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Warming nears point of no return, scientists say

There are 57 comments on the SFGate story from Jun 7, 2012, titled Warming nears point of no return, scientists say. In it, SFGate reports that:

The Earth is reaching a "tipping point" in climate change that will lead to increasingly rapid and irreversible destruction of the global environment unless its forces are controlled by concerted international action, an international group of scientists warns.

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“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#1 Jun 7, 2012
Oh shite, yet another 'tipping point' from which there's no return.
LessHypeMoreFact

Concord, Canada

#2 Jun 8, 2012
Tipping points are a standard element of non-linear systems such as climate. Deal with it and grow up.

“Pair of Socks”

Since: Dec 06

.Beats an Ace High

#3 Jun 8, 2012









Tip of the Iceburg,..
Fun Facts

Owens Cross Roads, AL

#4 Jun 8, 2012
From the article

"The scientists concede there is "considerable uncertainty" that these forces will inevitably lead to such a rapid and radical transformation of the world's environment - a "state shift," as they call it - but they argue such a shift is "highly plausible" and may have already begun.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi... ;

"On the one hand, as scientists we are ethically bound to the scientific method, in effect promising to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but – which means that we must include all doubts, the caveats, the ifs, ands and buts. On the other hand, we are not just scientists but human beings as well. And like most people we’d like to see the world a better place, which in this context translates into our working to reduce the risk of potentially disastrous climate change. To do that we need to get some broad based support, to capture the public’s imagination. That, of course, means getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. This “double ethical bind” we frequently find ourselves in cannot be solved by any formula. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. I hope that means being both."

Dr Stephen Schneider, of Stanford University, is a well-respected climatologist who is also quite active in the media and politics.

It was pointed out in another thread that Dr Schneider is now deceased.
LessHypeMoreFact

Concord, Canada

#5 Jun 8, 2012
Fun Facts wrote:
From the article
"The scientists concede there is "considerable uncertainty" that these forces will inevitably lead to such a rapid and radical transformation of the world's environment - a "state shift," as they call it - but they argue such a shift is "highly plausible" and may have already begun.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi... ;
Gee. Scientists who state that their science is good but they cannot be absolute since forecasting is, by nature, uncertain?

What is your point? That scientists are HONEST about their trade while politicians and denialists are FANATICS that entertain NO doubts?

They keep discovering NEW data so there is always GOING to be some 'give and take' on the science.
http://www.tgdaily.com/sustainability-feature...
Fun Facts wrote:
"On the one hand, as scientists we are ethically bound to the scientific method, in effect promising to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but – which means that we must include all doubts, the caveats, the ifs, ands and buts. On the other hand, we are not just scientists but human beings as well. And like most people we’d like to see the world a better place, which in this context translates into our working to reduce the risk of potentially disastrous climate change. To do that we need to get some broad based support, to capture the public’s imagination. That, of course, means getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. This “double ethical bind” we frequently find ourselves in cannot be solved by any formula. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. I hope that means being both."
Dr Stephen Schneider, of Stanford University, is a well-respected climatologist who is also quite active in the media and politics.
It was pointed out in another thread that Dr Schneider is now deceased.
How to convey the essence without getting distracted by details. Hm. And your point is????
kal

