' me!:)
responder.

Climate change records have been compiled since ancient times. "Global warming" and associated climate change is nothing new. According to ancient climatic change records:

"And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth." (Genesis 7:6)

"And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood." (Genesis 7:7)

The basic nature of people does not change. Just as residents of New York City and Hoboken failed to heed warnings of impending doom, going about their daily pleasures, so too did "the voting majority" of ancient times. Expanding upon the historical record, those who compiled evidence of climate change in ancient times recorded thus:

"And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many." (Matthew 24:11)

"And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold." (Matthew 24:12)

"But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." (Matthew 24:37)

"For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark," (Matthew 24:38)

"And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." (Matthew 24:39)

Ronald
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#18 Nov 6, 2012
Ronald wrote:
<quoted text>
SpaceBlues.
How true. In less superstitious times, even the cave men knew cyclical climate change was an essential component of natural earth processes. In fact, they didn't even need huckstering pro-increased tax proponents and high paid "anti-taxpayer" Government agent teachers to teach them that easily observable truth.
Ronald
Ronald.

I'm speechless in front of the depth and the breadth of your coverage. Don't you find the observable truth rather fickle?

SpaceBlues
Ronald

Long Beach, CA

#19 Nov 6, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
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Ronald.
I'm speechless in front of the depth and the breadth of your coverage. Don't you find the observable truth rather fickle?
SpaceBlues
SpaceBlues.

Yes. Thank you for your support. In the annals of weather, nothing is more certain than change. Global warming tax and control-masters hate even that very thought.

Ronald
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#20 Nov 6, 2012
ronald wrote:
" If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?"
If God, thru science, tells you what's hap'ning & ya believe NOT, ya just got no science or mathematics background.

Its funny. It was Christians in the western world that showed how science & mathematics demonstrated the better ways to view the Universe. However, a goodly number of uneducated christians, feeding at the hog troughs of energy, coal, oil, & business radio, TV & website media, now deny science..... & self-righteously use scripture in bizarre fashion to support money, suppression, & stupidity.
responder

Columbus, OH

#21 Nov 7, 2012
litesong wrote:
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If God, thru science, tells you what's hap'ning & ya believe NOT, ya just got no science or mathematics background.
Its funny. It was Christians in the western world that showed how science & mathematics demonstrated the better ways to view the Universe. However, a goodly number of uneducated christians, feeding at the hog troughs of energy, coal, oil, & business radio, TV & website media, now deny science..... & self-righteously use scripture in bizarre fashion to support money, suppression, & stupidity.
You have to laugh, don't'cha?

I'm an agnostic, but I'd like to imagine God up there scratching his head and saying 'But I GAVE them intelligence and reason above all the other animals, I can't understand why they're so DUMB?!'

Heh

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