Smilodon populator vs Arctodus simus vs Megatherium vs Kelenken guillermoi

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MStar

Houston, TX

#1 Aug 11, 2010
Probably the four fiercest Ice Age predators (if you count Megatherium as a predator/omnivore; I opt the latter); who do you think would win?
MStar

Houston, TX

#2 Aug 12, 2010
Seriously? No one?
mattking

Winnipeg, Canada

#3 Aug 12, 2010
Megatherium was the size of a elephant so it would win
MStar

Houston, TX

#4 Aug 12, 2010
mattking wrote:
Megatherium was the size of a elephant so it would win
Im not so sure; size DEFINITELY isnt everything.

Megatherium:

Advantages: Elephant sized, HUGE claws, massive strength, thick skin, shaggy and thick fur.

Disadvantages: Very slow, limited mobility, not-too-smart.

Arctodus:

Advantages: Very large, long and sharp claws, powerful jaws, massive strength, thick skin and some fat, thick fur, moderately fast.

Disadvantages: Tires somewhat easily, limited agility.

Smilodon:

Advantages: Highly muscular, deadliest dentistry, sharp claws, intelligence, uber-strong neck muscles, hightened senses.

Disadvantages: Weak jaws, tires somewhat easily, slow.

Kelenken:

Advantages: Fast, agile, very strong, powerful jaws, very powerful legs, large and sharp beak, large.

Disadvantages: Lightest build, low pain threshold, tripable.
mattking

Winnipeg, Canada

#5 Aug 13, 2010
This is a tough one but I can't see if the bear could kill the megatherium but I can't see megatherium catching the bear so I'm going to say the megatherium could be 50/50 with Smilodon populator because smilodon can come up behind megatherium and stab its teeth in him however it would be risky for one smilodon to come up close to the megatherium with kelenken would need to hit and run but i don't think the bird could do enough damage and the megatherium could kill the bird with one hit.

1)Arctodus simus

2)megatherium/Smilodon populator

3)kelenken
MStar

Houston, TX

#6 Aug 13, 2010
mattking wrote:
This is a tough one but I can't see if the bear could kill the megatherium but I can't see megatherium catching the bear so I'm going to say the megatherium could be 50/50 with Smilodon populator because smilodon can come up behind megatherium and stab its teeth in him however it would be risky for one smilodon to come up close to the megatherium with kelenken would need to hit and run but i don't think the bird could do enough damage and the megatherium could kill the bird with one hit.
1)Arctodus simus
2)megatherium/Smilodon populator
3)kelenken
I somewhat disagree.

I purposely picked out the Apex predators of before, after, and during the Ice Age that I thought were near-perfect and near-impossible to kill. They all balanced each other out. However, I see it as a 25/25/25/25% battle, and this is about other people's opinions, so I respect ur opinion :)
mattking

Winnipeg, Canada

#7 Aug 13, 2010
Thanks but the only reason I made that list is because this is a tough fight but the bear, cat, and sloth are almost 50/50 and the bird would not stand a chance of killing any of the other fighters
mattking

Winnipeg, Canada

#8 Aug 13, 2010
The bird could kill smilodon but smilodon has the upper hand with the bird because smilodon could simply slap the birds head off with its powerful arms so megatherium and short faced bear are one top with smilodon next and the bird in last.
MStar

Houston, TX

#9 Aug 13, 2010
I wouldnt be so sure.

Kelenken was possibly the largest of the "Terror Birds", or Phorusrhacidae. It had a beak bigger than a horses head, very powerful legs with sharp, strong claws, and the best speed of the four by far.

It had just as much killing potential as the other three, and could very well take down any of them.
mattking

Winnipeg, Canada

#10 Aug 13, 2010
It would not win against the powerful bear but could kill the the sloth because the sloth was slow but I think smilodon would crush the bird. Because smilodon populator weighed double what the bird did and has the advantage simply with raw power the bird would need to do a hit and run tactic to avoid getting injured and if smilodon got a hold on the bird it would be all over so the bird has a lot to risk against the other three more powerful fighters
MStar

Houston, TX

#11 Aug 13, 2010
mattking wrote:
It would not win against the powerful bear but could kill the the sloth because the sloth was slow but I think smilodon would crush the bird. Because smilodon populator weighed double what the bird did and has the advantage simply with raw power the bird would need to do a hit and run tactic to avoid getting injured and if smilodon got a hold on the bird it would be all over so the bird has a lot to risk against the other three more powerful fighters
To kill the bear:

Wait till its preoccupied, then begin hacking at its back and spine.