Richland, WA

#6 Jun 8, 2012
Fun Facts wrote:
From the article
"The scientists concede there is "considerable uncertainty" that these forces will inevitably lead to such a rapid and radical transformation of the world's environment - a "state shift," as they call it - but they argue such a shift is "highly plausible" and may have already begun.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi... ;
"On the one hand, as scientists we are ethically bound to the scientific method, in effect promising to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but – which means that we must include all doubts, the caveats, the ifs, ands and buts. On the other hand, we are not just scientists but human beings as well. And like most people we’d like to see the world a better place, which in this context translates into our working to reduce the risk of potentially disastrous climate change. To do that we need to get some broad based support, to capture the public’s imagination. That, of course, means getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. This “double ethical bind” we frequently find ourselves in cannot be solved by any formula. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. I hope that means being both."
Dr Stephen Schneider, of Stanford University, is a well-respected climatologist who is also quite active in the media and politics.
It was pointed out in another thread that Dr Schneider is now deceased.
oh yes 'facts', it's funny that everything becomes even more dire and out of control almost but not quite at or near the 'tipping point' just days before another 'save the world beach party'. give us more free taxpayers grant money and we will give you our best, newest, whatif's and maybe's that we have been dreaming up.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#7 Jun 8, 2012
NobodyYouEverWantToKnow, alias:
LessFactMoreHype wrote:
Tipping points are a standard element of non-linear systems such as climate. Deal with it and grow up.
Did you have a point to make, Mr Undoubtably Spelt Fourty?

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#8 Jun 8, 2012
NobodyYouEverWantToKnow, alias:
LessFactMoreHype wrote:
Gee. Scientists who state that their science is good but they cannot be absolute since forecasting is, by nature, uncertain?
What is your point?
What part of "considerable uncertainty" are you having trouble understanding, Mr Undoubtably Spelt Fourty?
kal

Richland, WA

#9 Jun 8, 2012
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
<quoted text>
Gee. Scientists who state that their science is good but they cannot be absolute since forecasting is, by nature, uncertain?
What is your point? That scientists are HONEST about their trade while politicians and denialists are FANATICS that entertain NO doubts?
They keep discovering NEW data so there is always GOING to be some 'give and take' on the science.
http://www.tgdaily.com/sustainability-feature...
<quoted text>
How to convey the essence without getting distracted by details. Hm. And your point is????
oh 'hypemore', you are ever so right. there is nothing better than 'taking' free taxpayers grant money in exchange for 'giving' the newest world ending prophecy in the made up and fabricated world of catastropic climate change caused by man. the newest relevations are just in time for the heros of personkind annual 'save the world beach party' in sunny rio. is that good timing or what? the end of the world scenarios and the pleas for funding will bring a tear to even the most hardened snake oil salesmans eye.
Northie

Spokane, WA

#11 Jun 8, 2012
kal wrote:
<quoted text>oh 'hypemore', you are ever so right. there is nothing better than 'taking' free taxpayers grant money in exchange for 'giving' the newest world ending prophecy in the made up and fabricated world of catastropic climate change caused by man. the newest relevations are just in time for the heros of personkind annual 'save the world beach party' in sunny rio. is that good timing or what? the end of the world scenarios and the pleas for funding will bring a tear to even the most hardened snake oil salesmans eye.
An elderly teabagger railing at liberals and scientists from his home outside the Tri-Cities? Say it's not so!
kal

Richland, WA

#12 Jun 8, 2012
Northie wrote:
<quoted text>
An elderly teabagger railing at liberals and scientists from his home outside the Tri-Cities? Say it's not so!
actually 'northie', I live inside a home in the northern most part of mexico called the tri-cities and I never use teabags, I don't have any of those fancy little cups and saucers.
kal

Richland, WA

#13 Jun 8, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
Oh shite, yet another 'tipping point' from which there's no return.
oh yes 'earthling', tipping points. it's all so scientific.

http://hauntingthelibrary.wordpress.com/2012/...

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#14 Jun 9, 2012
kal wrote:
oh yes 'earthling', tipping points. it's all so scientific.
http://hauntingthelibrary.wordpress.com/2012/...
Nice find, kal, you're good at digging up he interesting stuff.
Let's hope a few of our alarmist friends bother to read it.
Fun Facts

Owens Cross Roads, AL

#15 Jun 9, 2012
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
<quoted text>
Gee. Scientists who state that their science is good but they cannot be absolute since forecasting is, by nature, uncertain?
What is your point? That scientists are HONEST about their trade while politicians and denialists are FANATICS that entertain NO doubts?
They keep discovering NEW data so there is always GOING to be some 'give and take' on the science.
http://www.tgdaily.com/sustainability-feature...
<quoted text>
How to convey the essence without getting distracted by details. Hm. And your point is????
Nobody Less, it's not possible for a thinking person to have missed the point of my post.