To kill the cat:

Wait till it comes close, then kick it in the head.

To kill the sloth:

Run up to sloth and hack into its neck, shoulders, and / or everything between before it has time to react.
Alternative Diplodocus

Milan, Italy

#12 Aug 14, 2010
Dudes, ss far i know, kelenken guillermoi is known ONLY from its 71.6 cm CRANIUM ALMOST complete and just 2 oda bones (tarsometatarsus and pedal phalanx). Da size estimate is just premature, and puttin it in a fight is premature AS HELL
Dats why its description has been not cited by ANY oda papa, although bertelli published it 3 years ago
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.1671/0272-46...

Naish said
"Given that Kelenken is presently only known from that awesome skull and from a few foot bones, we CAN'T make CONFIDENT statements about its size. Clearly - given that the skull is over 70 cm long - this was a big bird, with a standing height of over 2 m and a mass exceeding 160 kg. This makes it huge, but NOT as big as the biggest aepyornithids and dromornithids, some of which exceeded 300 or even 400 kg, apparently
http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2008/...
MStar

Houston, TX

#13 Aug 14, 2010
Alternative Diplodocus wrote:
Dudes, ss far i know, kelenken guillermoi is known ONLY from its 71.6 cm CRANIUM ALMOST complete and just 2 oda bones (tarsometatarsus and pedal phalanx). Da size estimate is just premature, and puttin it in a fight is premature AS HELL
Dats why its description has been not cited by ANY oda papa, although bertelli published it 3 years ago
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.1671/0272-46...
Naish said
"Given that Kelenken is presently only known from that awesome skull and from a few foot bones, we CAN'T make CONFIDENT statements about its size. Clearly - given that the skull is over 70 cm long - this was a big bird, with a standing height of over 2 m and a mass exceeding 160 kg. This makes it huge, but NOT as big as the biggest aepyornithids and dromornithids, some of which exceeded 300 or even 400 kg, apparently
http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2008/...
Still, we have plenty other phorusrascids to compare it with. That means that, even if it did have a disproportionally large head as some suggest, it would likely be bigger than Titanis or Phorusrascos, and though that does NOT make it the biggest flightless carnivorous bird, it was likely the most deadly.

Now, back on topic; who do u think would win and why?
person

San Francisco, CA

#14 Aug 14, 2010
megatherium wins 99/1. it was likely not as slow as hailed, and 1 swipe would kill any of the combatants.(except maybe arctodus, but it would still be crippling)
MStar

Houston, TX

#15 Aug 14, 2010
person wrote:
megatherium wins 99/1. it was likely not as slow as hailed, and 1 swipe would kill any of the combatants.(except maybe arctodus, but it would still be crippling)
WHAT?

1 swipe may cripple any of the combatants, but only an EXCEPTIONALLY strong and/or lucky one would kill any of them immediately (except maybe Kelenken, but I think the opposite is true as well), and it was a freaking elephant sized sloth. There is no way it would not be slow.
person

San Francisco, CA

#16 Aug 14, 2010
1 swipe could probably take off the kelenken's neck. if the kelenken stabbed the mega, no big deal, it won't do much. it may be elephant sized and a sloth, but i seriously doubt it's top speed was below 10 MPH.
MStar

Houston, TX

#17 Aug 14, 2010
person wrote:
1 swipe could probably take off the kelenken's neck. if the kelenken stabbed the mega, no big deal, it won't do much. it may be elephant sized and a sloth, but i seriously doubt it's top speed was below 10 MPH.
If Kelenken managed to hack into Megatherium's neck, head, or any sort of major blood supply, It would be a one-hit kill. And even if Mega COULD go 10, it would still be the slowest one.
person

San Francisco, CA

#18 Aug 14, 2010
i didn't deny that mega was the slowest, i just pointed out that it was faster than 2 MPH. if kelenken could manage to stab mega's head, dead mega. there is a catch to this, though. megatherium is 6m tall on 2 legs, while i HIGHLY doubt kelenken could push 4.
mattking

Gimli, Canada

#19 Aug 14, 2010
Kelekon would not have the power to kill the bear or sloth but keleken could kill the cat but the cat has the advantage I don't think kelekon would be a good predator of large prey but it could easily kill thing smaller then it i think the cat would win is because it was great at killing things larger then it self plus I don't think The bird could kill anything by stabing it with its beak but it would probably piss it off
person

San Francisco, CA

#20 Aug 14, 2010
there is really no competition for 1st place. giant anteaters can disembowl humans, so i`m pretty sure that the claws can do some damage....

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