And the best part, I didn't really post anything. I just copied and pasted from the article and quote from an activist climate scientist.

I'm glad it bothered you, it was meant to do so.
Fun Facts

Owens Cross Roads, AL

#16 Jun 9, 2012
kal wrote:
<quoted text>oh yes 'facts', it's funny that everything becomes even more dire and out of control almost but not quite at or near the 'tipping point' just days before another 'save the world beach party'. give us more free taxpayers grant money and we will give you our best, newest, whatif's and maybe's that we have been dreaming up.
I agree.

It is somewhat counterintuitive to wish for disasters in order to create 'feel good' legislation.
Fun Facts

Owens Cross Roads, AL

#17 Jun 9, 2012
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
<quoted text>
How to convey the essence without getting distracted by details. Hm. And your point is????
Really? Did you bother to read what you posted?

"to convey the essence....." which means we can't show you anything empirical, we just want to convince you of our beliefs and we hope you will buy what we are selling even if we have no evidence (details) to back it up.

Was that your point? It is what you wrote. It is hard to accept that anyone would find science without details credible.
kal

Richland, WA

#18 Jun 9, 2012
Fun Facts wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree.
It is somewhat counterintuitive to wish for disasters in order to create 'feel good' legislation.
oh but 'facts', it seems to work quite well for some, though most of the feel good legislation is not good for everyone.
http://www.climatedepot.com/a/1893/Gore-US-Cl...

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#19 Jun 9, 2012
Tipping point is nothing more than a way to raise the level of hype. Tipping point continue to come and go with life rolling along.
IAmDigitap

Los Angeles, CA

#20 Jun 9, 2012
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
<quoted text>
Gee. Scientists who state that their science is good but they cannot be absolute since forecasting is, by nature, uncertain?
What is your point? That scientists are HONEST about their trade while politicians and denialists are FANATICS that entertain NO doubts?
They keep discovering NEW data so there is always GOING to be some 'give and take' on the science.
http://www.tgdaily.com/sustainability-feature...
<quoted text>
How to convey the essence without getting distracted by details. Hm. And your point is????
The PROBLEM IS, Y.E.W. SAW STEVEN (now joyfully, D.E.A.D.) Schneider's name and INSTANTLY

your MIND WENT TO THE S.H.E.L.L.A.C.K.I.N.G. YOU T.A.K.E.

EVERY
TIME
his
NAME
comes
UP

over his now L.E.G.E.N.D.A.R.I.L.Y. N.O.T.O.R.I.O.U.S. PAPER

the 'THE ANSWER IS BLOWIN IN THE WIND' paper.

You know: the one where the H.I.C.K. YEW THAWT WUZ REEL SMART

said HE DISCOVERED EVERY THERMAL SENSOR ON EARTH DEFECTIVE, but that ONLY HE and a few CLIMUhTAHlUhJISTS CUD TAYLE...
so he WROTE a PAPER on his LAPTOP

***OVERTHROWING THE LAWS OF INSTRUMENTATION YET AGAIN***
by
CALCULATING T.E.M.P.E.R.A.T.U.R.E. from WIND SPEED.

Yea THAT

Steven Schneider, the HICK who couldn't REED uH THERMOMETER and
THAWT HE WUZ ANUTHER WUN Uh thim..SMARTIST MINN IN thuH FLOCKTARD
WERLD.

At least according to AL GORE he was.
Then again AL GORE couldn't win an election against GEORGE BUSH.

Tsk...
IAmDigitap

Los Angeles, CA

#21 Jun 9, 2012
I guess i did just say 'legendarily notorious'

Well I hated that s.o.b. and I'm glad he's
d.

e.

a.

d.

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